No Cross Realm LFG tool please!

[Diet-Hutt]

Still firm in my position that cross server LFG tools for dungeons and operations does nothing to harm healthy communities and, at worst, only removes illusions of power from abusive server populations.

 

^ This

[theoffspringlp]

I really don't see how this feature would ruin the community. The idea is that if someone behaves poorly in a group run that you can warn others, and eventually cause them to either change their ways or be unable to group. This system simply does not work. Sure, if someone is a jerk when they group with me I might not ever play with them again, but odds are other people are going to group with that person no matter what I say (and I don't see why other people should automatically take my side to begin with).

 

I like the idea of a LFG tool for 2 main reasons.

1. Forming groups as they are now, time required is a wildly inconsistent variable. If I only have 2 hours to play, it's hard to say if that's enough time to run a FP, particularly at mid-levels where there are fewer players looking for the same FP's. A LFG tool would allow me (hopefully) to see approximately how long is needed to form a group. Perhaps even more importantly, if I have to leave the queue due to time, it's much less of a hardship on the people I'm in the queue with than if I were to have a group of 2 others and have to bail on them before we got a 4th.

 

2. I like the cooperation of playing with other people, and the idea of taking down opponents I wouldn't be able to otherwise. That said, I'm not looking to make friends in this (or any other) game. I'm not the kind of person who will log into a game just to socialize. Being able to get a group of random people together to accomplish 1 clear objective, then disbanding and likely never seeing those people again works great for me.

 

tl;dr

A LFG tool would be great for people with limited time or who just don't want to get extracurricular with the social aspect. I would prefer a system that tries to match players with others from their server first, but I think a LFG tool is much needed.

[Touchbass]

I saw a major difference after LFD was implemented in WoW. Perhaps you didn't play that much. The ones that want LFD are usually parents with work and family that have 2 hours to play a day. Why do I have to suffer because you are a busy person? Perhaps you haven't seen the change in WoW because of LFD, but I have.

 

I'd love to hear how you got that qualitative information, actually wait no I don't. Why do I have to suffer because you play this game 4 hours a day? Why am I punished because I have a life?

 

Recruiting into guilds became an absolute horror. Instead of spamming for "looking for x for dungeon y" we had to spam Guild Recruitment advertisement and we had sooo maaany bad players because we couldn't really test them before inviting, their applications were often very good. So our guild had low progress.

 

This doesn't even really make sense. Raids really have nothing in common with face roll heroic group content. It's probably because you and your friends aren't very good. Nothing is wrong with that, I carried people all the time in my guild, just don't blame your lack of skill on something else.

 

Also, before LFD I was constantly meeting new friends in dungeons, some of these friends lasted after 5 years and we still talk and play other games together. I haven't met a single new friend after LFD was implemented, not a single one.

Before LFD people would know each other, I'd be on someone's friend list because he knew I could heal well, I had plenty of great players on my list, after LFD it did not matter, because we had our own guilds and dungeons within the Realm were pointless.

 

Blizzard fixed this with the battletag system, why would we go back to an archaic system that doesn't work?

 

Also, Dugneons lost it's charm, we went there, but just for the daily, nothing else, no one needs to talk at all, because why bother? We aren't going to meet again most likely, right? So we do our thing as if it was single player not an MMO.

 

Being forced to do the same stupid dungeon 50 times is what lost the charm.People didn't talk much prior to X-LFD and they don't talk much now. If you go to a dungeon with someone you like you talk, if not you don't talk. That's reality, not a X-LFD issue.

 

And so my conclusion is this - people are complaining that TOR feels like a single player now, imagine how it will feel when you don't even socialise in it, because after 1 press of a button you find yourself in a dungeon with people you don't know, never said a word to and probably never talk to ever again. Now THAT will feel like a single player with Co-OP, and nothing else.

 

That would be a much better version of the system we have now.

 

There was Community in WoW, perhaps you were on a different server, I was on a RP, RP-PVP one, and there were groups of people that were well known by the whole server, some were hated, some were respected, but there was this "something" that was gone after LFD. And I am not the only one thinking that, because I've had many conversations about it with many people in WoW. I haven't met a single person there that said it's a great tool.

