Dungeon Finder Needed Badly.

[Yfelsung]

Why would you ever play it like that?

 

You have nobody to blame but yourself for this.

 

I don't play like that.

 

But the LFD tool makes everyone else play like it's an assembly line.

 

The LFD tool means kids will play MMOs and never know the joy of having a guild that is almost 10 years old.

 

They won't get to know people so well that they can run a dungeon with these people by instinct.

 

When an add comes in, I don't have to yell to my buddy Tom on vent to tell him to grab the add, he already grabbed it.

 

We go into PvP and we don't need to strategize beforehand, we know our strategies, they are strategies that have been perfected over 10 years of gaming together.

 

The new generation of MMO gamers will never know that joy because of functions like the LFD tool.

[Gohlar]

Dual Spec and LFD was a bane on WoW's existence and contributed to a LOT of players leaving.

 

I know an entire guild that went to WoW .. enjoyed it .. then left when the Dual Spec and LFD and a few other things made the game, in their guild leader's word's, "a ridiculous, elitist community split by those that know (how every single mechanic/dungeon works) and those that don't" ...

 

This makes absolutely no sense lol.

 

I don't play like that.

 

But the LFD tool makes everyone else play like it's an assembly line.

 

You assume too much. The game is what you make of it. In reality little changed. It's mostly just in your head.

 

The best experiences are with your friends/guild and pugs are a mixed bag. Same as always.

Edited January 1, 2012 by Gohlar

[alkanterah]

We do have one in game already. It just needs to be improved. That can't be refuted by anyone.

 

I did, several pages ago. I do concede that it's better than nothing, but it doesn't quite do the job. Even if improved it doesn't solve the problem of there being far far more followers than leaders in MMOG's.

Edited January 1, 2012 by alkanterah

[carnac_fett]

Dual Spec and LFD was a bane on WoW's existence and contributed to a LOT of players leaving.

 

I know an entire guild that went to WoW .. enjoyed it .. then left when the Dual Spec and LFD and a few other things made the game, in their guild leader's word's, "a ridiculous, elitist community split by those that know (how every single mechanic/dungeon works) and those that don't" ...

 

Sounds like their guild leader was the elitist one for leaving because the game became more accessible to casual players.

[Breeti]

Here we go again!

 

Fun times.

[Gohlar]

Here we go again!

 

Fun times.

 

Yep.

 

The end result is always the same too. LFD!

[DrDismemberment]

Bioware should keep out the dungeon finder period.

[Zmidponk]

It's not only well explained, it's not well implemented. It only shows the first 100 results. I often don't even see my own name when I have my tag on.

 

So it filters you so you don't try and group with yourself. What's the problem with that, exactly?

 

EDIT:And I should say that, yes, only showing the first 100 results is a problem, but that could be solved by tweaking the tool, rather than replacing it. Say, add an option to filter by level range.

 

EDIT 2:Actually, I've just gone in-game and checked something - you can already do that. Instead of searching for just 'LFG', you search for, say, 'LFG 45-50' to search for people levels 45-50.

 

Secondly when you do group, your tag doesn't turn off so often when you see people with a LFG comment by their name they're already grouped or have given up and don't want to any more.

 

Frankly, this is more evidence that it's not psychic, rather than badly implemented, unless you think there's some way the game could realise you've given up looking for a group or that you think you have a large enough group other than you unflagging yourself as LFG.

 

You rarely if ever see more than one person who bothers to use it anyhow.

 

That's an exaggeration, but usage of it is far lower than it really should be, yes. This is why, as I've already said, Bioware need to make it more obvious it's there, and how to use it.

 

If it were improved then it would be great, not as efficient as something automatic but I'd take it over spamming a chat channel.

 

But it doesn't solve the problem of there being far more people looking for a group than people who are willing to create one.

 

So what you're saying is there's a large number of people who, if they were looking for a group, and received a whisper from someone asking for an invite, they would refuse to send one? I have come across people like that, but my experience is that, by far, they're the minority. Even then, that's solved by sending them an invite - unless you're also one of the ones who refuse to create a group, even though you're looking for one.

Edited January 1, 2012 by Zmidponk

[KrelosDarksky]

 

People like to pretend that WoW only developed an awful community after LFD came out. It helps their points when they argue on the internet. Unfortunately, it is blatant misinformation.

 

Wow developed the elitist community of locust-like players who go from game to game showing how uber leet their pixels are then complaining that the latest game doesn't meet their standards because it doesn't conform to the mechanics that make those players able to flaunt their uber pixel.

 

And "blatant misinformation"? So far you're the only person I've seen lie in this thread.

