Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

[Zorion]

Hmmm randomly came across this tread so of course i have not read most of the posts, surprised there is so many.... I just want to say of course a premade gives you an advantage in pvp but just because you q solo dose not mean everyone else cant q with there friends. It's not hard to find people to play with if you're in a guild and if you're not in one join one and not every premade is good it also depends on how good your team is, premades can get crushed if they get vs allot of good pugs. If they did q premades id say people would ofc quit not be able to q with there friends and really it would not help it's then complete luck if you win when anyone who q'es solo can get a premade if they wanna win. But no they would rather whine about it on a tread.

 

 

What some who "defend" premades seem to not get is that some of us want a pure non-ranked soloque.

We enjoy the more random-chaotic experience than the organized one.

 

However some people like myself just detest "ranked" since it gives it a "competition feel" and I'm here to have casual fun, not to "compete" if I wanted that I'd do MMA in rl instead of MMO.

 

Just that it gets too be very frustrating annoying goind my prefered queing, and not have my "will/choice" matter as its mared with powerquers on the other sided (2*4 man premades that rig the que to get into the same wz with 8 ppl)

 

Powerqueing is more viable/possible on small intrest pvp-servers like mine Ebon Hawk(rp).

Sure I can re-roll on say Po5 or other pvp-server, but then I have to deal with gankers while leveling up etc, and thats not my prefered style.

 

Ideally they would just go the way of other mmo's and give us xserver and true matchmakeing (like if there is a decent premade on 1 side the other should get one aswell)(this could be done by tracking the legacy max pvp ranked achived to give an estimation of how experienced the player is with wz's(not quality but something to measure by)

 

I just find steamrolling or getting steamrolled when I luck out if you may and join the good premades wz's.

Just aint fun for me.(and apperantly quite a few other subs).

Given that ESO is comeing out fairly soon months, Bioware may need to get more on the ball or I do sense that alot of others will join me and jump on that bandwagon and its promise for pvp with 3 factions, wz's with 100's of pp on either side. 1 gigaserver with all ppl, just sharded out.

(ESO was initally made on heroengine like TOR, but Eso scrapped hero due to its limitations wish Tor did the same..)

[fleshtaker]

so funny to see these cry babies sooking over premades

 

either deal with it or don't que its a mmo made for people to play together game is working as intended and no amount of crying is going to change that

 

if u leave can I hazz ya stuff

[fleshtaker]

What some who "defend" premades seem to not get is that some of us want a pure non-ranked soloque.

We enjoy the more random-chaotic experience than the organized one.

 

However some people like myself just detest "ranked" since it gives it a "competition feel" and I'm here to have casual fun, not to "compete" if I wanted that I'd do MMA in rl instead of MMO.

 

Just that it gets too be very frustrating annoying goind my prefered queing, and not have my "will/choice" matter as its mared with powerquers on the other sided (2*4 man premades that rig the que to get into the same wz with 8 ppl)

 

Powerqueing is more viable/possible on small intrest pvp-servers like mine Ebon Hawk(rp).

Sure I can re-roll on say Po5 or other pvp-server, but then I have to deal with gankers while leveling up etc, and thats not my prefered style.

 

Ideally they would just go the way of other mmo's and give us xserver and true matchmakeing (like if there is a decent premade on 1 side the other should get one aswell)(this could be done by tracking the legacy max pvp ranked achived to give an estimation of how experienced the player is with wz's(not quality but something to measure by)

 

I just find steamrolling or getting steamrolled when I luck out if you may and join the good premades wz's.

Just aint fun for me.(and apperantly quite a few other subs).

Given that ESO is comeing out fairly soon months, Bioware may need to get more on the ball or I do sense that alot of others will join me and jump on that bandwagon and its promise for pvp with 3 factions, wz's with 100's of pp on either side. 1 gigaserver with all ppl, just sharded out.

(ESO was initally made on heroengine like TOR, but Eso scrapped hero due to its limitations wish Tor did the same..)