Once again, different servers, different people, but that's my point of view.

 

Why not find a way to get everyone to do flashpoints for fun and invent other methods of getting people to socalize? It's not rocket science

[Touchbass]

Funny, I see alot of pro SWTOR posts and me and some of my friends love it. Most of thes threads that run so long are as such because of well-developed factions on both sides. It even seems you spend alot of time refuting the type of posts you say you don't see.

 

if you aren't seeing any positives is this change gonna make this game a good one for you?

 

The majority of the boards are complaints about the game. WoW never had this kind of backlash, it's because the community is so divided in the kind of game they want. People for legitimate reasons want a game one particular way and others are fervently against it. In answer to your question, yes.

Edited February 21, 2012 by Touchbass

[Nitewolfe]

Cross server is coming they already said they are looking into it.

I am a happy camper!

[Cmder-Shepard]

I don't mind a LFG tool for the same server but for cross servers no thanks don't want it.

[MalignX]

Give me Cross-Server LFG, so that I may never return to these forums, where I have met more unpleasant people in just a few weeks than I ever met running a single random dungeon group in WoW.

[Nitewolfe]

Give me Cross-Server LFG, so that I may never return to these forums, where I have met more unpleasant people in just a few weeks than I ever met running a single random dungeon group in WoW.

 

Amen!!

Thousands of cross server runs in wow and rift and i cant even remember any that they were bad enough to bother me later on let alone be as emotional distrot that these anti cross server people are.

[Gerandar]

Cross realm LFG is a must, just like cross realm warzones are a must. the fact that the game didn't launch with it is kind of sad.

[Yakito]

I'd love to hear how you got that qualitative information, actually wait no I don't. Why do I have to suffer because you play this game 4 hours a day? Why am I punished because I have a life?

 

This doesn't even really make sense. Raids really have nothing in common with face roll heroic group content. It's probably because you and your friends aren't very good. Nothing is wrong with that, I carried people all the time in my guild, just don't blame your lack of skill on something else.

 

 

So you took my post apart and even insulted me?

Well, I guess you just don't want to see my input, you want it all wiped out so yours is right, yes?

You think I was the bad one? Well then, since you don't know me and never did, you shouldn't assume these things. I was in a hardcore guild that I grew tired off, because well... I wanted some time for myself, "get a life" as you said it.

The more casual guild was full of people that kept failing on the simplest tasks, we kept teaching them, but we couldn't really replace them with anyone else, because there was no one available, and the replacements were usually just as bad.

 

How do I know the LFG lovers are parents with little time to play? Because almost every person giving an argument for LFG says he's a busy person with a family, he pays so he WANTS to have things handed to him, does it matter that it's an MMO and the nature of it is actually socializing? Nope... You are forgetting the main aspect of the game, you see. If I wanted to have everything handed on a single platter without having to talk to anyone I'd play a single player, but I am in a MMO, which I know, has some social aspects in it, not just limited to the guilds.

 

You aren't asking for realm LFG, you are asking for a Cross realm, which in my opinion is just an attempt to destroy this game even further. We haven't even got any firm communities yet, people are still coming here. In Warcraft you had some steady core on each realm that didn't really get harmed by the Dungeon Finder. This game is too new to ruin it with a lazy tool to fix a problem. Like Dual Spec was just a lazy attempt to fix the lack of PVE to PVP talents balance, which was not a problem in EQ2.

 

I'd somehow live with realm LFG, but if there's Cross realm ever implemented, I'll be out of here and you'll have 1 less person to group up with, actually not just one, because I know for a fact that many people will cancel the moment Cross realm LFD goes live.

 

Go ahead and pick this post apart too, I have a feeling we'll be running in circles if you do, because I am giving you my point of view, not saying you are wrong (I'll leave it here in case you come back to quote this..., note "not saying you are wrong" but I think you are very, very wrong indeed), you somehow want to convince me that you are right. You won't, because I gave it a lot of thought a long time before you even registered on the forums. During Beta forum was full of people that actually wanted this game to be better than everything else, and the polls and all the threads said one thing - "No LFD!!!".

