Candleper Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Even in just a 4 man, you can be stunned and killed for 3/4 of your health and you can't do anything about it. I suppose it's fun to global people and I've done it myself which comes down to a coordinated team . But it might be just a bit too op. You can keep the stuns and everything the same, maybe just add about 10% more health to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrelK Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) Should be dead in a stun actually, not just 3/4 . Lucky that most people can't play. Edited September 26, 2014 by DarrelK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hei_Atzfel Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 If you're getting nuked that hard during a single stun then two things are happening; 1) You're most likely burning your CC break improperly and thus allowing yourself to be put into that situation.2) Your team isn't helping you whatsoever. If it's clear the other team is trying to coordinate a focus on one target the tank should throw out an AoE taunt and guard swap to negate said focus, or at least CC one or two of them, a sorc knockback would help out as well. Besides, when you get focused by four people you're supposed to die barring any input from your team. Only juggs can claim otherwise, or a sin with phasewalk planeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoskiCesiu Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Welcome in the "STUN WARS, The Rooted Republic" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenyu Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 If you're getting nuked that hard during a single stun then two things are happening; 1) You're most likely burning your CC break improperly and thus allowing yourself to be put into that situation. 2) Your team isn't helping you whatsoever. If it's clear the other team is trying to coordinate a focus on one target the tank should throw out an AoE taunt and guard swap to negate said focus, or at least CC one or two of them, a sorc knockback would help out as well. Besides, when you get focused by four people you're supposed to die barring any input from your team. Only juggs can claim otherwise, or a sin with phasewalk planeted. ^ 10char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savej Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Yeah, blame the victim... 4 targetted stuns, aoe mezzes (some ranged), free saps, grenades - all firing in the first min. Sure... 1 cc-breaker on a 1.5-2 min timer is going to cover all of that. Swtor is mostly about cc'ing the other team first, keep the tank and healer cc'd and stun+focus fire a weak dps. Most classes/players have a follow-cc if you blow your breaker while being focused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Yeah, blame the victim... 4 targetted stuns, aoe mezzes (some ranged), free saps, grenades - all firing in the first min. Sure... 1 cc-breaker on a 1.5-2 min timer is going to cover all of that. Swtor is mostly about cc'ing the other team first, keep the tank and healer cc'd and stun+focus fire a weak dps. Most classes/players have a follow-cc if you blow your breaker while being focused. 4v1 you're not going to survive regardless without a tank/healer around so why does it matter? CC's are an important part of the meta game for ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savej Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 (edited) 4v1 you're not going to survive regardless without a tank/healer around so why does it matter? CC's are an important part of the meta game for ranked. CCs can quickly/effectively turn a 4v4 into a 4v1 for a few seconds. That was my only point. Of course ccs are part of the meta - because they make such a big difference most of the people that breath this game can't imagine one with far less. Edited September 27, 2014 by Savej Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 CCs can quickly/effectively turn a 4v4 into a 4v1 for a few seconds. That was my only point. Of course ccs are part of the meta - because they make such a big difference most of the people that breath this game can't imagine one with far less. And vice versa. If you let that happen it's your own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaimelion Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 And vice versa. If you let that happen it's your own fault. Yes, it's your own fault, but nevertheless does to the current TTK not match the amount of hard CC that can be thrown out by everyone and how stuns are designed in SWTOR the counterplay posibilities are very limited unless you counter CC with even more CC. Low counterplay posibilities are the biggest issue here. Just because everybody can CC everyone, doesnt make it a good CC system, even if it might be "balanced". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 CCs can quickly/effectively turn a 4v4 into a 4v1 for a few seconds. That was my only point. Of course ccs are part of the meta - because they make such a big difference most of the people that breath this game can't imagine one with far less. Healing and tanking is incredibly powerful in this game. Now picture a tank that you cant stop from guard swapping or a freecasting healer....CC's are fine. The only thing that needs to change is resolve needs to go back to how it functioned at launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 A stealther can stun someone for 16 seconds. If I go to a turret guarded by a single stealther he gets a 16 second head start waiting for help to arrive. 