ZeroBacon Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) Question: I'm currently going to use the iron fist spec, but i took out the 2 points in quell and add them to retractable blade and oil slick. My question is, is it good or bad? http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#301GRGbzRroMZMsrMoZb.1 Also, I mainly pvp while i lvl through planets. Can i stack Power > defense > absorbation or should i stack other stats (which stats will make me a good off-tank for FP/ heroics) Edited March 24, 2012 by ZeroBacon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taugrimtaugrim Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 Question: I'm currently going to use the iron fist spec, but i took out the 2 points in quell and add them to retractable blade and oil slick. My question is, is it good or bad? RB has a solid damage-to-mana ratio. Since 1.1.5 went live, I've gone back and forth as to whether it's worth using. Oil Slick is a solid debuff against the right targets that use a lot of Melee or Ranged attacks. Also, I mainly pvp while i lvl through planets. Can i stack Power > defense > absorbation or should i stack other stats (which stats will make me a good off-tank for FP/ heroics) http://taugrim.com/2012/01/04/guide-to-bounty-hunter-powertech-trooper-vanguard-mechanics-and-pvp/#stats Read that first, ask questions after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taugrimtaugrim Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 Just wanted to ask Tau' are you still running with the Iron Fist spec, now that you have dropped Gut/Retractable Blade? I've been playing various specs over the past month, ranging from various Pyrotech to Carolina Parakeet to Iron Fist. About a month ago I got my 4-pc Champion Eliminator, and I have now upgraded to 4-pc BM Eliminator. I'm in the process of grinding out my 4-pc BM Combat Tech as well. I'm hoping to have the full 5/5 BM Eliminator and Combat Tech by 1.2, so I can run various specs and have the pieces for trade-in to War Hero. It's unfortunate that we have to have the BM piece to trade-in for War Hero, but it is what it is. I'm not going to grind out 5/5 BM SC but it is a solid set for PVP tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varicite Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) I've been playing various specs over the past month, ranging from various Pyrotech to Carolina Parakeet to Iron Fist. About a month ago I got my 4-pc Champion Eliminator, and I have now upgraded to 4-pc BM Eliminator. I'm in the process of grinding out my 4-pc BM Combat Tech as well. I'm hoping to have the full 5/5 BM Eliminator and Combat Tech by 1.2, so I can run various specs and have the pieces for trade-in to War Hero. It's unfortunate that we have to have the BM piece to trade-in for War Hero, but it is what it is. I'm not going to grind out 5/5 BM SC but it is a solid set for PVP tanking. I was under the impression that you could simply buy the BM pieces that you were missing (provided you have the appropriate valor rank) when 1.2 rolls around? Is that not how it works? I've had terrible luck on tokens in my bags, so I've just been trying to raise my alts to BM because I thought this was the case. Anyone know? Not only that, but I replaced the terrible BM mods w/ the (better) Champ mods, so when 1.2 rolls around, all of my BM gear is going to be sub-par (mods that you have removed from your BM gear will NOT update to the new 1.2 expertise mods.. if you still have the accuracy mods you replaced, you can put them back into your BM gear and they will update to the new expertise mods for 1.2). I think most of us will be buying new sets of BM gear anyway. (Also, that sniper of yours is mean...) Edited March 26, 2012 by Varicite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) I was under the impression that you could simply buy the BM pieces that you were missing (provided you have the appropriate valor rank) when 1.2 rolls around? Is that not how it works? I've had terrible luck on tokens in my bags, so I've just been trying to raise my alts to BM because I thought this was the case. Anyone know? Not only that, but I replaced the terrible BM mods w/ the (better) Champ mods, so when 1.2 rolls around, all of my BM gear is going to be sub-par (mods that you have removed from your BM gear will NOT update to the new 1.2 expertise mods.. if you still have the accuracy mods you replaced, you can put them back into your BM gear and they will update to the new expertise mods for 1.2). I think most of us will be buying new sets of BM gear anyway. (Also, that sniper of yours is mean...) BM gear requires no valor rank post 1.2. BM pieces are bought with regular WZ commendations after 1.2 also. BM commendations become useless when 1.2 hits. Edited March 26, 2012 by Theology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exphryl Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 BM gear requires no valor rank post 1.2. BM pieces are bought with regular WZ commendations after 1.2 also. BM commendations become useless when 1.2 hits. They are still used to purchase some type of crafting component. I haven't read much in to what those things are for though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varicite Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 They are still used to purchase some type of crafting component. I haven't read much in to what those things are for though. Ah, thanks guys. I'll need to read up on it a bit more carefully before 1.2 hits. I guess I should get back to farming BM bags for 0 tokens till then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobb Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Well at least switch from WSAD to EDSF, your left hand has better reach there to more keyboard real estate. I can't believe I hadn't thought of that. 2-3 more keys with my pinkie, and another column within reach of my index finger. Z, X, and C are already remapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnugthreeonefive Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Taugrim, if you happen to still be dabbling in SWTOR PvP, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we'd love to see your guide updated. If not, cya next game! =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrunkShizzle Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 http://taugrim.com/2012/04/13/swtor-pvp-in-1-2-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ im sure taugrim is to busy pvping rofl... more like to busy being a part of the spoiled brat wow crowd complaining about the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theology Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 http://taugrim.com/2012/04/13/swtor-pvp-in-1-2-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ im sure taugrim is to busy pvping rofl... more like to busy being a part of the spoiled brat wow crowd complaining about the game Super mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taugrimtaugrim Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 Taugrim, if you happen to still be dabbling in SWTOR PvP, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we'd