Desplain Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 As I mentioned earlier I'm playing a merc and a commando healer and they are just fine, because a healer needs to survive a little bit longer to keep the team alive. Now it feels like I'm not needed anymore. I got teams with four up to six mercs / commandos (arsenal / gunnery) and they were just healing up themselves all the time. So I'm just waiting to get killed, because nobody gives me any support / protection (who needs a healer when he can do the job by himself). Bioware needs to take away one healing skill from the arsenal merc / gunnery commando. Additionally I'm playing a gunnery commando / arsenal merc and it's no fun drinking coffee and standing around, because you can't be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Oh bull... learn your class and enemy class, mercs and snipers can be easily killed by someone with skill playing melee "Easily"? I don't think so. Especially not snipers. Like beating on a damn wall. Starting to see snipers in matches with 400k+ healing. Snipers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mubrak Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) So I'm just waiting to get killed, because nobody gives me any support / protection (who needs a healer when he can do the job by himself). Protection? Who needs a tank, when ranged dps have a higher survivability? Edited February 23, 2017 by Mubrak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith-Viscera Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Protection? Who needs a tank, when ranged dps have a higher survivability? What good are force users any more when you got Mercs/range users having all the offensive actions and all the defensive actions that a Force users cant go up against any more. If they have the gear a tad better then yours you most likely are dead. I had gear better then some mercs and took everything i had and a long battle but i barely beat'em out. I and 2 or 3 others force users attacked one merc and i swear it took every once of power we had to destroy him and we lost 2 out us b4 we killed him. There is no way that should ever happen. We should of went thru him like paper thru a shredder. So yes, there needs to be some nerfs done to that class and maybe another range class too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazz_Devlin Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Oh bull... learn your class and enemy class, mercs and snipers can be easily killed by someone with skill playing melee That is just rubbish and deflects the fact that the dang classes aren't balanced! Merc's and sniper's are DPS classes and as such should be glass cannons THEY ARE NOT which breaks the very trinity the game is designed around. While it might be possible to beat a merc it is not however likely when every fricken match seems to have 5+ in them the simple fact is you can't play other professions so you hop on your I win merc/sniper and go to town and then try and justify it we people try and tell bioware to pull their collective heads outa their you know whats! Decide you want uber DPS or huge survive ability. Option A drastically reduce amount of heals/Defenses. Option B Reduce amount of DPS output you are no longer a pure DPS spec your a hybrid. Being a hybrid your DPS shouldn't come close to pure DPS spec's Edited February 23, 2017 by Kazz_Devlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkron-kerupt Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 That is just rubbish and deflects the fact that the dang classes aren't balanced! Merc's and sniper's are DPS classes and as such should be glass cannons THEY ARE NOT which breaks the very trinity the game is designed around. While it might be possible to beat a merc it is not however likely when every fricken match seems to have 5+ in them Dont worry i have a very good suspicion that ranged classes will be the next set of class balancing fixes. pts and ops minor upgrades mercs snipers minor nerfs sorcs minor upgrades on light and madness specs to balance out with melee. all ranged classes should be balanced none of them should be better then the other. No matter what any of the mercs snipers say it will happen this is not call of duty . ranged classes are not supposed to have best of all 3 worlds dps heals and defenses they will be toned down. im 100 % posistive of this. Oh and in before any of them attempt to troll what i said. i dont have l2p issues i play both merc and sniper as well and know how to counter them on any class however that still does not mean they are not over tunned and dont need to be fixed to be in line with the other ranged classes and melee performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paratusin Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 at this point anyone saying "l2p your class" is just a troll and either has no idea how the game works, or just hates having balance and wants to be OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DariusCalera Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 That is just rubbish and deflects the fact that the dang classes aren't balanced! Merc's and sniper's are DPS classes and as such should be glass cannons THEY ARE NOT which breaks the very trinity the game is designed around. While it might be possible to beat a merc it is not however likely when every fricken match seems to have 5+ in them the simple fact is you can't play other professions so you hop on your I win merc/sniper and go to town and then try and justify it we people try and tell bioware to pull their collective heads outa their you know whats! Decide you want uber DPS or huge survive ability. Option A drastically reduce amount of heals/Defenses. Option B Reduce amount of DPS output you are no longer a pure DPS spec your a hybrid. Being a hybrid your DPS shouldn't come close to pure DPS spec's In that trinity that you speak of ranged glass cannons are the bane of non stealth melee since they can see them coming and those melee classes have no real way to close that ranged distance. Stealth melee on the other hand are what is used to take out the ranged since they can sneak up on them and the ranged have no real way to escape. The other end of this is that stealth melee are susceptible to the non stealth melee since the non stealth tend to have better defenses. For mercs/mandos to be true glass cannons the devs would have to remove, or severly limit, the gap closers of non stealth melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrownofGold Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 /SIGNED but only after three years of this...we had to deal with being bottom of the barrel for THREE years! This is retribution!