Hahaha Legacy Storage only has 5 tabs for 50 million credits

[Infernixx]

A feature that many have wanted for a very long time has been rendered useless and pointless...

 

They might as well not have even added it...

 

Epic fail...

 

You might not use it, but that's okay. Many people will.

 

Also, you need to look up the terms 'useless' and 'pointless.' The word I think you're looking for is 'too expensive for me to use, therefore I hate it and am angry on the forums.'

[JattaGin]

You might not use it, but that's okay. Many people will.

 

Also, you need to look up the terms 'useless' and 'pointless.' The word I think you're looking for is 'too expensive for me to use, therefore I hate it and am angry on the forums.'

 

That's so typical. You correct someone else who talks about something in general, making clear that he speaks only for himself. But one paragraph above you claim to know what others do, too. You have no idea if "many people will" use the storage legacy. What you meant to say was "I have enough credits and I will use it. I also think that many others are like me and do the same." But you know nothing, Jon Snow.

[Vandicus]

That's so typical. You correct someone else who talks about something in general, making clear that he speaks only for himself. But one paragraph above you claim to know what others do, too. You have no idea if "many people will" use the storage legacy. What you meant to say was "I have enough credits and I will use it. I also think that many others are like me and do the same." But you know nothing, Jon Snow.

 

Despite my dislike for the price of legacy storage(as its disproportionate to other comparable convenience features), just from the fact that a CC unlock version exists, we can bet a lot of people who regularly buy hundreds of dollars of CC will end up spending for this unlock.

 

The probability that many people will use and unlock at least parts of legacy storage, even at the given price range, is very high.

 

Just because a feature or its price point is reviled by a portion of the fanbase, doesn't mean it won't sell. Think of DLC for example.

[Callaron]

Legacy Storage It's quite the QoL improvement.

 

This is the first time in this game, that the developers actually give people a long term thing to achieve with credits. Everything, and I mean everything, has been easily obtainable so far. Personally I think the full tabs Legacy Storage is a tad expensive, but on the other hand, it's nice to have something that one needs to possibly work for.

 

Eh... even Cryptic/PWE charges less for account storage. Cryptic/PWE. Charges. Less.

That should tell you something, considering one of their number one ways to make money is by strongarming you into buying more storage (by filling your inventory with crap you need to collect).

 

Apparently Bioware's seen the amount of CC people have, and are trying to force them to blow them all on a feature that's very desireable, while trying to give as little as possible in return.

It's sad that the closer this update gets, the more "meh" I'm getting about it thanks to the shameless money sink they are trying to turn it into.

[TX_Angel]

You might not use it, but that's okay. Many people will.

 

Also, you need to look up the terms 'useless' and 'pointless.' The word I think you're looking for is 'too expensive for me to use, therefore I hate it and am angry on the forums.'

 

Nice, but you're mistaken...

 

I don't think many people will use it, except for those who get one free bay, they'll use that for stims, medpacks, and legacy gear.

 

For crafting? No. The cost exceeds any reasonable standard.

 

And you're completely wrong about my being able to afford it. I bought the walker off the GTN, I'm swimming in credits. But I have no need to waste them on this, it doesn't add enough to be remotely worth the price.

[OddballEasyEight]

Those who want to use it, will use it.

 

Those that don't, won't.

 

I fail to see what all the histrionics are all about.

 

People are up in arms because this thing that they don't really need but want, is priced higher than it's worth for them to pay for it... since they don't actually need it.

 

Yeah, it makes no sense.

 

But like you say, those who want to use it, will.

Those who don't, won't.

Edited July 26, 2014 by OddballEasyEight

[Jeweledleah]

People are up in arms because this thing that they don't really need but want, is priced higher than it's worth for them to pay for it... since they don't actually need it.

 

Yeah, it makes no sense.

 

But like you say, those who want to use it, will.

Those who don't, won't.