 

someone like you has no place playing a mmo simple as that you will not like eso either mmos are for group play if you don't want competitive pvp go out side and hit a tree with a stick that's the type of pvp you are after

[fleshtaker]

one more thing id like to add if pugs actually tried to play properly and follow strats and work as a team people wouldn't have to premade but they don't as it is most games you have to carry the other 4 group pvp is mmo pvp plain and simple im not defending anyhitng its fact you play mmo's to play with other people if you don't want to group up and play with other people don't play mmo's very simple

[cashogy_reborn]

Comparing MMA to MMO PvP.... rofl

[t-darko]

one more thing id like to add if pugs actually tried to play properly and follow strats and work as a team people wouldn't have to premade but they don't as it is most games you have to carry the other 4 group pvp is mmo pvp plain and simple im not defending anyhitng its fact you play mmo's to play with other people if you don't want to group up and play with other people don't play mmo's very simple

 

Where does competitive pvp come in where as a team got 300 kills between them and the other 30 - got nothing to do with having fun, playing together - ranked 8 vs 8 went away because the likes of u think it's fun to gather up to Bully others rather then step up to a competitive pvp game. If u and the likes of u, had done what u were suppose to do - u been playing ranked 8 vs 8 by now, - in great numbers. Arenas is the Spawn from the Love For PUG Stomping ... so thank u for the brain dead first season of ranked pvp. And that fact have nothing to do with class balance, game mechanics or even a cross server option.

As far as I'm concern the Great Mistake here is that BW overestimated the level of intelligence of the kinds like u. . .

Edited November 27, 2013 by t-darko

[Zoom_VI]

WHHYYYY

I thought this ting had died.

[cashogy_reborn]

WHHYYYY

I thought this ting had died.

 

It had. Then someone necro'd it. Damn zombies

[Wainamoinen]

It had. Then someone necro'd it. Damn zombies

 

Why is there never a chainsaw and a conveniently nearby vat of acid when you need them?

[Zoom_VI]

It had. Then someone necro'd it. Damn zombies

 

The problem with star wars games is that there are no 12-guage shotguns to use on these zombies......

[UncelSam]

This is the biggest thread ever on swtor.

 

Wonder when the devs will see it?

[SomeJagoff]

This is the biggest thread ever on swtor.

 

Wonder when the devs will see it?

 

There are no devs, only Zuul.

[UncelSam]

Yea i bet your right, that explains the poor updates of this SW frenschise.

 

I bet it will be dead and buried in 3 months tops. No more TOR after that.

 

Comming MMOs will instakill this game when launched.

[Laoi]

Less and less people are pvp'ing now, sometimes it takes 45-60 mins for a pop to happen.... I've noticed a trend on certain servers you get a few PvP guilds that do nothing but make up 4 man premades and ruin all the fun for people who just want jump into a quick warzone... What happens is you can go against a fully geared out premade who's on vent/mumble/team speak and they pretty much just own everyone...

 

Bioware you need to add a PUG only warzone option, this will level the playing field more and allow people to just have fun.... If not, less and less people are going to pvp due to frustration with the situation..

 

oooooor just throw the whole concept of instanced pvp into the trashbin (where it belongs) and fix open world pvp instead. oh wait that would require an engine that can handle more than 10 ppl at the same time. nvm

[cashogy_reborn]

If it takes 45-60 minutes its one of two things: 1) youre on a PvE/RP server or 2) its way off peak times.

 

Both scenarios there is nothing BW can and will do about it; if you dont like it transfer/play at peak times.

[Ren_simp]

Well I guess the devs don't understand the issue because its

A game that's based on socialising and grouping up with friends and guild member to accomplish things in the game both pve and pvp.

 

so my guess is they will never go there because in their minds its how you're supposed to play the game

Which is why you will never see a yellow post on this issue.

[Marrius]

oooooor just throw the whole concept of instanced pvp into the trashbin (where it belongs) and fix open world pvp instead. oh wait that would require an engine that can handle more than 10 ppl at the same time. nvm

 

Why the frack are we settling for this then? We all pay to support the game. BW get off your complacency and give us a product with the same level of quality that your company gained notoriety for.

Open world pvp is a great idea and i fully approve this message.

[Marrius]

Lets say you are queuing solo and you get into a warzone with 7 other people that all had solo queued.

 

Now after that warzone you invite three of your teammates from that PuG team into a group and group queue them. you have now just queued a four man premade.

 

But what is different about those players now that they are queued together into a warzone rather than being pugged together? Their gear is the same, their skill is no different. Nothing is different they are just four players in a eight man team just like in the PuG wz they where also four players in a eight man team.

 

Grouping doesn't make anyone better or make winning require any less skill.

 

Also if your not convinced I have a very simple solution to premades

 

 

Upon entering a warzone all players guild tags are hidden for the duration

 

I think something needs clarifying here. Premades will always be more successful than pugs because there is already a heirarchy in the group and one person will lead while the rest follow. this is the dynamic of any group of friends. And when you have leadership you have order. Order > Chaos.

 

Also the use of vent/ tspeak etc. in wz's should be forbidden or implimented whole-heartedly into the game itself. Meaning either we all have it or none of us have it.