 

This debate is endless, and lasted for years, every argument was given, both sides are still thinking they are right. No one changes it's mind. I just wish that people that wanted LFD tool went back to WoW where the tool is available. I want a bit of a different game, you see. One that doesn't copy 100% of the features from WoW just to have a good start. For once I'd like some innovation.

 

Why do you insist on bringing every single tool from WoW? Dual Spec, LFD, and so on?

Why do people do that? I will never understand. I thought people wanted something new in a different game, but I was wrong, people apparently hate change and even when they hate something they'll miss it after it's gone and they'll want it back.

Edited February 21, 2012 by Yakito

[Uruare]

I don't see anyone even talking about the SWTOR in any positive light. It's not bad per say, just seems really like a void that doesn't want to be filled.

 

Well, we're consumers. If a consumer is happy, they'll typically not go out of their way to say so. You'll know they're happy when they've shut up and go on using your product and the money keeps coming in.

 

We're not raising a child here, after all. Not our job to nurture it and say only nice things even if we'd be misrepresenting our experiences or feelings to do so.

 

And that cuts both ways. There's nothing wrong with going out of one's way to offer praise if that's where one's experiences and feelings incline one.

 

Me, I can't get my significant other to log on anymore and a large chunk of both her work friends, my work friends and my WoW guildmates wandered back to WoW, Rift or even single player games.

 

Overarching reason for most of them: we've played this game before. Some of us didn't like this game the first time we played it. Some of us are all "I'm not ditching a game I'm both pretty happy with and have years invested into for the privilege of starting all over in its deficient lightsaber-swinging cousin".

 

My significant other? We went guild hunting after ours did everything they wanted to do and, with three whole exceptions in timezones almost triangulaterally located around the globe, left. Found a guild, ran with said guild for a whole week...guild eroded.

 

"Bored. See you guys later. Sick of this crap."

 

"Might be back when legacy stuff is in. Don't count on it. Sick of wow with lightsabers."

 

"Adios muchachos, my wife and I are done with this bleeping game and its bleeping bleep crafting."

 

 

Second guild? They managed to violently offend my SO in the first day. So, bye bye guild number two.

 

Three days of alternating between one of us doing dailies and the other fleet campign to recruit for HM pugs later and...she's done. Reason?

 

"If I have to live on a <censored> game to get a <censored> group to do any <censored> <censored> thing, the whole <censored> thing can go <censored> itself in the <censored>. I'm not paying to play something I get sexually harassed in, that all our friends ditched and that we can't even find a <censored> group for when we can play because we don't live in the <censored> <censored> game 14 hours a <censored> day!"

 

 

Note that my SO isn't, by any stretch of the imagination, a very committed MMO gamer. She tends, very strongly, to expect out of an MMO what she gets out of the single player games she -does- play avidly, only with options to do things with people to boot.

 

Gear grind? "<Censored> your gear grind. Anyone that thinks that <censored> is fun and that's its just the best <censored> thing in the world to spend hundreds of hours living on a game to get the Codpiece of the Whale can do my <censored> job for a few months and I'll -happily- do nothing but <bleep> around and sit on my ***. Until then, <bleep> that, I got <zing> to do that doesn't suck."

 

 

Me? I get to putz a lot more than she does while also doing my job some of the time, but we're very much of one mind on the sentiment of where things wasting our time can go.

 

Having no LFG tools and not even a global channel to manually form server only groups with?

 

Being forced to dither on the fleet and -diminish- chances of finding a random group for anything if one leaves to do anything else?

 

Trying to find a guild when many of them are filled with arrogant, sexist, crass little children with towering egos?

 

Bahahahahahahaha.

 

No.

Edited February 21, 2012 by Uruare

[MalignX]

Why do you insist on bringing every single tool from WoW? Dual Spec, LFD, and so on?

Why do people do that? I will never understand. I thought people wanted something new in a different game, but I was wrong, people apparently hate change and even when they hate something they'll miss it after it's gone and they'll want it back.

 

Thought I'd skip to the end of you rant and say there is nothing about the current dynamic of this game that I will miss when they implement X-Server LFG.

 

Edit: Guilds being a absolutely 100% optional thing in a MMO? Hooooray.