 

no. its priced higher the comparable unlocks already in game. there's nothing NOTHING in this game that we "need" needs are things like food, water, shelter, you know things we cannot survive without. its all about wants. just like rare mounts and pets.

 

but you know. if bioware choses to keep prices as they are, no skin off my back. I don't actualy NEED legacy storage. it would have been damn nice to have it, but honestly - its the equivalent of a mandoline cutter, when I can slice my potatoes with ye olde kitchen knife just fine. the cost needs to be equivalent to gained convenience. it simply isn't.

 

I think bioware hopes to make some money with cc unlocks for it, but they would either need to expand legacy storage functionality or reduce the prices if they want more than very small number of people to buy it.

[Infernixx]

no. its priced higher the comparable unlocks already in game. there's nothing NOTHING in this game that we "need" needs are things like food, water, shelter, you know things we cannot survive without. its all about wants. just like rare mounts and pets.

 

but you know. if bioware choses to keep prices as they are, no skin off my back. I don't actualy NEED legacy storage. it would have been damn nice to have it, but honestly - its the equivalent of a mandoline cutter, when I can slice my potatoes with ye olde kitchen knife just fine. the cost needs to be equivalent to gained convenience. it simply isn't.

 

I think bioware hopes to make some money with cc unlocks for it, but they would either need to expand legacy storage functionality or reduce the prices if they want more than very small number of people to buy it.

 

That's opinion colored with bias regarding what you believe is an appropriate cost.

 

Further, there's no foundation to it beyond your own gut feelings.

 

BW has data on how many credits are in the game, who has them, how many people are spending daily and how many are generated daily. The cost attached to these QoL improvements wasn't just pulled out of...the air. It was based on hard data. Because of this, I'm almost certain that 'many' people will buy these improvements.

 

But then we'll see. If they lower the price immediately after launch or before PTS ends, then you were right and I was wrong. If they don't then...well...

[wollegol]

its insanely overpriced.... but it´s constructed so expensive that U shouldn´t buy it with credits, you are suppose to buy it with CC.. I wont buy it though, even if I can afford it

[Jeweledleah]

That's opinion colored with bias regarding what you believe is an appropriate cost.

 

Further, there's no foundation to it beyond your own gut feelings.

 

BW has data on how many credits are in the game, who has them, how many people are spending daily and how many are generated daily. The cost attached to these QoL improvements wasn't just pulled out of...the air. It was based on hard data. Because of this, I'm almost certain that 'many' people will buy these improvements.

 

But then we'll see. If they lower the price immediately after launch or before PTS ends, then you were right and I was wrong. If they don't then...well...

 

no. its not.

 

I'm comparing it to account unlocks of cargo hold bays. has nothing to do with any of my gut feelings. account wide cargo bay. not legacy - account, meaning it gets unlocked on every server for every character you could ever play, not just the one you bought it on. cost - 1050 cartel coins. right now, on my main server's GTN its 680k. back when I bought them, they were going for half that price. but lets look at credit cost unlock from inside the cargo hold - last, most expensive bay is 2 million credits. this is a lot more space than single bay for a single legacy in case of cc unlock and 18 mil less than comparable size individual character bay.

 

maths! don't you love maths?

 

so. what do we get out of legacy bays that we cannot already get out of our regular cargo storage? well... we get to use mail system less.

 

I'm honestly not sure what hard data bioware was using but it sounds a bit like their experiment with first casino pack and its unlock costs.

 

only time will tell whether they change their minds or how many people will buy that feature. I can guarantee you that most of not all people will get that free bay. cause... its free. beyond that? not so sure. and again, not much to do with gut feelings, but rather - maths. rich people get rich becasue they tend to be good at math and I can bet you these rich people will calculate gain against cost and maybe someone who spends hundreds of dollars a month on cartel packs will buy full legacy storage.

[BuriDogshin]

The bigger point is the utility isn't worth the price, and it's not even close.

