FerkWork Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Ahh, apologies, I assumed you were referring to my opener because he was saying he used my exact rotation. It's because your bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellRichter Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Deleted Edited June 6, 2019 by RussellRichter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradypan Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I have problem of a different kind. Several times I have stumbled upon that for the second shatter in the opener (optimal or not) I didn't have enough rage (I have Shien form active). Here is how it looks: Saber Throw > Force Charge, Enrage > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Shatter > Force Scream > Sundering Assault > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Vicious Throw > Force Scream > Shatter So rage generation goes like: Rage generated (Total Rage): +3 (3) > +9 (12) > -3 (9) > 0 (9) > 0* (9) > -1 (8) > -3 (5) > +5 (10) > -3 (7) > 0 (7) > 0 (7) > +1 (8) > -3 (5) > -1 (4) So for the second Shatter there is exactly the amount of rage needed. However, few time I was 1 rage short at this point. I tried to analyze logs and I had a flashback that at one of these instances Saber Throw gave me 2 rage instead of 3. Neither Starparse nor Parsley gave me the answer. But looking at raw combat log files I've noticed that when ability is activated it usually first consumes/generates rage, applies all applicable effects and then it delivers the damage. Could it be possible that before entering combat (dealing damage) but after acquiring rage from Saber Throw, 1 rage point disappeared due to out-of-combat rage vanishing? This happens to me all the time, with a very specific point in my rotation where I need exactly 1 more rage for Shatter. I'd say about 30% of my parses also very obviously robbing me of rage, where I do saber thrown and force charge and immediately notice I only have 5 rage instead of 3+3=6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbytez Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I have problem of a different kind. Several times I have stumbled upon that for the second shatter in the opener (optimal or not) I didn't have enough rage (I have Shien form active). Here is how it looks: Saber Throw > Force Charge, Enrage > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Shatter > Force Scream > Sundering Assault > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Vicious Throw > Force Scream > Shatter So rage generation goes like: Rage generated (Total Rage): +3 (3) > +9 (12) > -3 (9) > 0 (9) > 0* (9) > -1 (8) > -3 (5) > +5 (10) > -3 (7) > 0 (7) > 0 (7) > +1 (8) > -3 (5) > -1 (4) So for the second Shatter there is exactly the amount of rage needed. However, few time I was 1 rage short at this point. I tried to analyze logs and I had a flashback that at one of these instances Saber Throw gave me 2 rage instead of 3. Neither Starparse nor Parsley gave me the answer. But looking at raw combat log files I've noticed that when ability is activated it usually first consumes/generates rage, applies all applicable effects and then it delivers the damage. Could it be possible that before entering combat (dealing damage) but after acquiring rage from Saber Throw, 1 rage point disappeared due to out-of-combat rage vanishing? Yeah. That happens sometime because when we open the rotation with Saber Throw we won't get in combat right away. That half a second Saber Throw flying to the target can sometime takes away 1 Rage/Focus by normal out-of-combat Rage/Focus mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellRichter Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I have problem of a different kind. Several times I have stumbled upon that for the second shatter in the opener (optimal or not) I didn't have enough rage (I have Shien form active). Here is how it looks: Saber Throw > Force Charge, Enrage > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Shatter > Force Scream > Sundering Assault > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Vicious Throw > Force Scream > Shatter So rage generation goes like: Rage generated (Total Rage): +3 (3) > +9 (12) > -3 (9) > 0 (9) > 0* (9) > -1 (8) > -3 (5) > +5 (10) > -3 (7) > 0 (7) > 0 (7) > +1 (8) > -3 (5) > -1 (4) So for the second Shatter there is exactly the amount of rage needed. However, few time I was 1 rage short at this point. I tried to analyze logs and I had a flashback that at one of these instances Saber Throw gave me 2 rage instead of 3. Neither Starparse nor Parsley gave me the answer. But looking at raw combat log files I've noticed that when ability is activated it usually first consumes/generates rage, applies all applicable effects and then it delivers the damage. Could it be possible that before entering combat (dealing damage) but after acquiring rage from Saber Throw, 1 rage point disappeared due to out-of-combat rage vanishing? So I've been doing the rotation you listed over and over on the dummy, and every time I need to do the second shatter, I have 7 rage which is more than enough. Not sure what the issue is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joefjr Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I have problem of a different kind. Several times I have stumbled upon that for the second shatter in the opener (optimal or not) I didn't have enough rage (I have Shien form active). Here is how it looks: Saber Throw > Force Charge, Enrage > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Shatter > Force Scream > Sundering Assault > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Vicious Throw > Force Scream > Shatter Close to what i do but i go Saber Throw > Force Charge, Enrage > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Shatter > Force Scream > Vicious Throw > Impale > Ravage > Ravage* > Sundering