Edited February 21, 2012 by MalignX

[Wolfeisberg]

A better solution would be to have not more then 1 server in the first place. They already have the planet instance technology, so now just make all servers into one big server with there being multiple instances of the planets. For the planets that currently have PvP possible, have PvP instances and PvE instances of the planets, and people who like world PvP will choose the PvP instances, and those who do not like PvP will just choose the PvE instances.

 

This is the best possible solution.

 

If having PvE and PvP instances, then just have 2 servers per region

 

US PvE server

US PvP server

EU PvE Server

EU PvP Server

[Ronamo]

Just checked the WoW boards, nope, no posts about bots in the LFD. Invalid complaint is invalid

 

That was handled by the votekick system. Which had its own full set of problems.

[Touchbass]

So you took my post apart and even insulted me?

Well, I guess you just don't want to see my input, you want it all wiped out so yours is right, yes?

You think I was the bad one? Well then, since you don't know me and never did, you shouldn't assume these things. I was in a hardcore guild that I grew tired off, because well... I wanted some time for myself, "get a life" as you said it.

The more casual guild was full of people that kept failing on the simplest tasks, we kept teaching them, but we couldn't really replace them with anyone else, because there was no one available, and the replacements were usually just as bad.

 

So you were in a hardcore guild that recruited by testing out people in 5 mans? That's an average to below average guild, sorry. Real hardcore guilds recruited by picking the pockets of competing guilds or recruiting transfers. I didn't mean to insult you, I'm just being honest.

 

How do I know the LFG lovers are parents with little time to play? Because almost every person giving an argument for LFG says he's a busy person with a family, he pays so he WANTS to have things handed to him, does it matter that it's an MMO and the nature of it is actually socializing? Nope... You are forgetting the main aspect of the game, you see. If I wanted to have everything handed on a single platter without having to talk to anyone I'd play a single player, but I am in a MMO, which I know, has some social aspects in it, not just limited to the guilds.

 

I usually find that people who want LFD are the more social people around out there, whereas those who want no X-LFD want a very small tight community of friends. Both sides are valid but your generalizing is not only the inncorrect way of looking at things, it's plain wrong.

 

You aren't asking for realm LFG, you are asking for a Cross realm, which in my opinion is just an attempt to destroy this game even further. We haven't even got any firm communities yet, people are still coming here. In Warcraft you had some steady core on each realm that didn't really get harmed by the Dungeon Finder. This game is too new to ruin it with a lazy tool to fix a problem. Like Dual Spec was just a lazy attempt to fix the lack of PVE to PVP talents balance, which was not a problem in EQ2.

 

I love how you believe we are trying to destroy the game that I pay a monthly fee for.

 

I'd somehow live with realm LFG, but if there's Cross realm ever implemented, I'll be out of here and you'll have 1 less person to group up with, actually not just one, because I know for a fact that many people will cancel the moment Cross realm LFD goes live.

 

If anyone cancels over a X- LFD then they are a whiny baby. You'd leave a game with great promise over one thing you didn't get your way over? It's fine to not like a feature and snub but to quit over it just shows that you are a baby.

 

Go ahead and pick this post apart too, I have a feeling we'll be running in circles if you do, because I am giving you my point of view, not saying you are wrong, you somehow want to convince me that you are right. You won't, because I gave it a lot of thought a long time before you even registered on the forums. During Beta forum was full of people that actually wanted this game to be better than everything else, and the polls and all the threads said one thing - "No LFD!!!".

 

You've made it very clear that I'm wrong. Lets look at your post a bit more closely.

 

in my opinion is just an attempt to destroy the game

 

^, fair balanced news reporting?

 

 

This debate is endless, and lasted for years, every argument was given, both sides are still thinking they are right. No one changes it's mind. I just wish that people that wanted LFD tool went back to WoW where the tool is available. I want a bit of a different game, you see. One that doesn't copy 100% of the features from WoW just to have a good start. For once I'd like some innovation.

 

The game is exactly the same minus a few modifications. Nothing is wrong with that.

 

Why do you insist on bringing every single tool from WoW? Dual Spec, LFD, and so on?