It is to me. The extremely conveinet travel options for the Strongholds mean I'll be reserving space in my Legacy Storage for about 125 180-ish Bound-to-Legacy armors and weapons - 4 Willpower sets, 4 Aim sets, 2 Strength sets, 3 Cunning sets, plus a few extra weapons and offhands in Aim and Cunning.

 

With that, whenever I want to run an alt, if they and/or the companion I want to use are not wearing the right gear, I can just QT to my Stronghold, gear them up, and then pop back to where I was, or the Fleet, or the planet my Stronghold is on, or my ship. Two load screens and I'm good to go - no mailing gear back and forth. When play time is over, I'll pop back to the Stronghold and put the gear back on the racks.

 

There will also be medpacks, stims, adrenals, grenades, boosts, and other consumables there, as will as unique items like grappling guns. Everything I need to gear up for a mission. Legacy Storage will be a shared arsenal.

 

And then I'll want at least two tab for mats. I may not be able to put all of my mats there, but I don't need to: because mats come out of a toons inventory and ship locker first, the Legacy Storage mats act as shared reserve. Each crafter can still keep their own mats, but if they run out of something, rather than hunt more down among my toons, the crafter will just automatically draw from Legacy Storage.

 

Yeah, I am really looking forward to the huge QoL improvement this will bring me and a lot of my fellow alt-a-holics. I'm thinking a combination of 5 million credits and $60 to unlock all the tabs will be worth it to me. YMMV.

Edited July 26, 2014 by BuriDogshin

[Icebergy]

I'm not even a crafter but I already have 2 full bays of purely crafting materials on my main, let alone across all my alts... 5 bays won't even come close to cutting it.

 

What could you possibly need that much crafting mats for?

[Jeweledleah]

It is to me. The extremely conveinet travel options for the Strongholds mean I'll be reserving space in my Legacy Storage for about 125 180-ish Bound-to-Legacy armors and weapons - 4 Willpower sets, 4 Aim sets, 2 Strength sets, 3 Cunning sets, plus a few extra weapons and offhands in Aim and Cunning.

 

With that, whenever I want to run an alt, if they and/or the companion I want to use are not wearing the right gear, I can just QT to my Stronghold, gear them up, and then pop back to where I was, or the Fleet, or the planet my Stronghold is on, or my ship. Two load screens and I'm good to go - no mailing gear back and forth. When play time is over, I'll pop back to the Stronghold and put the gear back on the racks.

 

There will also be medpacks, stims, adrenals, grenades, boosts, and other consumables there, as will as unique items like grappling guns. Everything I need to gear up for a mission. Legacy Storage will be a shared arsenal.

 

And then I'll want at least two tab for mats. I may not be able to put all of my mats there, but I don't need to: because mats come out of a toons inventory and ship locker first, the Legacy Storage mats act as shared reserve. Each crafter can still keep their own mats, but if they run out of something, rather than hunt more down among my toons, the crafter will just automatically draw from Legacy Storage.

 

Yeah, I am really looking forward to the huge QoL improvement this will bring me and a lot of my fellow alt-a-holics. I'm thinking a combination of 5 million credits and $60 to unlock all the tabs will be worth it to me. YMMV.

 

see I was with you, until the cost being worth it. to each their own, naturally, but shared arsenal can be done with free bay everyone gets as for everything else.... yeah, your mileage may vary. but I was looking at yet another convenience feature, this time legacy wide not account.

 

rocket boosts. total credit cost for fully unlocked boosts (all 3) 4 mil. total cartel coin cost? 700 cartel coins. and every single character in your legacy gets a significant travel speed boost.

 

and I can keep comparing. legacy GTN. fantastic convenience feature as you can now acess GTN without having to deal with lag on a fleet or loading screens of capitol city or Nar Shadaa (even CZ has much longer loading screens for me, then my ship) one time cost of 5 million or 900 cartel coins.

 

ship repair droid - 1 million credits, or 300 cartel coins.

 

still not seeing discrepancy?