Assault > Force Scream > Shatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Haven't been parsing a whole lot due to raiding, and parsing too much during the first few weeks, but when I have time I'll try to climb up a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerfderp Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How much deviation due to RNG do you typically get during parses? I don't know if I'm doing wrong but I seem to be getting 200-300 dps difference between my highest and lowest parses, even though I'm trying my hardest to have my rotation exactly the same each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvai Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How much deviation due to RNG do you typically get during parses? I don't know if I'm doing wrong but I seem to be getting 200-300 dps difference between my highest and lowest parses, even though I'm trying my hardest to have my rotation exactly the same each time. Happens due to crits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerfderp Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Happens due to crits So when you tell someone that your Jugg can parse xxxx, do you give them an average or literally the highest parse you've attained then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 How much deviation due to RNG do you typically get during parses? I don't know if I'm doing wrong but I seem to be getting 200-300 dps difference between my highest and lowest parses, even though I'm trying my hardest to have my rotation exactly the same each time. You're lucky if you only have 200-300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBloomberg Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 yeah lol, i had one last night that was just over 6k, when my highest is 6450, the rng is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkiinvoker Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) My bad Sundering Assault generates 7 rage. This means that I have no explanation for the lack of rage at this point. However, it happened multiple times. Edited November 23, 2015 by dkiinvoker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBloomberg Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 BIS224 xD, time to parse and beat that 6760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellRichter Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 BIS224 xD, time to parse and beat that 6760 I did that in mostly hard mode gear XD I better start parsing again since I got mostly nightmare gear now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) How the hell do you guys have BiS 224s already? 0.o I STILL HAVE 216s GDI Edited November 26, 2015 by GrandLordMenace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellRichter Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) How the hell do you guys have BiS 224s already? 0.o I STILL HAVE 216s GDI You need moar alacrity! Will make you gear faster!!!! Edited June 6, 2019 by RussellRichter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 You need moar alacrity! Will make you gear faster!!!! Hue hue Yeah I've been having computer problems so probably won't be raiding all that much for a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvai Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 How the hell do you guys have BiS 224s already? Farming the **** out of highlighted HM. Which my guild doesn't do, since it's not fun to faceroll through it. We do the highlighted one once a week and then move on to NiM. So neither of my guildies has a full 224, but almost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBloomberg Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Yeah I mean the hardest one to farm was EV, well longest, we did 16m HM for the last 3 bosses with 8, so pylons was 4 times back go back to get the whole group there earpiece, then council was 8times back to back to get everyone relics, then soa was 4 times back to back for all mainhands, took about 4 and a half hours the night we did it, then I got my oh and headpiece from tfb this week to finish him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBloomberg Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I also have 5 juggs now lol, so II run the highlighted HM on my alts for everything right side, and my main for left side , I already have my PT in half 224s lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradypan Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I also have 5 juggs now lol, so II run the highlighted HM on my alts for everything right side, and my main for left side , I already have my PT in half 224s lol I main jugg, but I only have one jugg :/ On the other hand, I have 2 PTs and 2 sorcs. One day I'll have a need for multiple juggs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 I main jugg, but I only have one jugg :/ On the other hand, I have 2 PTs and 2 sorcs. One day I'll have a need for multiple juggs... The trick to being able to play your jugg nowadays is just be absolutely ******* horrible at anything else. My guild still has scars for when I healed SNV HM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBloomberg Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 :rak_01: I mean I used to tank, but I just dont want to anymore lol, and yeah healing, not my thing, and juggs are just so much fun, I find PT boring as **** -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandLordMenace Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 took guide off my sig cause it doesn't matter anymore, and after the jugg guide I'll probably be ceasing all major work on it and just enjoying the time I have left in the game before it all eventually goes to ****. It's been fun but the work isn't worth the reward for me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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