love to see your guide updated. If not, cya next game! =) Give me some time. I'm still working through different specs. There has been a bug reported that one of the ticks for Plasma Cell (Combustible Gas Cylinder) is missing: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=3873460#edit3873460 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varicite Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) Give me some time. I'm still working through different specs. There has been a bug reported that one of the ticks for Plasma Cell (Combustible Gas Cylinder) is missing: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=3873460#edit3873460 Is this why you haven't been killing me on your sniper anymore? : ) The first tick is the one missing, huh? That's.. the most important one. :c more like to busy being a part of the spoiled brat wow crowd complaining about the game Heh, because we all know that 1.2 was absolutely perfect in every way. Right. Edited April 18, 2012 by Varicite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taugrimtaugrim Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) 1st pass update to the Guide for 1.2 has been done:http://taugrim.com/2012/01/04/guide-to-bounty-hunter-powertech-trooper-vanguard-mechanics-and-pvp/ Let me know if I missed anything. Also, beware of "false" Accelerator procs if you are a Pyrotech. They're evil! Edited April 18, 2012 by taugrimtaugrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rischardo Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) 1st pass update to the Guide for 1.2 has been done: http://taugrim.com/2012/01/04/guide-to-bounty-hunter-powertech-trooper-vanguard-mechanics-and-pvp/ Let me know if I missed anything. Taugrim, thanks for your guide, I've learned a lot when I first started PvPing. However, I think you might have missed something: "Grapple (Harpoon) which has a 45 sec cooldown, 35 sec with Advanced Tools (Tactical Tools). You can add a 3-sec root effect with the tanking tree talent No Escape (Defensive Measures). Keep in mind the root effect builds Resolve" I don't think the root builds resolve, grapple/harpoon builds resolve regardless if it is talented or not. This is why you can't grapple people with full resolve even when you don't have no escape. Also, I'm fairly certain other roots/snares don't build resolve as well. Also, since Ion Gas Cylinder is broken right now (not doing the damage that it should be), you might want to consider taking the point out of Supercharged Ion Gas and putting it into oil slick. Just my two cents. But as always, great guide! Edited April 19, 2012 by Rischardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taugrimtaugrim Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 Taugrim, thanks for your guide, I've learned a lot when I first started PvPing. However, I think you might have missed something: "Grapple (Harpoon) which has a 45 sec cooldown, 35 sec with Advanced Tools (Tactical Tools). You can add a 3-sec root effect with the tanking tree talent No Escape (Defensive Measures). Keep in mind the root effect builds Resolve" I don't think the root builds resolve, grapple/harpoon builds resolve regardless if it is talented or not. This is why you can't grapple people with full resolve even when you don't have no escape. Also, I'm fairly certain other roots/snares don't build resolve as well. Woops, thanks for that catch. The pull builds 400 Resolve. The root effect, like all roots and snares, does not build Resolve. IIRC you can't pull a white-barred (Resolve immune) opponent, but you can still root them with the pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taugrimtaugrim Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 Added links to 31/10/0 tank spec: - Powertech: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#301GRGb0RroGRZMcRM.1 - Vanguard: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#801GRGb0RroGRZMcRM.1 Patch 1.2 Tank: 31/10/0 provides charge, Guard, solid melee capability, and excellent durability via passive mitigation. Limited ranged capability. In 1.2, Heat Blast (Energy Blast) was removed from the GCD. Empowered Tech (Counterattack) increases the chance to proc Shield Vents (Shield Cycler) and Flame Shield (Static Shield) to improve DPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Githanis Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Just wondering if Iron Fist is still viable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnugthreeonefive Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 IIRC you can't pull a white-barred (Resolve immune) opponent, but you can still root them with the pull. Negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grafon Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Just wondering if Iron Fist is still viable? Also interested in this. I have still been using the Ironfist spec and cannot tell if my decrease in performance is due to not having full war hero like everyone else, or something being changed with the specs effectiveness. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dacce Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Just wondering if Iron Fist is still viable? Ironfist will still be viable until 1.3 lands. The nerf to your bread and butter rocket punch is not counteracted by the free flame sweep you would pick up. So you could be better off going further up a different tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DacRycar Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Indeed. Alas, the great Iron Fist has joined the Carolina Parakeet in extinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Githanis Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Here is my free in-depth Guide to Powertech Mechanics and PVP: http://taugrim.com/2012/01/04/guide-to-bounty-hunter-powertech-trooper-vanguard-mechanics-and-pvp/ Let me know your feedback / questions, either here or on my blog. I'll be updating it multiple times a week on my blog, and I'll be posting significant content changes here. Look forward to dialoguing with you! Is this thread even viable to the community anymore? I'm assuming the OP no longer plays SWTOR, therefore would not be updating his blog with any pertinent information. If that is the case I feel this thread should be "unstuck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taugrimtaugrim Posted July 1, 2012 Author Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) Indeed. Alas, the great Iron Fist has joined the Carolina Parakeet in extinction. Indeed. Given the current mechanics, I recommend running Pyrotech (Assault Specialist) or Advanced Prototype (Tactics). If you are set on tanking, you can run a 31-pt spec but understand that your damage output is going to be limited. Edited July 1, 2012 by taugrimtaugrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGhoulFemi Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Can somebody in simple words explain why iron fist now is so bad? because i m a german and so english isnt so easy. thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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