[BuriDogshin]

see I was with you, until the cost being worth it. to each their own, naturally, but shared arsenal can be done with free bay everyone gets as for everything else....

[but compared to other Legacy unlock costs:] still not seeing discrepancy?

1. one tab isn't enough room for my shared arsenal of 13 9-pc sets + fillers, but that's a nit.
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2. yes, I see the discrepency from other legacy-unlock costs, but:
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   1. BW has said that PTS prices are not final. But odds are released prices won't be higher.
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   2. I don't mind the price discrepency. This is more of a luxury item than the oh-so-essential rocket boots, for example, which actually affects play in Flashpoints (e.g. waiting for someone without RBs).
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   3. A lot of posters, before the PTS prices were known, were saying "it's useless because I can't pool credits, or put bound items in it," and if those posters are now saying this "useless" item is overpriced, who cares? They were not going to buy it anyway.
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Edited July 26, 2014 by BuriDogshin

[Nickious]

ship repair droid - 1 million credits, or 300 cartel coins.

 

still not seeing discrepancy?

 

If we were going that rate, 300 CC for every million, than the cargo holds should have only been 1500 CC per bay.

[BuriDogshin]

If we were going that rate, 300 CC for every million, than the cargo holds should have only been 1500 CC per bay.

 

Not really. If they follow the pricing trends of cargo bays, the CC cost stays constant, but the credits cost increases for each new bay, and CC cost seems based on third or fourth additional bay credit cost. That's why my plan is to buy one or two bay with creds and the rest with CCs. To me,

 

5,000,000 credits << 2500 CC << 20,000,000 credits.

 

YMMV.

Edited July 26, 2014 by BuriDogshin

[BuriDogshin]

What could you possibly need that much crafting mats for?

• He's a hoarder
  
• A hedge against inflation
  
• The Coming Rhakghoul Apocalypse.
  

[Nickious]

Not really. If they follow the pricing trends of cargo bays, the CC cost stays constant, but the credits cost increases for each new bay, and CC cost seems based on third or fourth additional bay credit cost. That's why my plan is to buy one or two bay with creds and the rest with CCs. To me,

 

5,000,000 credits << 2500 CC << 20,000,000 credits.

 

YMMV.

 

Oh only $60? Excuse me if I'm not jumping for joy.

[Draqsko]

Eh... even Cryptic/PWE charges less for account storage. Cryptic/PWE. Charges. Less.

That should tell you something, considering one of their number one ways to make money is by strongarming you into buying more storage (by filling your inventory with crap you need to collect).

 

You sir have no idea. I played PWI, here's what their account stash is..

 

You need an account stash stone, which is only availible from the cash shop, it's 15 gold, 1 US dollar = 1 gold, so that's 15 US dollars. And what do you get for 15 real life dollars? A 16 slot account wide bank that's non-expandable. Your normal bank is only 2 tabs, one can only be used for mats nothing else.

 

Here's the total breakdown:

Super Inventory Stone 9 Gold Make your inventory the maximum (64 slots) size.

Super Safe Stone 12 Gold Increase your bank all the way to 80 slots.

Cupboard Stone 2 Gold Add eight slots to a 'materials only' (includes DQ items and gems) page of your bank. (Max of 80 slots.)

Account Stash Stone 15 Gold Adds 16 special "stash" slots to your account on one server.

 

So the total cost is 56 gold to unlock everything. That's 56 US dollars to unlock 240 slots with only 16 of them being account wide. Now you can expand your inventory and safe with the banker quests, but really no one does that because the drop rate sucks unless you are at the level of those mobs. That's right, you have farm drops to expand your storage, or buy it from the cash shop. Cupboard and account stash can't be obtained any other way except via cash shop.

 

Trust me, it's not cheaper when the only reasonable method of expanding your storage is through the cash shop, and the only other method is to grind DQ mats for the banker quests, and your drop rate decreases for every level you are over the mobs that drop the mats. I've literally killed thousand of mobs after being overleveled, said screw that and went to the CS to unlock the expansions.

