Tohoku Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule too subjective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooggums Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 No. If you roll on gear I need, without telling me first that you are going to roll on it. I won't be doing the instance with you. I'll stop. "Mommy, I was playing tic tac toe with Jimmy and I needed to win but he won without telling me first!" This is why assuming the gear is YOURS before rolling is the selfish option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 It isn't everyone rolling need on everything. It is anyone rolling need on anything they actually need. Why would I tell anyone before we start what is the standard that is allowed by the game? Should I tell them "hey, I am going to be hitting buttons and doing damage, ok?" If what you are doing is not wrong you should feel comfortable telling others ahead of time. You don't though and we both know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setanian Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 No. If you roll on gear I need, without telling me first that you are going to roll on it. I won't be doing the instance with you. I'll stop. You won't get 2 - 3 more chances on loot that your class (or for that matter your companion) can use. So, it's my business who I play the game with; just the same as it's your business. Groups ask why you rolled on something you personally can't use. Why? Because it's damn hard to put together a group sometimes. Why? Because if I don't benefit from a run in an effective way, I'm not going to do it. That's one less tank in the pool, one less healer. XP? Space dailies. Money? See left. Why am I in the instance? To collect awesome lootz for my character. To help other people collect lootz for their CHARACTER. If your companion gets geared as a side-effect, or because I already have the piece. Fine. Just please, do us all a favor and stick to your guns. Make sure you let your party know of your standpoint on 'need-rolling' for companions. Another person trying to force others to follow his code of practice. You people need to learn you have no right to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Another person trying to force others to follow his code of practice. You people need to learn you have no right to do so. I think you are missing the point. There is no reason to group with you. None. I'd be shooting myself in the foot inviting someone like you. People remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setanian Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 No, I'm reinforcing the status quo. People like you are the minority, and Needing on whatever you darn well feel like is NOT the status quo. Don't look down Who dictates the 'status quo' then? Regardless, the status quo has no effect on my roll choices, unless I am willing to align myself with your greedy 'status quo'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delekii Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 If what you are doing is not wrong you should feel comfortable telling others ahead of time. You don't though and we both know why. It's got nothing to do with whether or not I feel comfortable doing it; I don't make a habit of doing things that are a waste of time. Like I said, the standard imposed BY THE GAME is that you roll what the **** you want to roll. If _YOU_ disagree with it, the onus is on YOU to bring it up. Not the person who follows the implicit mechanics of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoggyMack Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Well, I keep myself fully geared, and I toss my comp a bone now and then, and I have no problem doing the solo content. "Somewhat geared" companion is right - my comps don't need to have the best of the best. They overpowered the companions anyway - greens work fine. That's the way you play. That's not really the way everyone plays. Besides, some people are rolling need to reverse engineer the item for crafting schematics. And others are rolling need because they want to upgrade one of the mods that is removable in some of the items. Are they ninjas too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Who dictates the 'status quo' then? Regardless, the status quo has no effect on my roll choices, unless I am willing to align myself with your greedy 'status quo'. So person A wants to spread the wealth. Person B wants it all to himself. Person A is selfish? lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setanian Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I think you are missing the point. There is no reason to group with you. None. I'd be shooting myself in the foot inviting someone like you. People remember that. More opinion with no fact and irrelevant to the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotaka Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I've booted people from my party who rolled Need on an orange 'for their companion.' I've also booted people who SAID they were going to roll Need, and if I didn't like it I should just kick them now 'because they are the only healer/tank/dps on right now.' I promptly found another Healer/tank/DPS and we proceeded to steamroll the instance, while that guy continued to go 'LFG For <instance Name>' It's really quite simple. If you want to group with me, you will treat your other players with the RESPECT they deserve. And the respect they DESERVE, is that if their character - the one they are ACTIVELY USING TO HELP OUR TEAM - needs the item, they will be able to need it without fear that someone will take it for a pet. The same goes for you, that you have the right because you are part of a team to roll NEED on an item you will NEED for YOUR CHARACTER, not for your PET. People need to get out of their minds that their 'Pet' is their character. You may gear it, but it is not your character, and therefore they need to really stop trying to gear their pets out. That, or accept the long and the short of it. You won't be allowed in my group because I make it clear before we start that you are not rolling Need for your companions. I don't care if you're a Healer, a Tank, or a DPS. Hell, I don't even care if you're Jeesus Incarnate, come back to gear out his pet before the Rapture comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) It's got nothing to do with whether or not I feel comfortable doing it; I don't make a habit of doing things that are a waste of time. Like I said, the standard imposed BY THE GAME is that you roll what the **** you want to roll. If _YOU_ disagree with it, the onus is on YOU to bring it up. Not the person who follows the implicit mechanics of the game. Why not tell others ahead of time? Afraid they won't want to group with you? Obviously you are and for good reason. More opinion with no fact and irrelevant to the topic. I don't think you know what "irrelevant" means... Edited