Grade 7 Space Missions TOO HARD!

[Stradlin]

To be fair, the fact that Jackie is aware the GSF forum exists is still kind of a step up from where we were before

 

If only the glorious if brief visit of this thread to GSF forums had happened in February... Then, it would have passed as a six year anniversary since last BW post on those forums I think.

 

Six years of nothing, then GSF forums are graced with an explanation about difficulty curve of pve space shooter. Bwahahahhaah:D

 

I have actually managed to complete 3/6 of the heroic missions today after hitting my head against a wall for several hours

 

 

See, happy endings and all! Completing three heroic space missions for the first time just few hrs apart is actually pretty impressive. Admit it, you pretty glad these missions bloodied your nose a bit at 1st? Tough content creates stories and memories for ppl beating it! Once you mastered em all, start doing GSF, thats where the real fun is to be had!

 

Not only did you beat the missions, but GSF community will forever venerate you as the Harbringer of BW poster to GSF forums. We never realized it takes posting about railshooter to make that happen!! Were these missions a walk in the park, you would have never made this thread. Thus, this thread with its fancy shiny BW poster tag would have never spend blessed two hours illuminating the darkness of GSF section!

 

All admittedly bitter joking aside, this is what tough gameplay does! It creates stories and memories.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Stradlin

[SeCKSEgai]

But this is a L2P issue.

 

What you have to do is watch another people vids from those heroics, figure out why they do what they do and then just do this yourself. Or figure out by yourself, make your route and take your cup of dopamine because you would truly achieve this reputation.

Which is not needed anywhere in the game, has nothing to do with the story and is meaningless in any way except for earning the legacy title. Heh.

 

Edit: aye, the Gearhead achievement. Probably it is called achievement for a reason? It's like all those people who buy Crests and NiM titles, still knowing little to no about their classes or even specs and struggling to complete a MM FP being with Dread Master title, Crest and on Wings. Which leads us to hundreds of threads like "please nerf something supposedly overtuned". Like this one.

 

One thing GSF has going for it - It's at LEAST MORE POPULAR than this mode.

 

I put off getting my 100% for what, 5 years....

 

So, not only is it an unpopular mode (making even GSF look good) but the rewards aren't all that rewarding and the difficulty spikes up insanely to the point where its like the old game dragon's lair -- where you're no longer reacting to the situation as it happens so much as you have to know exactly what to do or fail.

 

When I first came back a few months ago, I was shocked to learn that story mode was so simplified that you no longer had a 5 minute battle rez. Clearly they recognized their playerbase was struggling to have to go to that extreme.

 

Yet then they throw in stuff like mm kotet/kotfe where you basically need to run as a tank to compensate for the damage buffs. Space Missions are already unpleasant as they are (for most) and then the difficulty scaling goes crazy but the reward does not.

[DarkTergon]

Probably it's not for you? You can do great at another aspects of the game for sure. Stick to those and enjoy, why struggle with this pointless railshooter?

 

Because there are achievements for it, titles, etc. And unlike every other mode, no matter how bad you are at these modes, you can still join a team, and get carried through them, whether you buy the run, or have good friends. These are the ONLY missions you can do that with. The ONLY part of the game with titles, etc that you HAVE to do solo. And if you've a disability , you are basically DISCRIMIATING against them by saying it's and L2P issue and should just <redacted> off and play something else. Which is basically what you just told the other poster.

[DarkTergon]

Are you really comparing the highest and most dangerous mountain in the world where even the most experienced climber can still die if they do one wrong step to a pixel gameplay mode where all you have to do is press Q and E fast enough to avoid getting hit? Stop being so delusional and melodramatic, at least once.

 

They are definitely doable for everyone with the right ship-equipment and at least a little practice as the Poster above already stated, because it gets extremely easy when the ship components are on par with the mission level.

 

Had to re-reply to this, my apologise to the mods. I've re-edited it to remove the offending words.

