Grade 7 Space Missions TOO HARD!

[Deadbladey]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Thanks!

-Chris

 

 

Thanks Chris and Jackie for your responses

 

-insert victory gif here-

Edited January 23, 2021 by Deadbladey

[mike_carton]

I'm glad to see an acknowledgement by BW that there's an issue here. A little bit more of a promise than to merely "look into" (by an unspecified timeframe) would've been nice, though.

 

Better than nothing, certainly. Credit to Jackie for carrying Vox Populi to the powers-that-be?

[merovejec]

Hi all - we really appreciate the discussion! I wanted to let you know we're going to take a look at Reputation rewards for Grade 5 and below missions for a future update.

 

Oh great, I appreciate you looking at the forums, but the nefring of old stuff needs to stop!! What was the point of many of us spending months in getting the rep when you now make it piss easy??

[merovejec]

I roll 90% of the time and still get smashed by lasers. I do more rolling than shooting and I still die.

 

You really must be doing it wrong.

 

Why would those people CARE?

 

I do CARE! I know at least 2 people whom I asked and care too.

 

Because it is content from years ago and should be easier to do at this point

 

Thats silly. You are maybe used from WoW where you can now one-man the old raids, but this is way different. This needs to stay up to date as nothing surrounding it has changed.

 

And what if someone has done this... and failed HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of times? As people have said... nothing else single player in this game is even moderately this difficult.

 

Well I honestly dont know. Maybe you are not destined for it. Ask someone for help maybe, friend, kid whomever, I can make a video now of how i would do this after many many years of not doing it.

 

do play the game, but I haven't gotten to this particular point of it yet.

 

You should try it, its fun!

 

I'm glad to see an acknowledgement by BW that there's an issue here.

 

Thats just the problem, there is no issue. People just cant manage it so they look for problems where there are none.

[Fluffometer]

This is very welcome news - hope it comes to be! Thanks :-)

[LJ_Gibbs]

 

I do CARE! I know at least 2 people whom I asked and care too.

 

Why? That is just silly. It's not like the game has not changed in difficulty since launch. It's got easier..... so why not this? It's not NiM space missions... it's heroic.

 

That's like caring that I got the Hero of the Galaxy (completed all the heroics) when you could solo them, when you had to do it with groups of 2 and 4. It's not my fault you did it before and I waited.

 

Get over yourselves, quit being a gatekeeper. It's HEROIC.

[merovejec]

Why? That is just silly. It's not like the game has not changed in difficulty since launch. It's got easier..... so why not this? It's not NiM space missions... it's heroic.

 

That's like caring that I got the Hero of the Galaxy (completed all the heroics) when you could solo them, when you had to do it with groups of 2 and 4. It's not my fault you did it before and I waited.

 

Get over yourselves, quit being a gatekeeper. It's HEROIC.

 

You can still solo all heroics that hasnt changed. In fact very little has changed only the planets are easier. The operations have been easy for a while when the level cap moved to 60. You could then solo the level 50 operations, but they realized it and took care of that. Its still hard to get Wings or do NiM ops. The best way would be to add reputation to some lower missions but the rep points should be equivalent to the time it takes to get the rep from the heroic missions! They shouldnt change the missions themselves.

Edited January 24, 2021 by merovejec

[LJ_Gibbs]

You can still solo all heroics that hasnt changed. In fact very little has changed only the planets are easier. The operations have been easy for a while when the level cap moved to 60. You could then solo the level 50 operations, but they realized it and took care of that. Its still hard to get Wings or do NiM ops. The best way would be to add reputation to some lower missions but the rep points should be equivalent to the time it takes to get the rep from the heroic missions! They shouldnt change the missions themselves.

 

I asked why you care. And you couldn't come up with something?

[merovejec]

I asked why you care. And you couldn't come up with something?

 

I care because when I did it the missions for the rep it had a certain time consuption. If they make it easier now then my time (and the time of others) was wasted as I could have just waited for a nerf. Sure, the game is a waste if time in general but there should be some standards to Devs treat the game.

[Darev]

One thing that the devs / moderators / employees may not remember is when these Heroic Space missions first came out, the Tier 7 parts were put up for sale on the CM. They were removed pretty quickly. Not that this matters much for current players, just a bit of a history lesson.