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AioliaLion Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Oh bull... learn your class and enemy class, mercs and snipers can be easily killed by someone with skill playing melee dont even start bro... i did a lot of research and yeah eventually I can win and outplay broken classes. but geared and smart players on a merc will **** on everything else. there is no arguing that mercenaries are not broken altogether with sorcerer healers, healing overall scaling too strong, and ranged vs meele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thermisticles Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 /SIGNED but only after three years of this...we had to deal with being bottom of the barrel for THREE years! This is retribution!!! Fair point - shoot 'em all in the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AarenJ Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 /signed #juggsneedlovetoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon_strikes Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Ill tell you what I was told as a merc when everyone was a Sin or Sorc. L2P your class before you complain about other classes. Your rebuttal is utter rubbish and nothing I haven't heard before. Yes, Mercs/Commandos definitely needed a buff, but as typical of the class balance team they overtuned the buffs. They need to adjust the Merc AND Sniper DCDs to begin to try to make Consulars and Inquisitors viable again. The Electro Net City spam is freakin' ridiculous. Edited February 27, 2017 by Talon_strikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 This crap is getting out of hand. I can't believe this has been allowed to go on as long as it has. Merc and Sniper both need immediate balance passes for a reduction in defensive capabilities. They are literally ruining pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon_strikes Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) This crap is getting out of hand. I can't believe this has been allowed to go on as long as it has. Merc and Sniper both need immediate balance passes for a reduction in defensive capabilities. They are literally ruining pvp. I'm all with you on that Vember. I've honestly just decided to reroll Merc and Sniper. I'm being a part of the problem but yolos and sometimes reg WZs are absolutely painful when the opposite team has way more Mercs and/or Snipers. I've rather have a fighting chance than get focused with Electro Net City spam. Yesterday I was in a reg arena. My team had 3 Arsenal Mercs and a Jugg and the other team had a Sage healer, Sage DPS, Slinger, and I think a Gunnery Mando. You can guess how that went can't you? And lately while queuing as a Merc in yolos it's been nothing but Merc teams vs. Merc teams. Edited February 28, 2017 by Talon_strikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opaknack Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Ill tell you what I was told as a merc when everyone was a Sin or Sorc. L2P your class before you complain about other classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibi-Fit Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Everything that I want to say it's written in the first post. I totally agree Petition signed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AioliaLion Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 stop saying to "L2P". most people here play long enough and they know how to play their class. stop trying to deny that mercs/healers are broken in the game. they are broken http://imgur.com/a/pGOdh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopicus Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) stop saying to "L2P". most people here play long enough and they know how to play their class. stop trying to deny that mercs/healers are broken in the game. they are broken http://imgur.com/a/pGOdh Get that a lot, do you? (sorry, couldn't resist, you made that one too easy Edited March 1, 2017 by stoopicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaladan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 how many months more bioware will need to nerf arsenal merc .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenitsubasaChiyo Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 how many months more bioware will need to nerf arsenal merc .. January 2018, m8. When 6.0 hits the live servers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmbuddah Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I am finally on board. Fighting the swarms of mercs now a days is getting ridiculous. Couple that with the insanely OP engi snipers and their spammable aoe, and it is just game over for pretty much any other class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aadaam Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 The players saying its not broke are the ones playing the Mercs. And there are a lot of them. They don't want it fixed because it will ruin their fun. Selfish as the dark side is, is these players who don't care that it ruins the fun of the game for others. And the devs don't seem to care that PVP is not fun for a large percentage of players, who just give up playing PVP. BTW, PVP in general is not fun most of the time, because of the stupid CXP 3 lvl gear system because it often pits players with lesser gear against players with high gear. The only way PVP can be fun is if you have a fair chance to win. A casual player who is good but hasn't yet had the time to grind out the best gear will not have fun. FACT = Imps win 80% of the time, and yet people say its not broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehufsa Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Again, I DO NOT PVP. So why should my mercenary pay for whats happening in PVP??? :mad: Why should my PVE merc be nerfed?? Usually people like when i'm the last standing, killing everything while they are kissing the floor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaladan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Again, I DO NOT PVP. So why should my mercenary pay for whats happening in PVP??? :mad: Why should my PVE merc be nerfed?? Usually people like when i'm the last standing, killing everything while they are kissing the floor.. again i do not PVE so why my sniper engineering was nerfed last year in 4.0 because of pve? (wasn't Op in pvp) many other example so...it's bioware job to do thing right in both direction. and there are possibilities to do it well. don't blame players to show a big issue of balance in PvP content mate. Edited March 19, 2017 by Thaladan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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