 

"because it's not that simple, and if you've read the other 50 odd posts about this you'd see why.

The reason I used Everest is the show the arrogance of people who use the offensive 'Learn to play' excuse, just because they can do something, others can't.

 

As I said there are many reason why people have difficulty with grade 7 missions, people don't need bigoted people, who do not understand disabilities, spouting the same rubbish every time it is brought up.

 

I'm sure there are many things people find easy to do that you would struggle with, even though it may seem simple to them, and all the youtube videos in the world won't make you any better at it."

[JackieKo]

This is the Galactic Starfighter subforum. This thread has nothing to do with GSF in... well, any way. Why did you put it here? It's doubly insulting given that we have a thread here as well as a thread in suggestions trying to get dev attention on a pretty important issue. That you would have had to see at the top, since it was the last thing we were discussing here.

 

A lot of people doubt our threads ever get read and I'm not sure what to tell them at this point.

 

Someone kindly let me know that I moved it to the wrong sub-forum and I thanked them for the message. It was a mistake on my part and I rectified it as soon as soon as I could.

 

 

Do you actually play the game? Have you encountered this issue, or are you quoting devs who either haven't done it, or are hard core players, so stuff like this is meaningless. The biggest issues is, these missions are considered 'Heroic' yet, unlike every other heroic missions, you cannot invite someone to help, there are no other areas where you can do a harder mode, without inviting others. There are many reason why people have issues with this, and yet, you continue to put forward that it's a LTP issue.

 

I do play the game, but I haven't gotten to this particular point of it yet. A question was asked and I was able to find an answer for it, so I responded. Conversations that happen afterward is feedback that I can gather. I read as much as I can from all the pockets of the community and do my best to respond in ways that can be helpful for players, show that someone on the team is active in the forums, and that we are doing our best to keep communication open. I don't see my post as meaningless.

[DakhathKilrathi]

Someone kindly let me know that I moved it to the wrong sub-forum and I thanked them for the message. It was a mistake on my part and I rectified it as soon as soon as I could.

 

I appreciate that you moved it to a more appropriate place. I know that might have seemed a bit harsh, but it can be frustrating to try to get attention on something and then see a yellow post on a game mode that even fewer people play, and then moved to the wrong forum.

 

The running joke in the GSF community is that Bioware forgets (or wants to forget) that GSF exists sometimes. Stuff like that can feel a bit like rubbing it in. Mistakes happen, though, and you're still pretty new to it. Thanks for listening.

Edited January 22, 2021 by DakhathKilrathi

[Jesseriah]

[blablabla]... and yet, you continue to put forward that it's a LTP issue.

 

Because it is a LTP issue.

Edited January 22, 2021 by Jesseriah

[TrixxieTriss]

I do play the game, but I haven't gotten to this particular point of it yet. A question was asked and I was able to find an answer for it, so I responded. Conversations that happen afterward is feedback that I can gather. I read as much as I can from all the pockets of the community and do my best to respond in ways that can be helpful for players, show that someone on the team is active in the forums, and that we are doing our best to keep communication open. I don't see my post as meaningless.

 

Nothing wrong with your post. You can only post what you’ve been told or experienced yourself. And as you’re personally not up to those lvl of missions yet, you had to go with what was relayed to you,

 

Im glad you responded back to the criticism and it didn’t scare you off. Please, please don’t lets us scare you off from posting. We appreciate the communication even if we don’t always agree.

 

That said, I think when you personally reach the higher lvl of doing the space missions, you might have one of those “ah hah moments” when you try playing them for the first time

Edited January 22, 2021 by TrixxieTriss

[TheXterminator]

Yes, they are difficult, but they're static. Part of the fun is failing them over and over until you get it right. Are you using all four ship abilities? Do you have them keybound so you can continue firing at a target while you use them? Using them strategically at specific points in the mission is required in grade 7 missions.