 

The people in this game really have no idea what grinding for credits, or mats, or gear, or levels really is like. Go play PWI, you'll know what a grind is, you'll know what a cash grab is. This is the worst cash grab SWTOR can come up with and it PALES in comparison to PWE's cash grabs.

[TX_Angel]

its insanely overpriced.... but it´s constructed so expensive that U shouldn´t buy it with credits, you are suppose to buy it with CC.. I wont buy it though, even if I can afford it

 

Yes, and if it were $10 total of CC to unlock all 5 bays, no big deal.

 

Look at Rocket Boots... the credit cost is nuts, but the CC cost is actually about $5.

 

You only have to do it once per server.

 

For $5, sure, that is a no-brainer, those are very useful. For even $5 per legacy storage bay, yea, I'd do that...

 

For $20? That is stupid, it is more than the cost of a month sub time.

 

So for the cost of 5 months sub, you can unlock some storage...

 

Does no one else see how stupid that is?

[ivanhedgehog]

Eh... even Cryptic/PWE charges less for account storage. Cryptic/PWE. Charges. Less.

That should tell you something, considering one of their number one ways to make money is by strongarming you into buying more storage (by filling your inventory with crap you need to collect).

 

Apparently Bioware's seen the amount of CC people have, and are trying to force them to blow them all on a feature that's very desireable, while trying to give as little as possible in return.

It's sad that the closer this update gets, the more "meh" I'm getting about it thanks to the shameless money sink they are trying to turn it into.

 

its customary to put a little content along side your credit sinks.. first gsf and now this mess...waiting to see how they can screw up the next piece of "content"

[well]

Oh only $60? Excuse me if I'm not jumping for joy.

 

He might have a plan there. I could unsub for 4 months and then it wouldn't be a big deal since I would of paid out to SWTOR. Since I have 22 slots per server I would still have 16 chrs per to putter with.

[Tsillah]

He might have a plan there. I could unsub for 4 months and then it wouldn't be a big deal since I would of paid out to SWTOR. Since I have 22 slots per server I would still have 16 chrs per to putter with.

 

That's an idea. Or I could also stop buying cartel packs entirely which I used to buy to support the game. That would save me 30-50 bucks a month. Of course I will give it the BW twist and multiply the cost savings down. So if I were to say buy a legacy tab for 2500 cc I would want to save 12500 cc that I would normally spend because that seems to be how the calculate their ratios between credits and cc, so I can do that too with my real money and their cc currency.

 

Mind you though you probably have to unsub for 5 or maybe 6 months to match the cost. 2500 cc costs more than a month's sub.

[Savej]

Oh only $60? Excuse me if I'm not jumping for joy.

 

For that amount of money you can buy a brand new full-featured game. In here what do you get? Unlock check marks for a more convenient inventory manager...? I could easily afford it, I've spent more on this game already several times over, but in this case it's a bit insulting. It's something I want - something I assumed I would be getting - but the cost is unsupportable and ridiculous... a storage bin unlock costs more than buying all four houses put together?

Edited July 26, 2014 by Savej

[well]

That's an idea. Or I could also stop buying cartel packs entirely which I used to buy to support the game. That would save me 30-50 bucks a month. Of course I will give it the BW twist and multiply the cost savings down. So if I were to say buy a legacy tab for 2500 cc I would want to save 12500 cc that I would normally spend because that seems to be how the calculate their ratios between credits and cc, so I can do that too with my real money and their cc currency.

 

Mind you though you probably have to unsub for 5 or maybe 6 months to match the cost. 2500 cc costs more than a month's sub.

 

I was thinking about not buying off the CM also. TBH I was thinking of just paying credits but then it just didn't seem right to do it. It is way overprice as it stands now. Yes it is something I can do without but I can also do without paying a sub. I can have 22 chrs per server and if I went preferred I would have 16 I believe. I think SWTOR really need to rethink what is their purpose for asking so much. What are the plus and minus of it.