Why do people do that? I will never understand. I thought people wanted something new in a different game, but I was wrong, people apparently hate change and even when they hate something they'll miss it after it's gone and they'll want it back.

 

Because there are legitimate reasons why people want them and why people don't want them. The majority rules I'm afraid.

Edited February 21, 2012 by Touchbass

[Touchbass]

A better solution would be to have not more then 1 server in the first place. They already have the planet instance technology, so now just make all servers into one big server with there being multiple instances of the planets. For the planets that currently have PvP possible, have PvP instances and PvE instances of the planets, and people who like world PvP will choose the PvP instances, and those who do not like PvP will just choose the PvE instances.

 

This is the best possible solution.

 

If having PvE and PvP instances, then just have 2 servers per region

 

US PvE server

US PvP server

EU PvE Server

EU PvP Server

 

I'd divide them up a bit more but this would be great as long as it didn't drain processing power too much

[DarthSabreth]

I would love to see a cross server LFG tool, its really tough getting flashpoints together, i also think pvp ques should be cross server as well, with a choice of which battle ground you want to pvp in.

[fyrephly]

Let's see how many communities I can kill by spamming /1 and /w before they implement an LFG tool.

[Yakito]

So you were in a hardcore guild that recruited by testing out people in 5 mans? That's an average to below average guild, sorry. Real hardcore guilds recruited by picking the pockets of competing guilds or recruiting transfers. I didn't mean to insult you, I'm just being honest.

 

You are wrong, you can recruit somebody with many methods, one of them is meeting a player in a 5 man and seeing that he's really good. That's how I got into a guild that killed SOA 16 Nightmare fairly early.

 

 

I usually find that people who want LFD are the more social people around out there, whereas those who want no X-LFD want a very small tight community of friends. Both sides are valid but your generalizing is not only the inncorrect way of looking at things, it's plain wrong.

 

Funny, but I just don't see it. You are basing this theory on what exactly? (oh the irony!)

 

I love how you believe we are trying to destroy the game that I pay a monthly fee for.

 

Yes, because you are throwing this "I am paying for it" around it seems, you don't care. You already jumped ships from WoW, probably Rift too, which makes me think that you'd jump from TOR to GW2 without a second thought. The LFD callers are usually the ones that quit fairly early, to be honest.

 

 

If anyone cancels over a X- LFD then they are a whiny baby. You'd leave a game with great promise over one thing you didn't get your way over? It's fine to not like a feature and snub but to quit over it just shows that you are a baby.

 

I am surprised by the lack of your logic. Let me quote you there - "that I pay a monthly fee for" It shows that I am a paying customer with a choice. There are so many issues I have to put up in this game, FPS is the biggest one so far, slideshow Ilum and so on, that I literally cannot take much more crap. If they pile up LFD on top of that... I'll just be done.

 

 

 

You've made it very clear that I'm wrong. Lets look at your post a bit more closely.

 

In my eyes you are, so very very wrong. Also the funny attempts to take my sentences apart are cute, but don't make you smarter or any more convincing.

 

 

The game is exactly the same minus a few modifications. Nothing is wrong with that.

 

Everything is wrong with that. You didn't really answer my question there, but "nothing is wrong with that" will suffice. It tells me that you don't mind every MMO to be exactly the same, just with a different skin. It puzzles me. It almost makes me laugh at myself, because I should honestly drop this debate, there's no point in arguing with people that came from WoW and want this game to be just like WoW.

TOR can rock by being innovative, but Devs are also very scared of even trying anything new, and many people got tired of WoW and will therefore get tired of TOR even faster due to bugs, and WoW has a strong playerbase already, there's no need for them to migrate to this game if all they see is a copy of what they have already but with bugs on top of it. There's a lot of bad press already.

 

Because there are legitimate reasons why people want them and why people don't want them. The majority rules I'm afraid.

It's funny, and you may laugh at it, in fact you have every right to, but majority isn't always right. There are so many people that have no idea what's good. Just look at the world around you and see what the majorities do in some countries.

 

And then again, you have no right to say that people wanting LFD are the majority.

As I said, in Beta polls we re clear - no LFD and I think it was 3 to 1.

Obviously now we have more people, but I am affraid these people are missing WoW... and a lot of them will come back to it (I hope).