 

I finally got around to completing them a few months ago, and it was great fun. I have a few perfect runs (all bonuses) uploaded to YouTube in case you want to see the solution and replicate it, and I'm sure there are plenty more videos of them with alternate solutions too.

Edited January 22, 2021 by TheXterminator

[Deadbladey]

Someone kindly let me know that I moved it to the wrong sub-forum and I thanked them for the message. It was a mistake on my part and I rectified it as soon as soon as I could.

 

 

 

 

I do play the game, but I haven't gotten to this particular point of it yet. A question was asked and I was able to find an answer for it, so I responded. Conversations that happen afterward is feedback that I can gather. I read as much as I can from all the pockets of the community and do my best to respond in ways that can be helpful for players, show that someone on the team is active in the forums, and that we are doing our best to keep communication open. I don't see my post as meaningless.

 

I have another question is it a bug that the grade 7 Beam Charger is so weak in comparison to the grade 6 version? 50 Ship Toughness seems like a lot to lose for 10 more Damage

 

I have managed to complete 4/6 of the grade 7 missions now but really struggling with the last 2 because I keep ramming into the big obstacles scattered around everywhere...

Edited January 22, 2021 by Deadbladey

[DarkTergon]

I don't see my post as meaningless. [/color]

 

 

First of all, my apologies, that was not what I meant, your post are most welcome and meaningful. I knew what I was saying in my head, but translated it badly . What I meant to say, to the hard core players, the missions were meaningless, as in easy for them, and they can do it with ease.

If you can, try the missions, and then the hard ones, you will see what people are saying about the scale in difference, then try to see if from the perspective of a person with a disability.

[DarkTergon]

Because it is a LTP issue.

 

I can see you have no empathy or understanding of people with difficulties, and everything for you is perfect & easy. If only real life was like that for everyone. But instead there are people with real difficulties, and real issues, and some of them play this game, and some of them have difficulty.

[HKtheindomitable]

I can see you have no empathy or understanding of people with difficulties, and everything for you is perfect & easy. If only real life was like that for everyone. But instead there are people with real difficulties, and real issues, and some of them play this game, and some of them have difficulty.

 

They're not wrong. The frustration is real. However, you're not supposed to do it once and get it 100%. It's not a handout. It's very specific. It's the way all games used to be, and it's the way GOOD games are even today, which is what makes people good gamers. NOBODY did it and got it 100% the first, second, or fifth time. Some of us took 20 times. Some many more. Some of us can get it 100% most of the time, but not every time. It's absolutely a "try, try, try again" and "LTP" issue.

 

You can do it. To beat them, you need to keep trying, remember the patterns, get the top ship gear. Keep trying so you can identify when stuff happens so you can be in the right position and know when things happen and when and what to fire. There is zero RNG with them, so there's nothing that is ever unexpected. Get that top ship gear. I forget off hand if it's all crafted, or part crafting and part vendor. Either way, it's super easy to get and super cheap. You don't have any issues that nobody else that's completed it doesn't have.

[DarkTergon]

They're not wrong. The frustration is real. However, you're not supposed to do it once and get it 100%. It's not a handout. It's very specific. It's the way all games used to be, and it's the way GOOD games are even today, which is what makes people good gamers. NOBODY did it and got it 100% the first, second, or fifth time. Some of us took 20 times. Some many more. Some of us can get it 100% most of the time, but not every time. It's absolutely a "try, try, try again" and "LTP" issue.

 

You can do it. To beat them, you need to keep trying, remember the patterns, get the top ship gear. Keep trying so you can identify when stuff happens so you can be in the right position and know when things happen and when and what to fire. There is zero RNG with them, so there's nothing that is ever unexpected. Get that top ship gear. I forget off hand if it's all crafted, or part crafting and part vendor. Either way, it's super easy to get and super cheap. You don't have any issues that nobody else that's completed it doesn't have.