 

Reputation for the level 5 (and lower) missions is needed, and I'm glad they said they're going to look into that.

I think they should limit it to once per day per mission.

 

There's a reason why the rewards for the space PVE missions were nerfed to the ground several years ago (back when we were all grinding black hole tokens for toon gear), and the core issue has never been fixed.

 

Reputation is not that same as tokens that no longer exist, so maybe it won't be as big of a deal, especially if there are weekly limits in place for Space PVE rep like there is with all the other current types.

[Darev]

Ive farmed the reputation ages ago without doing heroic missions, recently however ive come back to it just for fun and im glad the heroic missions are so hard, more fun that way.

 

->however i dont get the rotation of the heroic missions in the terminal on the personal starship - from the little ive seen, each day i have 1 heroic mission there for 40 fleet comms, blue rep.item, but sometimes theres a mission needing 2 heroic missions that gives 80 comms and purple rep.item ->whats the rotation there? and what about other missions like Jabiim Escort for example are those weekly?

 

If I remember correctly, there is one heroic available per day, and then all of them are available on Sunday.

[LJ_Gibbs]

I care because when I did it the missions for the rep it had a certain time consuption. If they make it easier now then my time (and the time of others) was wasted as I could have just waited for a nerf. Sure, the game is a waste if time in general but there should be some standards to Devs treat the game.

 

Ah... the ol "I spent a ton of time on it; therefore, you should too" concept.

 

Here's what I need you to do..

 

1. Go into the Gen forum and complain about DVL XP gear... why? Because you put the time in before and people shouldn't get to put less time in now.

 

2. Go into the Gen forum and complain about how you can just do class missions to get to max level... why? Because you put the time in before and people shouldn't get to put less time in now.

 

That is a completely horrible "reason".

Edited January 24, 2021 by LJ_Gibbs

[merovejec]

Ah... the ol "I spent a ton of time on it; therefore, you should too" concept.

 

Here's what I need you to do..

 

1. Go into the Gen forum and complain about DVL XP gear... why? Because you put the time in before and people shouldn't get to put less time in now.

 

2. Go into the Gen forum and complain about how you can just do class missions to get to max level... why? Because you put the time in before and people shouldn't get to put less time in now.

 

That is a completely horrible "reason".

 

You are mixing pines and apples here. Getting gear, level is something temporary. Reputation and achievements is a one time thing. That actually stays! It is the best reason.

[merovejec]

One thing that the devs / moderators / employees may not remember is when these Heroic Space missions first came out, the Tier 7 parts were put up for sale on the CM. They were removed pretty quickly. Not that this matters much for current players, just a bit of a history lesson.

 

I have been here since launch and i could teach history here too. To be honest i bought my grade 7 gear from CM back then! However, after that it was quite hard to buy the gear with the fleet coms. Now, its just too easy as you get fleet coms from gsf too and people sell the gear on gtn for a few mil each so you just buy the stuff off GTN, except for the proton torpedos.

[merovejec]

If I remember correctly, there is one heroic available per day, and then all of them are available on Sunday.

 

Yes, there was a fixed schedule and in order to max the rep per week you had to run the missions on alts too. Thats why changing this now would just be a slap in the face of the people who did it properly back then!

[TrixxieTriss]

Yes, there was a fixed schedule and in order to max the rep per week you had to run the missions on alts too. Thats why changing this now would just be a slap in the face of the people who did it properly back then!

 

I still don’t get why you care? It’s not going to affect you at all

Edited January 24, 2021 by TrixxieTriss

[LJ_Gibbs]

I still don’t get why you care? It’s not going to affect you at all

 

"Because...."

[DarkTergon]

With some people it's a L2P issue, and when they preserve, they do eventually get it done. But that's not the case with everyone, there is a good chunk of people having issues due to a physical disability. No video, or tutorial is EVER going to fix that issue.

 

Yet there are people in these forums attacking them, discriminating against them, basically telling them they shouldn't play the game. You know who you are and should be ashamed of yourself. Someone appears to be cleaning up the thread/posts in the last hour or so, hopefully, they come in here, and fix this too.

