DaZeeZee Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 It's time to talk about the buggy, barely functioning mess that is the story missions of KoTFE and KotET. the many many times its impossible to progress without dying and respawning several times, and/or resetting the mission. the sheer neglect shown by EA/Bioware and refusal to fix anything important. Demand change, this game had potential, has potential. but not only is it not being met, it's being destroyed by neglect. Yes, I'm fully aware of the Virus which has made it difficult to work on the game lately, but this is a problem with its roots far before anyone knew what Coronavirus is. It's time we demand that they work hard on fixes, starting as soon as their offices are back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoloTweed Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 It's time we demand that they work hard on fixes, starting as soon as their offices are back to normal. Or else? I wish we could wipe KotFEET right out of the timeline myself since it plays exactly as it was created - role-playing fan fiction not intended for Star Wars and certainly not for any non-Force users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFadedMemory Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) I wish we could wipe KotFEET right out of the timeline myself since it plays exactly as it was created - role-playing fan fiction not intended for Star Wars and certainly not for any non-Force users. I like to imagine that my Bounty Hunter is force sensitive, just he never learns how to use it ha ha ha. Edited July 6, 2020 by AFadedMemory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimasterjac Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Personally, the sooner we forget FE/ET happened, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZeeZee Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Or else? I wish we could wipe KotFEET right out of the timeline myself since it plays exactly as it was created - role-playing fan fiction not intended for Star Wars and certainly not for any non-Force users. It was a fantastic story, and it works fine in star wars so long as the galaxy doesn't stay the way it ends in. It should definitely have had some completely different alternate missions for non force users though.' Whether or not you liked the story though, saying we should not prioritize fixing the many game breaking bugs in it is beyond moronic. Edited July 7, 2020 by DaZeeZee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardrossan Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It was a fantastic story, and it works fine in star wars so long as the galaxy doesn't stay the way it ends in. I lol'd. Kotfe/et isn't "a good story destroyed by neglect", it's a mediocre story with good graphics. I wish we could wipe KotFEET right out of the timeline myself since it plays exactly as it was created - role-playing fan fiction not intended for Star Wars and certainly not for any non-Force users. Personally, the sooner we forget FE/ET happened, the better. /thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denavin Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 If it has been allowed to be done as it was planed, it would have been a very good story. But because of the whiners it was butchered into what we have now. An incomplete disjointed hacked together story just to please the few that screamed about how they did not like it months before it was even released. So to try to please these few whiners they destroyed the story line and compressed a trilogy into two poorly written expansions. I liked KOTFE and would have liked to see the whole thing as was described by Charles in an open letter he posted (which I can not find Charles can you PLEASE re-post that). The story he tolled was full of intrigue, action and would have been a great addition to SWToR. But 6 months before KOTFE was even released the whiners and decided that is was going to be terrible and that was all there was to it. They continued to complain for MONTHS. Then after KOTFE did release it was well liked.... except by the whiners (of course they had to justify their whining after all). Thus forcing Charles to DESTROY his work just to pacify the whiners. Leaving us with what we now have as KOTFE / ET. As far as fixing any bugs in OLD content. BW has long said that "fixing bugs in old content will be fixed at a lower priority than current content unless it is Game Breaking and even then current content will still get priority." So don't expect bugs in old content to get fixed quickly or at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xordevoreaux Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I really enjoyed both KOTFE/KOTET minus the walker missions. Those were a chore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlBuzzard Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 If it has been allowed to be done as it was planed, it would have been a very good story. But because of the whiners it was butchered into what we have now. An incomplete disjointed hacked together story just to please the few that screamed about how they did not like it months before it was even released. So to try to please these few whiners they destroyed the story line and compressed a trilogy into two poorly written expansions. I liked KOTFE and would have liked to see the whole thing as was described by Charles in an open letter he posted (which I can not find Charles can you PLEASE re-post that). The story he tolled was full of intrigue, action and would have been a great addition to SWToR. But 6 months before KOTFE was even released the whiners and decided that is was going to be terrible and that was all there was to it. They continued to complain for MONTHS. Then after KOTFE did release it was well liked.... except by the whiners (of course they had to justify their whining after all). Thus forcing Charles to DESTROY his work just to pacify the whiners. Leaving us with what