 

Thankfully EVERY MMO has not had a LFD tool. Off the top of my head I can tell you SWG did not EVER have one ... but then again, SWG only lasted EIGHT FRAKKIN YEARS

 

 

 

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Edited January 1, 2012 by KrelosDarksky

[Yfelsung]

I don't understand. Can you explain how you are prevented from having friends and a family-like guild when there is an LFD system? I don't see any feature in the game that blocks you from doing so. I think you're mistaken. It would take some serious hardware to block people from making friends and joining good guilds. Might even take magic voodoo powers.

 

My best experience with a guild came long after WoW introduced an LFD system.

 

All an LFD system does is make it so that not EVERYONE needs an amazing guild like yours to do group content.

 

If the real issue is you're upset that other people are doing the same thing you're doing but faster and easier, then you're just the equivalent of a kid crying in a sandbox over some other kid's toys.

 

It's about the mentality it creates.

 

Nothing is preventing a family in our modern culture from sitting down and having a good old-fashioned family meal, but our society has created a situation where that rarely happens because our society has changed the very way we think. We eat fast, we're on the move. Nothing's stopping us from slowing down, but we don't because we get caught up in how society works.

 

The LFD does the same thing. It doesn't prevent people from having awesome, long term guilds, but it CREATES A MENTALITY of "queue, kill boss, lewt, queue, kill boss, lewt".

 

Sometimes you have to look at what something will create outside of itself to determine if it's good or not for the community.

 

A wall doesn't prevent a person from getting to the other side if they really want to, but most people walk around that wall because it's easier.

 

Making things easier is not always necessarily a good thing.

[carnac_fett]

Wow developed the elitist community of locust-like players who go from game to game showing how uber leet their pixels are then complaining that the latest game doesn't meet their standards because it doesn't conform to the mechanics that make those players able to flaunt their uber pixel.

 

And "blatant misinformation"? So far you're the only person I've seen lie in this thread.

 

Thankfully EVERY MMO has not had a LFD tool. Off the top of my head I can tell you SWG did not EVER have one ... but then again, SWG only lasted EIGHT FRAKKIN YEARS

 

 

 

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Are you like fifteen or something? I don't understand what you're saying. Your reply has nothing to do with the text you quoted from my post.

[Envenra]

I rather be more social and stand waiting to gather people for a specific flashpoint, than using the group tool. You get more friends and become more socialised.

 

Those who WANT it, are players that wants to be max level as soon as possible OR just impatient people that do not give a **** about socialising in a MMO game.

[Gohlar]

It's about the mentality it creates.

 

 

You keep saying you know how everyone thinks. You should probably stop doing that. The mentality of your average WoW player was no different in Vanilla/TBC believe me.

[artilleryshell]

I don't see what a dungeon finder has to do with the destruction of community. Can you elaborate on your strange comment?

 

if the dungeon finder is multi-server, it adds a layer of annonyimity, and removes accountability from each player on the group, so if the tank decides to bail after his drop dosent drop, you cant let the community know he's a pile of garbage.

 

If it is on server, i see no community destruction risk.

[Gohlar]

I rather be more social and stand waiting to gather people for a specific flashpoint, than using the group tool. You get more friends and become more socialised.

 

Those who WANT it, are players that wants to be max level as soon as possible OR just impatient people that do not give a **** about socialising in a MMO game.

 

Local server tools are probably one of the best relationship building things a game could possibly implement.

 

I liked cross server fine, but it's true you don't make long term friends because you can't play with them again so I get that.

 

There is no reason not to have a local tool though. Also, avoid the dramatics, it only hurts your arguments.

Edited January 1, 2012 by Gohlar

[JimG]

People really need to stop making new threads about this. There are plenty of existing threads and the general discussion forums are just being cluttered up. All the LFG people do not need to each start their own duplicate thread requesting this.

 

If you're having trouble finding dungeons, it may be because TOR has no dungeons, lol. Not buying your pros/cons though. A LFG tool will not increase the number of players looking for a specific heroic or flashpoint. It just makes it so people don't have to engage in the monumental task of forming a group and inviting other players. Saving general chat? That's a laugh. General chat is usually nothing but drivel anyway and if general chat is being spammed with people LFG then there shouldn't be any trouble finding groups. That's probably my favorite argument.....we can't find groups because too many people are broadcasting in general chat that they are looking for groups.......ok, right. And I'm not in a guild and have no trouble finding or starting groups so there goes the OP's claim on that too.

[carnac_fett]

It's about the mentality it creates.

 

Nothing is preventing a family in our modern culture from sitting down and having a good old-fashioned family meal, but our society has created a situation where that rarely happens because our society has changed the very way we think. We eat fast, we're on the move. Nothing's stopping us from slowing down, but we don't because we get caught up in how society works.

 

The LFD does the same thing. It doesn't prevent people from having awesome, long term guilds, but it CREATES A MENTALITY of "queue, kill boss, lewt, queue, kill boss, lewt".

