Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sap once. Resap immediately cc break . You have cc immunity , L2P Right. With the CC break that has a 2 min cooldown. You're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryuku-sama Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Right. With the CC break that has a 2 min cooldown. You're an idiot. Honestly. You're one. If you spent your breaker.. What the hell are you doing in a stealther territory?? And if you spend your breaker and you aren't whitebarred, you're doing it wrong about 90% of the time (the 10% left being 1vs1 situation you know what CC the enemy still has under his belt.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Honestly. You're one. If you spent your breaker.. What the hell are you doing in a stealther territory?? And if you spend your breaker and you aren't whitebarred, you're doing it wrong about 90% of the time (the 10% left being 1vs1 situation you know what CC the enemy still has under his belt.) He was the one complaining about getting sapped for 16 seconds on his merc , ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Honestly. You're one. If you spent your breaker.. What the hell are you doing in a stealther territory?? And if you spend your breaker and you aren't whitebarred, you're doing it wrong about 90% of the time (the 10% left being 1vs1 situation you know what CC the enemy still has under his belt.) As fast as resolve decays. You can get stunned again within seconds. It's a reduced duration, but it's still a stun and an interrupt. You can get your resolve bar capped a dozen times before CC break is off cool down again. CC's are an over used mechanic in this game that just adds frustration. I am not the first to quit after giving it a fair shot. Tor has gone far beyond the point where CCs add strategy. It does the opposite. Because no matter how good you are, it's not going to make your CC break cool down any faster. Or remove the stun any faster. And the whole mercs should be with the group at all times? What about pyrotech? It is the most mobile solo capable spec merc has. Are you saying no matter the spec, a merc should not be able to go toe to toe with a stealther? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujeo-finell Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You can't take any damage while sapped, so there's really no rush in breaking out of it (unless your target is capping your node). If you're guarding a node and you get sapped, wait for it wear off, and only use your breaker if your node starts getting hacked (and even then, if you've positioned yourself correctly the stealther wont have time to cap your node before your sap wears off naturally). The stealther wants you to break his first sap so you can't break his second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 He was the one complaining about getting sapped for 16 seconds on his merc , ask him. In a warzone, you can't wait around two minutes for your CC break to be off cool down before trying to cap just because a stealther might be there waiting to sap you for 16 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You can't take any damage while sapped, so there's really no rush in breaking out of it (unless your target is capping your node). If you're guarding a node and you get sapped, wait for it wear off, and only use your breaker if your node starts getting hacked (and even then, if you've positioned yourself correctly the stealther wont have time to cap your node before your sap wears off naturally). The stealther wants you to break his first sap so you can't break his second. You are correct. My initial comment was when trying to cap. They can sap you for 16 seconds and wait for backup. 16 seconds is a long time to allow backup to come. They don't have to do damage, just wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 As fast as resolve decays. You can get stunned again within seconds. It's a reduced duration, but it's still a stun and an interrupt. You can get your resolve bar capped a dozen times before CC break is off cool down again. CC's are an over used mechanic in this game that just adds frustration. I am not the first to quit after giving it a fair shot. Tor has gone far beyond the point where CCs add strategy. It does the opposite. Because no matter how good you are, it's not going to make your CC break cool down any faster. Or remove the stun any faster. And the whole mercs should be with the group at all times? What about pyrotech? It is the most mobile solo capable spec merc has. Are you saying no matter the spec, a merc should not be able to go toe to toe with a stealther? Go ahead and keep posting videos of your pyromerc ninja capping nodes. I will give you credit everytime you beat a competent steatlther thats not a 27k hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You are correct. My initial comment was when trying to cap. They can sap you for 16 seconds and wait for backup. 16 seconds is a long time to allow backup to come. They don't have to do damage, just wait. That why you let let a stealther guard a node. Strategy . Its also why a sorcerer and pt is the second node guard for hypergates with auto cannons and 2 cc breakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujeo-finell Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Oh btw, stuns are overpowered, CC is next to worthless in this game. The fundamental difference between what you call stuns and mezzes is that taking any damage at all makes the mezz worthless, while stuns allow you take infinite damage without being able to do anything about it. If CC wasn't as worthless as it is now the player/team would have to decide whether it's better to keep someone CC'd and fill up their resolve bar or stunlock them. As it is now there's no contesting which one is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Oh btw, stuns are overpowered, CC is next to worthless in this game. The fundamental difference between what you call stuns and mezzes is that taking any damage at all makes the mezz worthless, while stuns allow you take infinite damage without being able to do anything about it. If CC wasn't as worthless as it