darthdoll Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 looking at HE's website, it does look like a great system, but... what version of HE is SWToR using? They modified it so basically when dev modify a engine they rip it apart and put what they want/need in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orisai Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Can you prove this? First of all, Eclipse was CREATED by Bioware itself to be Windows AND Mac ready and, compared to the original Warcraft III engine used by Blizzard to make WoW's, Eclipse was pretty much ready for it's development to continue into the MMO genre and thus for use with this game, and by far more optimized than Hero Engine. Edited February 16, 2012 by Orisai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjmc Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I once wrote a program to make a dot move across the screen on a TRS-80. How much harder could developing an Integrated MMO game system that handles hundreds of thousands of players simultaneously be? If only I could find a spare afternoon to whip one up, I'd start my own MMO and show everyone how bad the existing MMOs are. Unfortunately I can't today, because I have several episodes of Red Eye PVRed that I need to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTed Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 First of all, Eclipse was CREATED by Bioware itself to be Windows AND Mac ready and, compared to the original Warcraft III engine used by Blizzard to make WoW's, Eclipse was pretty much ready for it's development to continue into the MMO genre and thus for use with this game, and by far more optimized than Hero Engine. So your answer is no, you can't prove that the engine is at fault. Noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBenSmokin Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 If that clown spent half as much time playing the game, as he does trying to shut people up from talking about how terrible the game is, he's realize himself, it really is. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdoll Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 If that clown spent half as much time playing the game, as he does trying to shut people up from talking about how terrible the game is, he's realize himself, it really is. Lol Speaking for yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orisai Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 So your answer is no, you can't prove that the engine is at fault. Noted. DA:O runs at MAX settings with just half of what SWTOR needs to run at MID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBenSmokin Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Speaking for yourself? That wouldn't make sense, cause I know better than to try and defend a game that doesn't deserve defending. But yes, "I know you are but what I am" still works on most grade school children if you want to try it with them. Edited February 16, 2012 by OldBenSmokin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdoll Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 DA:O runs at MAX settings with just half of what SWTOR needs to run at MID. Considering the game came out November 3, 2009... ............. .......... ... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTed Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 DA:O runs at MAX settings with just half of what SWTOR needs to run at MID. You really don't get how this "evidence" thing works, do you? You also seemingly have a layperson's understanding of technology. No wonder you blame the engine with no proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobrot Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I don't need to know everything about game engines to know, that something with lower res textures and models should run at least as smooth as any other game with similar graphics and similar design. I played a lot of MMOs before, took part in 150 vs 150 battles in Lineage 2, in massive zerg fights in Aion, did raids and PvP in WoW and nothing, I mean nothing compares to the crap here. I had 80fps fighting at the gates of Aden, I could actually see the animations in gargantual zergfights in Abyss, but somehow I have 2fps all the time in 40vs40 fights on Ilum. That's how I know this engine sucks old socks. I don't have to be an engine developer to say that much. Regards, Kalantris Lol when Aion first started you were lucky to get 10fps in the Abyss unless you disabled everything including player models, half the time for mass fights you were attacking name plates and little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTed Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 That wouldn't make sense, cause I know better than to try and defend a game that doesn't deserve defending. Still treating your opinions as facts? How old are you? Isn't it time you learned some critical thinking skills? I could recommend some books if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie_ Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I once wrote a program to make a dot move across the screen on a TRS-80. How much harder could developing an Integrated MMO game system that handles hundreds of thousands of players simultaneously be? If only I could find a spare afternoon to whip one up, I'd start my own MMO and show everyone how bad the existing MMOs are. Unfortunately I can't today, because I have several episodes of Red Eye PVRed that I need to watch. Impressive riposte, funny also because it's an accurate assessment of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herboss Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) OMG I just went out and (tried) to pvp in Ilum for the first time, what an absolute joke, have a high end comp and it's was just CONSTANT freezes/pauses. Crap engine is crap. Edited February 16, 2012 by Herboss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckskyline Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Too bad.. the Hero Engine was hailed as a finalist for one of the best Engines for MMO's in 2008 by whom you ask? Game Developer Magazine. and often won many titles in conventions..by whom? People who make MMO's. yup. This engine sucks according to Armchair devs everywhere.