we now have as KOTFE / ET. As far as fixing any bugs in OLD content. BW has long said that "fixing bugs in old content will be fixed at a lower priority than current content unless it is Game Breaking and even then current content will still get priority." So don't expect bugs in old content to get fixed quickly or at all. I agree somewhat with this assessment. Unfortunately some totally miss the story that was being lead up long since it was released. Writer's strikes … funneling 8 separate class stories down into one … canning ALL companions (after pouring tons of credits into them at a time when credits were harder to come by !! ) These are just a few items that actually hurt KotFE / ET. Companions (for example) have yet to make a come back... This would be one item that has been (neglected) … more like pushed aside. Bugs... Until the last few releases I would have argued the point that the virus was hurting the situation. I don't know.. it's not helping (that is for certain). That said .. it seems that a HUGE item that is really sticking in the craw of more and more players is that the new bugs … are becoming more and more frequent... So now that pushes bugs that should have been addressed back even further and further .. until those are now considered "OLD" bugs … (Please note: not to be confused with Ol' Buzzard).. Anybody got a score card to keep track of what is now "new bugs" and you know …. actually being looked at ?? Soooo … then what are the old ones that's now pushed back to that burner that is nearly shut off ?? IMO … It's not just KotFE / ET .. there are some issues that really need addressed. Several of us have been extremely supportive. We should be! PLEASE … will someone grab an old fashion … (hang on) … WHACK !!!! (bug guts spatter everywhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceryxp Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 If it has been allowed to be done as it was planed, it would have been a very good story. But because of the whiners it was butchered into what we have now. An incomplete disjointed hacked together story just to please the few that screamed about how they did not like it months before it was even released. So to try to please these few whiners they destroyed the story line and compressed a trilogy into two poorly written expansions. Agreed. I would have loved to see and play the full three book Knights story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhancelot Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It's time to talk about the buggy, barely functioning mess that is the story missions of KoTFE and KotET. the many many times its impossible to progress without dying and respawning several times, and/or resetting the mission. the sheer neglect shown by EA/Bioware and refusal to fix anything important. Demand change, this game had potential, has potential. but not only is it not being met, it's being destroyed by neglect. Yes, I'm fully aware of the Virus which has made it difficult to work on the game lately, but this is a problem with its roots far before anyone knew what Coronavirus is. It's time we demand that they work hard on fixes, starting as soon as their offices are back to normal. We demanded what you are demanding now 5+ years ago. Guess what. We still demanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnAskham Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Hmm the 'story' as proposed might have been good, so I won't pass judgement on that. The story we got though is a mess, as are everything else that came with KotFE from losing all the original companions, level sync, content almost exclusively instanced with little open world areas, no new group content, chapter a month that turned into every few months and was mostly a few minutes of story padded with 10s of minutes fighting hallways of skytroopers, and massive economic exploits that were left in game for far too long and never remedied. The idiocy of the whole package is what doomed KotFE and why many of us are quick to say 'forget it and move on'. Edited July 7, 2020 by DawnAskham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimasterjac Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I'm going to second that what they had planned doesn't really matter when what we received was sub-par at best. And I say this as someone who was very excited for KOTFE at the time. I absolutely hated it when I got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everrgreen Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) If it has been allowed to be done as it was planed, it would have been a very good story. But because of the whiners it was butchered into what we have now. An incomplete disjointed hacked together story just to please the few that screamed about how they did not like it months before it was even released. So to try to please these few whiners they destroyed the story line and compressed a trilogy into two poorly written expansions. I liked KOTFE and would have liked to see the whole thing as was described by Charles in an open letter he posted (which I can not find Charles can you PLEASE re-post that). The story he tolled was full of intrigue, action and would have been a great addition to SWToR. But 6 months before KOTFE was even released the whiners and decided that is was going to be terrible and that was all there was to it. They continued to complain for MONTHS. Then after KOTFE did release it was well liked.... except by the whiners (of course they had to justify their whining after all). Thus forcing Charles to DESTROY his work just to pacify the whiners. Leaving us with what we now have as KOTFE / ET. As far as fixing any bugs in OLD content. BW has long said that "fixing bugs in old content will be fixed at a lower priority than current content unless it is Game Breaking and even then current content will still get priority." So don't expect bugs in old content to get fixed quickly or at all. You have a strong opinion. I do too. IMO Kotfe broke the