 

So basically you're asking Bioware to stand on principle?

 

People want what people want. If they don't want to eat their veggies, they won't.

 

"I know you want to do this but I'm going to force you to do this instead, because it's good for you," isn't going to fly these days.

[WarTornPanda]

I rather be more social and stand waiting to gather people for a specific flashpoint, than using the group tool. You get more friends and become more socialised.

 

Those who WANT it, are players that wants to be max level as soon as possible OR just impatient people that do not give a **** about socialising in a MMO game.

 

People are still clinging to this lame excuse?

 

Nothing about spamming chat with "LFM" is socializing. Sorry.

[Yfelsung]

You keep saying you know how everyone thinks. You should probably stop doing that. The mentality of your average WoW player was no different in Vanilla/TBC believe me.

 

You must have been on a terrible server, as the difference between my WoW server before x-realm BG queues and the LFD system vs what it was like after was NIGHT AND DAY.

 

An LFD system creates a sense of anonymity. You can act like an *** and get away with it because you can just hit the queue button again.

 

When you have no choice but socialization, you'll find people are a lot nicer because if they act like an ***, they get blacklisted by entire guild alliances and suddenly can't do any content.

 

Pre-TBC, my server drove people off our server for acting like asses.

 

In an LFD system, that becomes much less possible.

 

And yes, acting like an *** should have consequences that include eventually being forced to reroll on a different server.

[carnac_fett]

I rather be more social and stand waiting to gather people for a specific flashpoint, than using the group tool. You get more friends and become more socialised.

 

Incorrect. Spamming "LF2M for Hammer Station, Need Healer" is not socialising.

 

"Hello all, how are you?" is socialising. You can type out this sentence regardless of whether you formed the group by spamming the same thing over and over for half-an-hour or more, or pressing a button to be queued into a group.

Edited January 1, 2012 by carnac_fett

[Shillen]

That's an argument against general chat, not one for the LFG tool.

 

A game with a good community would forsake world/zone spanning channels all together.

 

This would mean you MUST socialize and befriend people.

 

A lot of today's MMO players didn't play in the golden age of MMOs, where people made long term friendships and sometimes even met their future wives/husbands.

 

Two of my best gaming friends met online, moved in together and have now been married for 5+ years.

 

That kind of stuff doesn't happen in modern MMOs because of the push for LFD tools, world spanning LFG channels and other such community destroying mechanics.

 

There was a time when people used /say to talk to each other in MMOs, and it was a beautiful time.

 

Stop living in your pipe dream. This type of thing was possible 10 years ago. People are not like that online anymore. It has nothing to do with the game or the way in which you find dungeons. People play MMO's casually now, they don't live there.

[Gohlar]

Nobody is talking to me.

 

I'm not making anyone mad.

[KrelosDarksky]

 

People like to pretend that WoW only developed an awful community after LFD came out. It helps their points when they argue on the internet. Unfortunately, it is blatant misinformation.

 

Wow developed the elitist community of locust-like players who go from game to game showing how uber leet their pixels are then complaining that the latest game doesn't meet their standards because it doesn't conform to the mechanics that make those players able to flaunt their uber pixel.

 

And "blatant misinformation"? So far you're the only person I've seen lie in this thread.

 

Thankfully EVERY MMO has not had a LFD tool. Off the top of my head I can tell you SWG did not EVER have one ... but then again, SWG only lasted EIGHT FRAKKIN YEARS

 

 

 

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Are you like fifteen or something? I don't understand what you're saying. Your reply has nothing to do with the text you quoted from my post.

 

LOL... you must be 9yo if you can't comprehend what I said.

 

It has EVERYTHING to do with what I quoted.

 

ROFLMAO

[Yfelsung]

So basically you're asking Bioware to stand on principle?

 

People want what people want. If they don't want to eat their veggies, they won't.

 

"I know you want to do this but I'm going to force you to do this instead, because it's good for you," isn't going to fly these days.

 

But so far it is flying, as Bioware said as of now they have no plans for an LFD tool.

 

This means they understand that giving the children what they want isn't always what's best for them.

 

And it's not like you're some overwhelming majority. For every 1 pro-LFD post there's at least 1 anti-LFD post.

[carnac_fett]

 

An LFD system creates a sense of anonymity. You can act like an *** and get away with it because you can just hit the queue button again.

 

When you have no choice but socialization, you'll find people are a lot nicer because if they act like an ***, they get blacklisted by entire guild alliances and suddenly can't do any content.

 

I don't see the difference, though. If someone who you recruited by spamming general chat is a jerk, you boot him from the group and block him so you never deal with him again. If someone who ended up in your group via an LFD system is a jerk, you boot him from the group and block him so you never deal with him again. In both scenarios, you can even go around the world telling people not to group with the guy.