 

I wish it was just a L2P issue, but there are people who can't follow the pattern, because of visual issues, or can't move quick enough, because of physical issues, etc. I'm not saying, hand out everything to everyone who just logs in, but at least give them green rep for the easier missions, so they can work towards the goal of maxing the rep, every other rep, ahs green rep in easy missions, every other rep has missions where you can invite people to help, this is the one place, where you are truly alone.

[ChrisSchmidt]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Thanks!

-Chris

 

[Deadbladey]

I wish it was just a L2P issue, but there are people who can't follow the pattern, because of visual issues, or can't move quick enough, because of physical issues, etc. I'm not saying, hand out everything to everyone who just logs in, but at least give them green rep for the easier missions, so they can work towards the goal of maxing the rep, every other rep, ahs green rep in easy missions, every other rep has missions where you can invite people to help, this is the one place, where you are truly alone.

 

Yeah I have an guildmate with Muscular Dystrophy I can imagine he is not gonna have a fun time trying to do these heroic space missions in their current state. YES!! please make green reputation be added to all of the easier daily missions

Edited January 22, 2021 by Deadbladey

[Darthjantom]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Thanks!

-Chris

 

That is good to hear, I haven't even got full grade 7 gear yet to do the heroic ones, farming for fleet commendations & reputation is just taking so long. Sure I could do Galactic Starfighter for Fleet Commendations, but I have no interest in PVP and to be honest I don't understand why a PVE currency is tied to PVP anyways.

The rewards for the space missions themselves do not seem very balanced, especially with the later (non-heroic) space missions taking like 6-7 minutes each to complete.

[DarkTergon]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Thanks!

-Chris

 

 

thank you, that is good news

[Randor]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Thanks!

-Chris

 

 

Chris, Jackie: from the bottom of my heart, I can't thank you enough for this. I got a bit misty even reading it. 200 days of time played on my character, roughly 8 years of only one Tirsa missing from the 'Gearhead' title achievement, and I finally can see the light.

 

From a real life gearhead to you & Jackie that cannot, for the life of them, get a hold on flight gaming..... I thank you. <3

[Damask_Rose]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Thanks!

-Chris

 

 

This is the best thing I've heard in a long time!

[LJ_Gibbs]

this is the best thing i've heard in a long time!

 

**soon**

[LasagnaSurfer]

Hey Deadbladey,

The Grade 7 Missions are intended to be challenging especially for players who have mastered everything in the Grade 5 Mission. You are meant to have almost max level ship gear and have knowledge of when to strategically use your abilities. However, there is little to no RNG, so that will help with planning your route and trying new techniques tp complete the mission. While Grade 7 is the most challenging piece of content for this mode of the game, it is definitely doable with the right gear and strategies.

 

They are far too hard. I have max space rep but I did it the hard way and never was able to complete a single heroic not even once even with the best ship components possible and all the other achievements done. They are overtuned and have always been. They rely on memorizing a route, not on actually reacting to what you see on the screen because in many of the encounters you don't know what to do to avoid dying if your already used your shield and it's on cool down.

 

Have you @jackieko beat any of them?

[Hudlar]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Thanks!

-Chris

 

 

Wow--I'm so happy to hear this! I enjoy doing the on-rails space missions for a change of pace, but my reflexes are way too slow for the heroic missions. It's great that the hard missions are there for people who enjoy them, but I'd love to eventually make it through the reputation track by doing the lower-level missions.

[Darittha]

Ive farmed the reputation ages ago without doing heroic missions, recently however ive come back to it just for fun and im glad the heroic missions are so hard, more fun that way.

 

->however i dont get the rotation of the heroic missions in the terminal on the personal starship - from the little ive seen, each day i have 1 heroic mission there for 40 fleet comms, blue rep.item, but sometimes theres a mission needing 2 heroic missions that gives 80 comms and purple rep.item ->whats the rotation there? and what about other missions like Jabiim Escort for example are those weekly?

[TrixxieTriss]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Thanks!

-Chris

 

 

Thanks ChrisS, that’s awesome