January 15, 2012 by Gohlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delekii Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I think you are missing the point. There is no reason to group with you. None. I'd be shooting myself in the foot inviting someone like you. People remember that. You do. I don't. Big whoop, you don't invite me. I will surely miss you. Don't bioware have 10 gazillion users and nobody has any problem finding groups ever? That's the hocus I've read on the forums today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berronaxftw Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 introduce need before greed..where if it isnt your armor specialisation you cant roll on it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 introduce need before greed..where if it isnt your armor specialisation you cant roll on it.. That's where we will end up which is sad. They have to take control away because some people STILL haven't learned how to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delekii Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Why not tell others ahead of time? Afraid they won't want to group with you? Obviously you are and for good reason. Wow, you are great at making arguments. Keep banging with the hammer until you find a hole that fits? You are imposing your viewpoint that it is a thing that is worth mentioning. To me, it is not. I don't expect someone to tell me that they are going to be adhering to the mechanics of the game, and I don't tell other people in turn; it is superfluous, UNLESS you have a moral standpoint that makes it otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) You do. I don't. Big whoop, you don't invite me. I will surely miss you. Don't bioware have 10 gazillion users and nobody has any problem finding groups ever? That's the hocus I've read on the forums today. I don't know if you're new to the genre or what but you need to learn how to play these games. Wow, you are great at making arguments. Keep banging with the hammer until you find a hole that fits? You are afraid to tell others your intentions, you think that would give you a clue.... Edited January 15, 2012 by Gohlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setanian Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 My opinion? Lol are you in for a rude awakening! You have nothing to base this on, it is without fact, therefore it is your opinion. I am not interested in your opinions. Is this your 1st mmo? Sheesh! For the record it is not. Not-withstanding, it is none of your business and irrelevant to the topic. Again, tell people what you intend to do BEFORE you start and watch what happens. We both know you won't do that though because we both know it's a jerk thing to do. What right have you to dictate to me how I play the game I pay for? Answer, Absolutely none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delekii Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 That's where we will end up which is sad. They have to take control away because some people STILL haven't learned how to share. The irony is that this thread, and all of its proponents, are atleast equally as greedy as its opponents, but cannot see it. People are ALL greedy. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 You have nothing to base this on, it is without fact, therefore it is your opinion. I am not interested in your opinions. Well you have never played endgame in an mmo if you think it is an opinion. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoggyMack Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 That's where we will end up which is sad. That's not at all where this game is going to end up, because of how armor customization works. People will be running some content for modifications because they have orange gear and just need to mod strip an item from some end-game content. People will run some content for gear they want to reverse engineer. People will run some content because one of their companions is a droid and the other wears heavy armor. This game has too many different variables in its loot distribution to effectively use the system that is as restrictive as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delekii Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 You are afraid to tell others your intentions, you think that would give you a clue.... I understand that YOU BELIEVE that it is a thing worth mentioning, because YOU BELIEVE it is morally reprehensible. However, you seem to be unable to see that because I don't agree with you, I don't see it as a thing worth mentioning. Why don't you bring it up a few more times though, make yourself look real smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) That's not at all where this game is going to end up, because of how armor customization works. People will be running some content for modifications because they have orange gear and just need to mod strip an item from some end-game content. People will run some content for gear they want to reverse engineer. People will run some content because one of their companions is a droid and the other wears heavy armor. This game has too many different variables in its loot distribution to effectively use the system that is as restrictive as that. Great example of why loot systems get implemented. So now you are going to reverse engineer drops that someone needs? New mmo players are funny. You'll learn eventually that cooperating gets you a LOT farther than selfishness. I understand that YOU BELIEVE that it is a thing worth mentioning, because YOU BELIEVE it is morally reprehensible. However, you seem to be unable to see that because I don't agree with you, I don't see it as a thing worth mentioning. Why don't you bring it up a few more times though, make yourself look real smart. You know others think it's wrong that's why you are afraid to mention it. That's it. You know they won't take you, and why should they? If it wasn't a jerk thing to do you could be honest about it, but you can't. Lie to yourself until the end of time I don't care. Edited January 15, 2012 by Gohlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plosky Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Wow, the amount of trolls in here is absolutely ridiculous. Players should only be allowed to roll for loot that their CHARACTER can use, not their companion. Their companion can easily be geared with decent gear from leveling and quests. Your companion doesn't need an orange item that some other player in your group will benefit much more from. Quit being selfish and rolling need for companions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attaraxia Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 companion didn't contribute to the group? companion don't get to roll on the gear. simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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