16 SECONDS! ***. Sentinels have perma snare. Snares, roots, and interrupts don't add to resolve. I play a merc, the least mobile class in the game. I quit this game before because of the stun fest. I come back and its worse now. Anyone who says "L2P" when someone complains about stuns is either a troll or an idiot. Im pretty sure being really good isn't going to break that 8 second stun before the operative kills you in 6 seconds. Skill doesn't break stuns. There is no immunity buff after popping your stun break...........................................................................? I love popping my stun break only to be stunned for 8 seconds right after. My sub is up soon. If the stun fest doesn't disappear by then. I quitting, again. And this time I'm deleting my characters and uninstalling and burning my game discs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverickmatt Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 4v1 you're not going to survive regardless without a tank/healer around so why does it matter? CC's are an important part of the meta game for ranked. Argue all you wish, but the point must be made that it is a horrible business move to cater to the very very small minority. Undoubtedly Bioware is well aware of this fact. Anyway, I am indifferent on stuns. Roots and slows on the other hand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Argue all you wish, but the point must be made that it is a horrible business move to cater to the very very small minority. Undoubtedly Bioware is well aware of this fact. Anyway, I am indifferent on stuns. Roots and slows on the other hand.... Doesn't matter who they cater to.....4v1 is 4v1. Stunned or not, you're going to get globaled. People who complain about that stuff just want to survive anything and kill 5 people at once and don't understand how teamwork works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 If you complain about stuns and your main isnt a mara , you are part of the problem , just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Argue all you wish, but the point must be made that it is a horrible business move to cater to the very very small minority. Undoubtedly Bioware is well aware of this fact. Anyway, I am indifferent on stuns. Roots and slows on the other hand.... I wonder why , maybe its because ,3 second immunity every 15 seconds , get an extra 3 seconds every minute. Get CC 'd pop Enraged defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 A stealther can stun someone for 16 seconds. If I go to a turret guarded by a single stealther he gets a 16 second head start waiting for help to arrive. 16 SECONDS! ***. Sentinels have perma snare. Snares, roots, and interrupts don't add to resolve. I play a merc, the least mobile class in the game. I quit this game before because of the stun fest. I come back and its worse now. Anyone who says "L2P" when someone complains about stuns is either a troll or an idiot. Im pretty sure being really good isn't going to break that 8 second stun before the operative kills you in 6 seconds. Skill doesn't break stuns. There is no immunity buff after popping your stun break...........................................................................? I love popping my stun break only to be stunned for 8 seconds right after. My sub is up soon. If the stun fest doesn't disappear by then. I quitting, again. And this time I'm deleting my characters and uninstalling and burning my game discs. Runs a merc in PVP , doesnt understand how to use stealth scan or hydrualic overrides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Runs a merc in PVP , doesnt understand how to use stealth scan or hydrualic overrides. So I guess good players can guess, the first time, where in a large area to place their small stealth scan? And hydraulic overrides is 30 second CD that lasts 6 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 So I guess good players can guess, the first time, where in a large area to place their small stealth scan? And hydraulic overrides is 30 second CD that lasts 6 seconds. You were complaining about getting sapped for 16 seconds , most of the time the only way you put yourself in that situstion is when capping a node, so yes try guess where he will approach after he saps you for the first time. Arsenal has longer duration, if you happen to be a healer , find a team that knows how to peel for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizersan Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 No need to bother complaining anymore as in 3.0 stuns can be cleansed so they won't matter as much once the changes happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 You were complaining about getting sapped for 16 seconds , most of the time the only way you put yourself in that situstion is when capping a node, so yes try guess where he will approach after he saps you for the first time. Arsenal has longer duration, if you happen to be a healer , find a team that knows how to peel for you. They can sap you again right as the first one wears off. So you are stunned continuously. No chance to do anything. And if I do pop stun break. They can immediately sap again because there is no immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 They can sap you again right as the first one wears off. So you are stunned continuously. No chance to do anything. And if I do pop stun break. They can immediately sap again because there is no immunity. 2 saps completely fills your resolve bar, so if he saps you for 6 seconds and resaps you , you have cc imunity , L2 P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) They can sap you again right as the first one wears off. So you are stunned continuously. No chance to do anything. And if I do pop stun break. They can immediately sap again because there is no immunity. By the way you are a merc , you should fight where your team is at , if you are caught out in the open and gets screwed around by a stealther its your fault. Edited October 14, 2014 by Kenjigreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 2 saps completely fills your resolve bar, so if he saps you for 6 seconds and resaps you , you have cc imunity , L2 P. I know. That's why I said 16 seconds. L2 read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenjigreat Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I know. That's why I said 16 seconds. L2 read Sap once. Resap immediately cc break . You have cc immunity , L2P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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