[Yakito]

I'm already seeing "LF Tank for Heroic X, must be geared, quick good run". Gotta love a ladder run gear progressions system when the communities don't let people progress up it.

 

I think you missed the fact that he said "Heroic/Hard Mode", which you do indeed need a tiny bit of gear for.

I just don't see your point here. It's certainly not an argument for LFD. Not even close.

[Wetworks]

"u r wrong,

merge servers wont work,

cause in my time zone there is not enough ppl,

BW should provide a free server transfer system,

A game shouldnt design to bind player on one server.

 

Do real GLOBAL LFG , it means crose ALL servers LFG,

ALL players who sub can find ALL others(one can find the other 1.7 mil), that's the real solution."

 

@Oakamp,

 

Try to contribute within the English language if you plan to contradict my contribution please.

 

"cause in my time zone there is not enough ppl"

Do you live in Antarctica? 2-3+ shards any time zone is just fine.

 

"A game shouldnt design to bind player on one server."

You could always go back to your Xbox/PS for online play.

 

"Do real GLOBAL LFG , it means crose ALL servers LFG,

ALL players who sub can find ALL others(one can find the other 1.7 mil), that's the real solution."

I really hope you are trolling, not even going to extend an explanation for such a response. Once again Xbox/SOE may be a better fit for you.

 

 

What I proposed would answer the issue.

Edited February 21, 2012 by Wetworks

[Thorun]

This will bring people back, and bioware likes money.

[ferroz]

You aren't asking for realm LFG, you are asking for a Cross realm, which in my opinion is just an attempt to destroy this game even further.

No, it's clearly an attempt to have a cross realm lfg. Nothing more.

 

This game is too new to ruin it with a lazy tool to fix a problem.

The tool doesn't ruin anything.

 

Like Dual Spec was just a lazy attempt to fix the lack of PVE to PVP talents balance, which was not a problem in EQ2.

Dual spec in wow was to fix the situation where people had to play two different spec for twp differemt set of content (soloing, groups, or raids, pvp ). It wasn't specific to pve vs pvp.

 

I know for a fact that many people will cancel the moment Cross realm LFD goes live.

I know for a fact that many people will buy the game the moment Cross realm LFD goes live.

 

you somehow want to convince me that you are right.

if you're convinced, so be it... but I can still point out to other people where you're wrong.

 

don't get so caught up in the fact that people are responding to you... it doesn't actually mean that anyone is trying to convince YOU personally of anything.

 

Why do you insist on bringing every single tool from WoW? Dual Spec, LFD, and so on?

Good features are good, regardless of where they come from.

 

I thought people wanted something new in a different game

Copying good features doesn't mean that you can't get something new as well.

 

If you want to have an innovative new car, that's great... but it had better have an air conditioner, and seat belts, and doors, and windows that I can roll down, etc. Or something that is functionally equivalent.

Edited February 21, 2012 by ferroz

[ferroz]

You are wrong, you can recruit somebody with many methods, one of them is meeting a player in a 5 man and seeing that he's really good. That's how I got into a guild that killed SOA 16 Nightmare fairly early.

There's nothing to stop people from doing this that is intrinsic to cross server lfd.

 

 

Funny, but I just don't see it. You are basing this theory on what exactly? (oh the irony!)

He presents his opinion, clearly marks it as such, and says that both opinions are valid... what exactly about that is ironic?

 

Yes, because you are throwing this "I am paying for it" around it seems, you don't care. You already jumped ships from WoW, probably Rift too, which makes me think that you'd jump from TOR to GW2 without a second thought.

No I'm still playing wow, so I haven't jumped ships. I played eq for ~8 years, and then wow for 5?

 

I have 0 interest in GW2.

 

The LFD callers are usually the ones that quit fairly early, to be honest.

Speculation at best.

[Heranden]

LFD same server tool was a godsend. It just made your community tighter because you saw the same people frequently. We picked up many good guildies with it. Low population servers still had issues.

 

Cross realm LFD did destroy the closeness you felt. But it did make getting in groups faster if you were not a tank. The game became a little worse (my opinion), but it pleased a lot more people.