 

The idea I believe everyone wants here is an even playing field and if you argue against this concept then its likely that you have a bully mentality and should be drop kicked to the ban-wagon as soon as possible so that the rest of us can move on and enjoy the game.

[UncelSam]

I think something needs clarifying here. Premades will always be more successful than pugs because there is already a heirarchy in the group and one person will lead while the rest follow. this is the dynamic of any group of friends. And when you have leadership you have order. Order > Chaos.

 

Also the use of vent/ tspeak etc. in wz's should be forbidden or implimented whole-heartedly into the game itself. Meaning either we all have it or none of us have it.

 

The idea I believe everyone wants here is an even playing field and if you argue against this concept then its likely that you have a bully mentality and should be drop kicked to the ban-wagon as soon as possible so that the rest of us can move on and enjoy the game.

 

Well spoken!! This is just what Ive been talking about since Beta! The Devs still think this is not a preoblem!

 

I hope they notice the issue now when the forums are filled with posts about the premade issue.

[Ren_simp]

Well spoken!! This is just what Ive been talking about since Beta! The Devs still think this is not a preoblem!

 

I hope they notice the issue now when the forums are filled with posts about the premade issue.

 

You mean the issue of people playing the game as intended?

The whole game is based on group play I don't think they see your problem as an issue

Hence the no response because it doesn't warrant one.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Ren_simp

[UncelSam]

You mean the issue of people playing the game as intended?

The whole game is based on group play I don't think they see your problem as an issue

Hence the no response because it doesn't warrant one.

 

The intended way of playing doesnt seem to be too popular if you seen how many posts there is on this matter.

 

Things can only change to the better from here. We can have more balanced fights with alot more fun and chllange on an equal base.

[Ren_simp]

The intended way of playing doesnt seem to be too popular if you seen how many posts there is on this matter.

 

I think You're searching for something that doesn't exist in mmos and never will

You have to just accept that this game is created based around group play the devs support this

Type of gameplay and see nothing wrong with it, as it's intended design it's a mmo.

[Marrius]

You mean the issue of people playing the game as intended?

The whole game is based on group play I don't think they see your problem as an issue

Hence the no response because it doesn't warrant one.

 

Well thank you for taking your time to respond even though you feel it doesn't warrant a response.

 

Now if the intention by the devs was to have pug stomping and extended wait times to get into wzs then yes you are correct, there is no issue/problem. However the devs have admitted there is a problem both in word and deed. They tried to correct the issue by incorporating 4v4 ranked to try and deter premades from stomping pugs. This lends evidence to the fact that the devs are trying to correct the issue but sadly the issue persists. The question now is; Will the devs come up with another solution? There are many suggestions presented in this thread. I hope some of them are considered/implimented before the issue drives away any more players.

 

After all lets face it; All BW really wants is a successful product = $$$

Edited December 4, 2013 by Marrius

[Ren_simp]

Well thank you for taking your time to respond even though you feel it didn't warrant a response.

 

Now if the intention by the devs was to have pug stomping and extended wait times to get into wzs then yes you are correct, there is no issue/problem. However the devs have admitted there is a problem both in word and deed. They tried to correct the issue by incorporating 4v4 ranked to try and deter premades from stomping pugs. This lends evidence to the fact that the devs are trying to correct the issue but sadly the issue persists. The question now is; Will the devs come up with another solution? There are many suggestions presented in this thread. I hope some of them are considered/implimented before the issue drives away any more players.

 

Ok you seem to be confused as to why we have ranked arenas

Ranked 4v4 was implemented because it was to hard for a lot of teams to field 8 players

Ranked solo was implemented for people that don't have time for grouping and as a way for players that normally wouldn't get into or participate in ranked group the opportunity to participate.

 

Premade vs pug its part of the game.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Ren_simp

[Marrius]

Ok you seem to be confused as to why we have ranked arenas

Ranked 4v4 was implemented because it was to hard for a lot of teams to field 8 players

Ranked solo was implemented for people that don't have time for grouping and as a way for players that normally wouldn't get into or participate in ranked group the opportunity to participate.

 

Premade vs pug its part of the game.

 

Actually you are wrong and I am hoping someone knows where the dev post on this is so our 'friend' here can be educated.

Furthermore if someone knows where the mike morhaim interview is on what he calls cheating (pug stomping) I think this can shed some light on what is accepted and expected in MMO's in general.

 

Ren, I understand you like the way things are but you are not a majority on this issue. If it is not changed sadly you and your friends will have nobody left to pug stomp.