Infernixx Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 BioWare cares, which is the point. If no one buys it then they'll have wasted a ton of development time on something that no one uses. Good thing that no one cares whether or not you take it seriously then. Exactly! Complaints and the responses are all irrelevant since it's all noise. I just don't mind wasting time between queues with responding. I'd also suggest that you're not worried about wasted development time. Rest easy, I'm sure if they think the price is too high for the masses to afford, then they'll lower the cost. If they don't, then well, maybe people are largely okay with the prices. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernixx Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Exactly, it's subjective so let people have their opinion and not fight it. If you want the drama to stop, then be more careful in how you post. It's fine that you are ok with the prices on the pts, but you create the drama as soon as you start being judgmental towards people who find it too expensive and even go as far as to try to prove them wrong. The whole point is that it's subjective and if people can get BW to adjust prices to what they think is fair, let them do so. No need for you to go against that and be judgmental about it, or does it ruin your gameplay when these things end up costing less? No one's being judgmental. We're just saying that the frantic furious posts promising all manner of dire consequences if prices aren't lowered are a bit uncalled for and rather silly. Calm down. Threats to stop spending money on CCs and unsubbing and quitting the game are counter-productive. No one responds well to threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Exactly! Complaints and the responses are all irrelevant since it's all noise. I just don't mind wasting time between queues with responding. I'd also suggest that you're not worried about wasted development time. Rest easy, I'm sure if they think the price is too high for the masses to afford, then they'll lower the cost. If they don't, then well, maybe people are largely okay with the prices. What do you think? They're not irrelevant because it's the playerbase telling BioWare that we don't agree with the price. The large majority of responses have said that they do not like the price. I don't care about their wasted development time, but they do. And now is the perfect time to let them know that we disagree, because changing a price once it's live is a lot more difficult than changing it beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 BioWare cares, which is the point. If no one buys it then they'll have wasted a ton of development time on something that no one uses.. No they won't. Everyone gets the first tab for free. So everyone will get (and most likely use) the legacy bank. They just won't unlock all 5 tabs (which I doubt took "a ton of development time" to implement). But you can bet your butt that some will unlock it. And you can bet your butt that most will unlock one or two slots using credits or CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 They're not irrelevant because it's the playerbase telling BioWare that we don't agree with the price. The large majority of responses have said that they do not like the price. I don't care about their wasted development time, but they do. And now is the perfect time to let them know that we disagree, because changing a price once it's live is a lot more difficult than changing it beforehand. The large majority of responses are still a vast minority of actual players. I think bioware will let the metrics show them how many will buy the extra tabs or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernixx Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 They're not irrelevant because it's the playerbase telling BioWare that we don't agree with the price. The large majority of responses have said that they do not like the price. I don't care about their wasted development time, but they do. And now is the perfect time to let them know that we disagree, because changing a price once it's live is a lot more difficult than changing it beforehand. Don't worry, if it's not selling, they'll lower the price. Hell, it might not even make it to live at the current price. But, no. The 'playerbase' is playing the game. What you mean to say is a 'handful of posters on the forums' thinks the price is too high. Don't fall into the trap of 'I speak for the players!' We all only speak for ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 The large majority of responses are still a vast minority of actual players. I think bioware will let the metrics show them how many will buy the extra tabs or not. A sample is a sample. Their metrics show that I can more than afford it. Their metrics don't show whether or not I think it's worth buying. My posts do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Don't fall into the trap of 'I speak for the players!' We all only speak for ourselves. I'm not claiming to speak for anyone, I'm letting them speak for themselves and so far most have said it's too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernixx Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 A sample is a sample. Their metrics show that I can more than afford it. Their metrics don't show whether or not I think it's worth buying. My posts do. They not only know how many credits you have, they know how many you make in a day, how many you spend in a day, how often you spend, what you spend it on...everything. And they know that about all the players. I trust their numbers. Sure, you might not fit in the largest chunk of players that these prices are designed around...but most people will end up buying the stuff at this cost. Numbers just don't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernixx Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I'm not claiming to speak for anyone, I'm letting them speak for themselves and so far most have said it's too high. You mean some of the forum posters. If it was 'most', then well, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 They not only know how many credits you have, they know how many you make in a day, how many you spend in a day, how often you spend, what you spend it on...everything. And they know that about all the players. I trust their numbers. Sure, you might not fit in the largest chunk of players that these prices are designed around...but most people will end up buying the stuff at this cost. Numbers just don't lie. And none of that indicates whether or not I think it's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 You mean some of the forum posters. If it was 'most', then well, we wouldn't be having this conversation. You sure about that? Aside from about 3 of you I haven't seen anyone that thinks the price is OK. Of those that have given an opinion the vast majority have said it's too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernixx Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 And none of that indicates whether or not I think it's worth it. It's obvious that you don't think it's worth it. But that's irrelevant to the larger picture. That being 'can the players afford it?' 