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicksDigHarleys Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Does it really matter if it's the engine that sucks, or BioWare's coders? The end result is the same. Edited February 16, 2012 by ChicksDigHarleys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areto Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) One thing you have to note in threads with the trolls from both sides arguing is that the side with the less cohesive point will start attacking the people making points for the other side and trying to derail the thread by going on about grammar or logic or why such and such comparison isn't a valid one. They will also become more and more snide. Looking over the last few pages of this discussion it's the biotrolls who've been steadily heading in this direction. This is called 'proof by verbosity.' and is entirely unhelpful. Now I'm not saying it's always the 'fanbois' or the 'haters' who will do this, there will be a bit on either side most of the time, but when you start to see the scales tip heavily to one side or the other, it's quite rational to assume the side trying to make real arguments may have a real point. Just a helpful hint for people trying to read the forums and work out who's trolling whom. eg. The Bozo's complaining about Hero Engine on this forum barely even know how to maintain their toasters let alone understand the complexities of programming. I guess the devs are to blame there too. You'll note that it attacks people (everyone complaining in this case), is very snide and doesn't actually make any point at all. Edited February 16, 2012 by areto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthSublimitas Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 WoW uses a modified version of the Warcraft 3 engine, so it's basically all created in-house. Yes, and with a game of this or any MMO, NEEDS to be done IN HOUSE. Hero engine is a piece of antiquated garbage. Why didn't they use Unreal engine or Gamebryo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeborn Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Too bad.. the Hero Engine was hailed as a finalist for one of the best Engines for MMO's in 2008 by whom you ask? Game Developer Magazine. and often won many titles in conventions..by whom? People who make MMO's. yup. This engine sucks according to Armchair devs everywhere.. The Bozo's complaining about Hero Engine on this forum barely even know how to maintain their toasters let alone understand the complexities of programming. I guess the devs are to blame there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeborn Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Does it really matter if it's the engine that sucks, or BioWare's coders? The end result is the same. Other than the massive lag on Ilum the game runs fine. Got any other examples? I don't get any lag other than Ilum when massing for a fight. I don't have ability lag, which I personally think is a bunch of BS. I don't find too many bugs. No more than I did in WoW when Cataclysm was released. Explain to me how Hero Engine is to blame? Point out real examples, not grasping for straws and looking for something to blame when you don't have a clue to what the coding is. Edited February 16, 2012 by Daeborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volksworgen Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Yes, and with a game of this or any MMO, NEEDS to be done IN HOUSE. Hero engine is a piece of antiquated garbage. Why didn't they use Unreal engine or Gamebryo? I believe in this exact thread I was told by someone that unreal engine is not suitable for MMOs, but guess what that person was wrong. I played TERA online closed beta last weekend and I was blown away by performance of unreal engine and how sweet everything looked. I thought those were the high res graphics for TERA until few days ago when they announced that they will be patching in the high-res textures. Now the game is going to look more awesome. Other than the graphics, engine, and combat, TERA is a piece of crap. Had no clue what the story was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeborn Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I believe in this exact thread I was told by someone that unreal engine is not suitable for MMOs, but guess what that person was wrong. I played TERA online closed beta last weekend and I was blown away by performance of unreal engine and how sweet everything looked. I thought those were the high res graphics for TERA until few days ago when they announced that they will be patching in the high-res textures. Now the game is going to look more awesome. Other than the graphics, engine, and combat, TERA is a piece of crap. Had no clue what the story was about. Beta <> Release. When it's released and the servers are stressed and multiple platforms are accessing the game then let me know how the performance is. BTW I like Unreal Engine but Batman Archam City uses Unreal and it's had it's share of bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volksworgen Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Other than the massive lag on Ilum the game runs fine. Got any other examples? I don't get any lag other than Ilum when massing for a fight. I don't have ability lag, which I personally think is a bunch of BS. I don't find too many bugs. No more than I did in WoW when Cataclysm was released. Explain to me how Hero Engine is to blame? Point out real examples, not grasping for straws and looking for something to blame when you don't have a clue to what the coding is. Whether you admit it or not, the game engine is not very well optimized. 2-3 mins loading screens, you don't have a problem with that? Or your fps dropping to like 30 at some places and coming back up when you stop moving, in other words fps spikes and this happens in areas where there are 0 players. You are a die-hard fanboy who doesn't want to admit into the game's real condition. Dream on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volksworgen Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Beta <> Release. When it's released and the servers are stressed and multiple platforms are accessing the game then let me know how the performance is. BTW I like Unreal Engine but Batman Archam City uses Unreal and it's had it's share of bugs. Buddy, TERA had only 2 servers and they were PACKED. I can tell you weren't there because you are assuming too much. The general chat was getting like 100 messages every 5 secs and everywhere I went there were players around me. Oh and that wasn't in major city, it was just a leveling zone. Do you see that in SWTOR? Not really because they decided to tinkle with the population themselves and left everyone with extremely low pop, especially mine. There are usually 7-8 people in any zone I go to. Does that tell you something about the weak decisions bioware has made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForceCowboy Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Lucas the Hutt is charging them so much in royalties that they had to save money somewhere. They may be making millions or even billions from this game in the long term, but at LEAST 30% of that it going right back to the Lucas Cartel. So the first place they thought they would save money is by buying an existing, half baked game engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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