game. I also have a complaint about your post; you generalize against all players who didn't like the game as "whiners" who decided before it was released it would be terrible. Your generalization is far too broad and cannot be true. For example, I didn't play on PTS or have any idea about Kotfe before release. I was looking forward to Kotfe. I paid for 4 instant-60's of different classes to play through the first 9 chapters only to find it destroyed my characters, was a "possession" scenario which is NOT Star Wars at all IMO, horrendously scattered companions, vanilla social structures ripped apart, and made hours of previously enjoyable game play into tortuous hallways of whack-a-mole. The beautiful graphics with momentous-feeling introductions before each chapter were not enough to overcome the destruction. Dialogue to impress the ages - not. Your generalizations and whining about whiners only make your argument weak at best. I wanted to like Kotfe. After much effort, sadly I could not. (edited to add spoiler tags) Edited July 7, 2020 by Everrgreen to add spoiler tags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everrgreen Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) It's time to talk about the buggy, barely functioning mess that is the story missions of KoTFE and KotET. the many many times its impossible to progress without dying and respawning several times, and/or resetting the mission. the sheer neglect shown by EA/Bioware and refusal to fix anything important. Demand change, this game had potential, has potential. but not only is it not being met, it's being destroyed by neglect. Yes, I'm fully aware of the Virus which has made it difficult to work on the game lately, but this is a problem with its roots far before anyone knew what Coronavirus is. It's time we demand that they work hard on fixes, starting as soon as their offices are back to normal. (edited) They are concentrating on current content and that's more what I'm concerned with, not Kotfe/et. =-=-=-=-= Edited July 7, 2020 by Everrgreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Malganus Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Considering the fact broken vehicle missions in both KOTET/FE were broken when newer content was added, they should have been fixed right away. Instead, they are still broken, making two xpacs worth of "content" worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gericke Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 KOTFE/KOTET was, in my opinion (and not based on anything other than speculation) a way to make use of assets and story from the pulled KOTOR 3. The story missions are ok on the whole (apart from the walker ones). Some are tedious but at the start I enjoyed how they introduced the new worlds for you gradually. However, the storyline dried up - from a lack of funding and ability to produce regular content. It's a shame - would like to see more regular content releases like they were during KOTFE but those days are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaZeeZee Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) (edited) They are concentrating on current content and that's more what I'm concerned with, not Kotfe/et. =-=-=-=-= Bug fixes are a top priority on all content when the bugs are as bad as in those chapters. Deal with it, they should be fixing that stuff in EVERY story before they even think of making new ones. How you feel about the story is completely irrelevant in light of the huge bugs. Edited July 7, 2020 by DaZeeZee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Malganus Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 So the standing solution is to not fix long standing bugs from "old" content by justifying creating "new" content with even more bugs as the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkTergon Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 So the standing solution is to not fix long standing bugs from "old" content by justifying creating "new" content with even more bugs as the solution. Unfortunatley no matter what they do, people will complain....lol Fix the bugs, people complain, they spend too much time on it, and not on new stuff Bring out new stuff, people complain they didn't fix the bugs. Do both at the same time? Probably not enough resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It was a fantastic story, and it works fine in star wars so long as the galaxy doesn't stay the way it ends in. It should definitely have had some completely different alternate missions for non force users though.' Whether or not you liked the story though, saying we should not prioritize fixing the many game breaking bugs in it is beyond moronic. It only works if you play a force user and even then its trash. Pretty sure you're in the minority here. There's a reason they basically cancelled kotet and jumped into onslaught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimasterjac Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It only works if you play a force user and even then its trash. Pretty sure you're in the minority here. There's a reason they basically cancelled kotet and jumped into onslaught. I think that's what bugs me. In previous stories, they at least tried to make every class work. In KOTET, they took what was clearly just meant to be Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior's expansion stories and condensed it into everyone's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I think that's what bugs me. In previous stories, they at least tried to make every class work. In KOTET, they took what was clearly just meant to be Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior's expansion stories and condensed it into everyone's. It was initially tolerable for me because I played a Jedi. When I ran through it on a non force user class I was like "this is stupid and makes no sense." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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