'Do the players spend millions on QoL improvements?' 'Do they have the excess credits on hand to enjoy at least some of the extra LS?' 'Do we see Legacy mail going back and forth enough to justify LS?' The larger picture deals with the vast majority of players, not just the vocal few like you and I. And while some will complain, I'm betting most will end up buying additional LS tabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernixx Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 You sure about that? Aside from about 3 of you I haven't seen anyone that thinks the price is OK. Of those that have given an opinion the vast majority have said it's too high. Vocal minorities are both vocal and minorities. People will complain and make threats and then suck it up and buy the stuff at the listed costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 A sample is a sample. Their metrics show that I can more than afford it. Their metrics don't show whether or not I think it's worth buying. My posts do. No, your actions do. Your posts only show that you want it to be cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 You sure about that? Aside from about 3 of you I haven't seen anyone that thinks the price is OK. Of those that have given an opinion the vast majority have said it's too high. And the only one I've seen that has said he's actually going to buy them all is BuriDogshin (or however it's spelled). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Vocal minorities are both vocal and minorities. People will complain and make threats and then suck it up and buy the stuff at the listed costs. I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 You sure about that? Aside from about 3 of you I haven't seen anyone that thinks the price is OK. Of those that have given an opinion the vast majority have said it's too high. And your "vast majority" consists of maby 20-30 people saying the same thing over and over in different threads. The actual majority of the forums seem to not care either way. It's always easier to speak up and be vocal when you are upset about something. Very few actually speak up and say that stuff is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 And the only one I've seen that has said he's actually going to buy them all is BuriDogshin (or however it's spelled). Did you just quote yourself and reply to yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 And your "vast majority" consists of maby 20-30 people saying the same thing over and over in different threads. The actual majority of the forums seem to not care either way. It's always easier to speak up and be vocal when you are upset about something. Very few actually speak up and say that stuff is fine. In comparison, if you look at the guild ship discussion there have been a lot of people on both sides of the argument. Whereas this has only had about 3 people on the side that it's OK. Did you just quote yourself and reply to yourself? Yes, I was adding to what I had previously said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletBlaze Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 For now just going to use one tab and what I will do is put the crafting items that all my toons are going to use for the kits for the furniture. The other skills which only one crafter uses will stay in their own cargo hold until I see I need another tab and can afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 In comparison, if you look at the guild ship discussion there have been a lot of people on both sides of the argument. Whereas this has only had about 3 people on the side that it's OK. But the guild ship discussion is somewhat different since there seems to be alot of people there talking about how THEY can't afford a guild ship, not how THEIR GUILD can't. Most of the discussions there isn't about if 50 million is too much for a guild or not, but about the fact that some seem to think they will have to pay it themselves. Or that they don't trust their guild, and that's a whole different discussion. Alot of the people who thought 50 mil was too much for guild ships actually seem to have changed their opinion after people break it down for them that it isn't really that hard for a guild to get that kind of money. So, whole different discussion. Yes, I was adding to what I had previously said. You are aware that there is an edit button right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 For now just going to use one tab and what I will do is put the crafting items that all my toons are going to use for the kits for the furniture. The other skills which only one crafter uses will stay in their own cargo hold until I see I need another tab and can afford it. I'm going to do much the same (but still buy one extra tab to put my legacy gear in) with the addition that I'll set aside 10 slots for easy transfer of items/mats between characters. So when I've done a daily run with one of my alts, I just pop back to the stronghold and put the stuff in the LB and next time I log on with my crafter I'll just pick up the mats if they aren't mats I already store there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadOrb Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) I don't craft so I won't need to many legacy bank slots. Having said that the legacy bank would have been very handy and saved me a lot of money and time a few months ago , when I was gearing up my level 55's for such things as FP's etc. You see the problem ( in my case ) with having 16 characters is that it is/was difficult to actually gear them up all at once I had to just concentrate on 3-4 at a time. Now with the legacy storage , I will be able to share augmented legacy armor between a few characters and their main companion. So the argument that LS is only useful for the people who mail items to one character is mute , it is more useful than that. Now my opinion on the prices per legacy bank is that , great first one is free with a stronghold , but the 5 mil , 10 mil , 15 mil and 20 mil for the final one is that it does seem a very high price. Also if crafters need quite a few then indeed the 2nd - 5th legacy bank bays are way over priced. Of course this could be a money sink and maybe quite a few players have amounted too many credits over the 2 + years then I get it. Still seems unfair to the people who would benefit from the extra bays. The strongholds themselves will get rid of a lot of the credits in game , guild flagships and the recent casino event sure has. So yeah I think it's a bit high the price per bay of legacy storage. Carry on. Cheers, BadOrb. Edited July 27, 2014 by BadOrb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat-Wave Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Vocal minorities are both vocal and minorities. People will complain and make threats and then suck it up and buy the stuff at the listed costs. You might be surprised... Microsoft had plans for the XBox One that were changed due to the outrage... Microsoft doesn't tend to do that, make major changes after their major press launch, but they did due to the noise of the outrage... Scream loud enough and people will listen eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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