is now the player/team would have to decide whether it's better to keep someone CC'd and fill up their resolve bar or stunlock them. As it is now there's no contesting which one is better. Mezzes are fundamental to any ranked team using hardswap combos , in many situations , disabling a healer while you do you burst someone is the best bet for challenging a strong team. Mezzes are only worthless in regs cause people break your mezz the moment you use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujeo-finell Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Mezzes are fundamental to any ranked team using hardswap combos , in many situations , disabling a healer while you do you burst someone is the best bet for challenging a strong team. Mezzes are only worthless in regs cause people break your mezz the moment you use it. They're also worthless because of their cooldowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 They're also worthless because of their cooldowns. Flashbangs and the Carnage mezz have extremely short cds , not sure what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujeo-finell Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Flashbangs and the Carnage mezz have extremely short cds , not sure what you mean. Well obviously I'm talking about the mezzes that don't have extremely short cooldowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Well obviously I'm talking about the mezzes that don't have extremely short cooldowns. Use grenades , extra mezzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujeo-finell Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Use grenades , extra mezzes. Having to use extra mezzes doesn't make them any less worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorPalpaTANG Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 CC is mostly fine imo, but burst is a bit too high in comparison. A Sin/PT + Carnage Mara can 100-0 almost anything in a 4s stun window. WoW for instance has way more CC than this game, but the burst damage relative to their health pools is also a lot lower so said stuns are more forgiving. I'd bet things would feel a lot better if the average pvp health pools shifted from ~32k to ~45k with damage staying the same. Although guard would probably have to be reworked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 CC is mostly fine imo, but burst is a bit too high in comparison. A Sin/PT + Carnage Mara can 100-0 almost anything in a 4s stun window. WoW for instance has way more CC than this game, but the burst damage relative to their health pools is also a lot lower so said stuns are more forgiving. I'd bet things would feel a lot better if the average pvp health pools shifted from ~32k to ~45k with damage staying the same. Although guard would probably have to be reworked. LOL taking away the ability to potentially let a Marauder in Carnage Global someone, you might as well scrap the class , that is literally the only thing we have going for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csillagkari Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 some classes imune to stuns, that's op in my eye, not stun it self , ) By the way, if you get zerged, then no matter that you stuned or not : ) But I see an issue in 3v4 situations - if all players can play there class, then no way to lose if you outnumbering your enemy - the game should be more skill based. (The same goes to pve - if you have numbers for a pve chalange it's mostly boring, if you don't have the numbers its simply imposible. Shouldn't be like that, player skills should count a bit more then pure math imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Are you saying no matter the spec, a merc should not be able to go toe to toe with a stealther? e-net, hardstuns, knockbacks, hydraulic override, stealthscan. If you're struggling with an OP you're bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adovir Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 This thread man it's just amazing, sap cap bads 3v1ers complaining that OPs are immune to CC and more. I really hope this thread keeps goin for a few pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 e-net, hardstuns, knockbacks, hydraulic override, stealthscan. If you're struggling with an OP you're bad. Someone said that a merc shouldn't stray from the group into stealther territory. Which prompted my question above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Things I think could be done to alleviate the stun fest are: Add CC immunity buff to stun break. Reduce stuns to 4 seconds from 8 seconds. Each CC type applies an immunity buff. For example, if you are stunned, you gain immunity for a duration to stuns only. Just some ideas. I believe that all classes are balanced in the CC department. But there are far too many in my opinion. It causes frustration because I think being killed while fighting is more fun than being killed while stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverickmatt Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Things I think could be done to alleviate the stun fest are: Add CC immunity buff to stun break. Reduce stuns to 4 seconds from 8 seconds. Each CC type applies an immunity buff. For example, if you are stunned, you gain immunity for a duration to stuns only. Just some ideas. I believe that all classes are balanced in the CC department. But there are far too many in my opinion. It causes frustration because I think being killed while fighting is more fun than being killed while stunned. I concur. Furthermore, it would be hilarious to see players actually having to hit something that can hit back. Oh, they'll hide behind the notion that stuns are REQUIRED to stay as is for Ranked but.. They'd be wrongWho plays that anyway? Not many people. The idea of CC is to stop something. It is not to shut someone down so completely that you win by default. That is lazy playing and lazy coding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 If you complain about stuns and your main isnt a mara , you are part of the problem , just saying. lol 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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