Edited January 25, 2021 by DarkTergon

[KumbayaGOD]

I care because when I did it the missions for the rep it had a certain time consuption. If they make it easier now then my time (and the time of others) was wasted as I could have just waited for a nerf. Sure, the game is a waste if time in general but there should be some standards to Devs treat the game.

 

the dev only need to serve the players as their main priority , if customer want to have rep for easier mission then so be it , you cant do anything to stop them

[merovejec]

the dev only need to serve the players as their main priority , if customer want to have rep for easier mission then so be it , you cant do anything to stop them

 

Of course I cannot, its their game. All I can do is provide some reasoning from my side not to do it! Even Jackie said that its simply as it is. The Space missions have been designed at some point and people tested and approved it so that shouldnt change as it was a whole development process.

 

With some people it's a L2P issue, and when they preserve, they do eventually get it done. But that's not the case with everyone, there is a good chunk of people having issues due to a physical disability. No video, or tutorial is EVER going to fix that issue.

 

I am really sorry for the people who have physical limits to playing such games, but you really cannot expect the Devs to adapt to every single person. They need to draw a line somewhere and work from that. Its like I could complain why the game is not in Slovak language! There are people who could complain to other things and it would be never ending.

 

I still don’t get why you care? It’s not going to affect you at all

 

It effects me in the matter that I know that my previous effort for this was in vain! Then I can say to Bioware I want the weeks of rep farming back cause now they made it easier! Sounds silly of course but thats how it is. They didnt go and make Seeker Droid achievements easier, or other farming achievements. The players who are complaining about this are only doing the reputation in order to buy the last speeder which you need the Armada reputation for, so they get the achievement.

[LJ_Gibbs]

I love how you're Gatekeeping this like it's the most important thing in the world to you.

 

Cute.

[phalczen]

I love how you're Gatekeeping this like it's the most important thing in the world to you.

 

Cute.

 

Mero is a serious achievement hunter, but there's nothing wrong with that at all. To achievement hunters, that is the end game, and its part of what makes the game fun for them.

 

Look, I bought the grade 7 components from the market when they were actually sold as equipment bundles. I ground out the reputation back when I only had a one or two toons that could actually do the missions. This was literally years ago. I really wanted the pilot suit. I still wear it! So, I get where Mero is coming from.

 

But, I don't truly care if these are made slightly easier. Certainly not at this point. Honestly, if more people do them we might see some additional development. Perhaps grade 8 components and Master mode. Don't get me wrong, I think there are other more important priorities than the on-rails space missions, just considering GSF, let alone the rest of the game. But the Devs might spend some time if they see interest/participation increase.

 

Lastly, I will say that I completely support making the majority of the game accessible to people with disabilities, but I don't think you can normalize every aspect of the game for people with disabilities. It's not done in professional sports, for the same reasons. It's ok to have something that requires a lot of muscle memory and quick reflexes, as long as the core game remains accessible.

[TrixxieTriss]

Mero is a serious achievement hunter, but there's nothing wrong with that at all. To achievement hunters, that is the end game, and its part of what makes the game fun for them.

 

Lets not forget that not all those achievements he got were legitimate in pvp (by his own admission on these forums).

So why is he gate keeping something that doesn’t actually affect him “at all”.

Where as win trading and system manipulation did actually affect many other players

Edited January 25, 2021 by TrixxieTriss

[merovejec]

I love how you're Gatekeeping this like it's the most important thing in the world to you.

 

Cute.

 

Its really not the world to me, but these are discussion forums so I am discussing. This game velongs to the Devs and they can do what they want, if they decide to change it I will not cry about it, but I stand by my viewpoint, thats all.

[merovejec]

Lets not forget that not all those achievements he got were legitimate in pvp (by his own admission on these forums).

So why is he gate keeping something that doesn’t actually affect him “at all”.

Where as win trading and system manipulation did actually affect many other players

 

Trixxie, you made quite a few mistakes in that post. My achievements are legitimate, otherwise I wouldnt be here. Yes i tried to get gsf achievements.... faster but that had a backslasch and now its all back to legit. End of story. As I said I stated my opinion on this. As it seems I am just one person here so you pretty dont have to mind me.