Game Update 1.7 Developer Blog: Galactic Reputation

[Tromador]

I love it when people use this line to try and minimize the importance of direct customer feedback. Whether you like it or not, the things posted here constitute concrete feedback from customers. Its up to EA to weigh it, but it is not insignificant.

 

Actually I agree. But to put it into context, I was refuting the idea that stating 95% of replies in this thread meant 95% of the player base as a whole. The other side of the same coin.

[Naasir]

As you said it's a matter of taste. I think the phasing mechanic that was used from Cata Firelands forward is more forgiving though. As is the one in MoP. I like the phasing effect because it shows effects of your character's actions on the gaming world. I agree there are some rough spots like, being out of phase with friends. I think overall this is surmountable. While still a grind, I would rather have something that feels emersive than something that is nothing more than a straight hamster-wheel-skinner-box grind.

 

Again, I feel their system had too many kinks to be immersive. People phasing in and out, vanishing all the time. I wish I could suggest a better method, but honestly I thought the old fashioned method of the Sunwell dailies handled it better. The environment changed (not by much) and it was permanent. For everyone.

 

And don't get me started on the length of the grind... never again I say. If they're to bring in more dailies to SWtor, they better be bloody entertaining. If something requires a person to revisit the same spot again and again, it better feel organic as well, and not be packs of mobs waiting for me to exterminate them.

[Mevan]

No it doesnt it is bugged on Tomb Of Freedom Nadd, so happy it works on your server however!

 

Please check the post confirming its bugged on ToFN on the customer service forum!

 

Remember just because it works on one server doesnt mean it works on all servers.

 

Oreli? Assumed that, when EAware breaks the game, it gets broken for everyone. Hope they fix that soon anyway, had it before they changed the quest around and it was incredibly annoying.

[Darth-Malice]

So more fake content? This is just a time sink in the form of something rewarding but adds nothing new too the game.

[stephenalandavie]

I am giving this game till its 2nd anniversary if the state of the game hasn't improved I will move to other games,

[mandrillagon]

Fantastic point's well made my friend! I too am not a massive fan of Group grinding and love the idea of being able to summon more more than 1 Companion! Wicked idea!

 

Indeed more than one companion will allow the large silent majority of solo players out there more options to explore in their game. You would have motivation to gear grind for multiple companions which keeps people occupied and subscribed. Everyone wins. Hopefully this can be worked in through the legacy or new rep system.

 

1.7 looks interesting and I think its fair to say SW TOR is a healthily evolving mmorpg.

[Projawa]

To continue beating a dead horse:

They should be capitalizing on the unique quirks in SW. There's nothing in this reputation system that brings to life a unique aspect of SW. Minigames like pazaak, dejarik and sabaac are found on in this universe so why not capitalize on that?

 

Assuming they can come up with a compelling implementation, these games bring people together, can be played in a short time for busy folks (or in marathon chess like sessions), and can make the game world feel more Star Wars-ish. They can even be expanded to include tournaments. How about an iron-man contest where you have to master all 3 games like a Grand Slam tournament? It all happens at a huge Nar Shaddaa casino, players can tune in from all over the galaxy, place bets, and if you win you get your own pleasure barge, notoriety, among many other insane prizes.

 

In a similar vein, I wouldn't be surprised if they introduce a raid boss encounter where you play the pieces on a dejarik table, sort of like the chess boss in Kharazan.

Edited February 7, 2013 by Projawa

[Benets]

As i said. It's a really non important feature. Nor new. If they want reputation it should exist since day one. What kills this game is the imbalance and keep doing the same thing other games do.

 

After some play people get bored. There's nothing to do on all those worlds. Where's the real fight rep against empire? On controled sport like warzones? I don't think so, lame.

 

Those changes usless, the game will keep the same. Perhaps they should put their effort on bugs. There's codex bugged since day one. How hard is to remove a codex entry that do not exist?

 

As I said before, i prefer they work on imbalance than all those garbage things and cartel items.

[Pantaro]

I am giving this game till its 2nd anniversary if the state of the game hasn't improved I will move to other games,

 

I've been a supporter of this game since launch and for me it's how things are content wise after makeb,if i stay or go.My biggest pet peeve is the look of gear.

 

i'm fine with them adding a REP Grind if they plan to expand on it at a later date,but if its something that i cant solo on my time and dont need a group for and dont involve space missions than I won't even touch it.So 1.7 isn't looking that grand at all.........

 

Like many have said it's more of a slight of hand to distract us instead of just working on and giving us what we want and deserve.

[Timonius]

When's it going to PTS? Just put it up already, please.

[Benets]

Maybe _you_ do.

 

We don't all play / have-played WoW. I'm not looking for anything 'new' from the arena of all games, I only care about new in the context of SWTOR. Heck, if there was a good way to monetize it, there are some little slightly more "sand-boxy" things I'd like to steal from other games. If we didn't steal concepts from other games, we'd be developing 'pong'.

yep, but steal the good concepts not the garbage.

[Benets]

1) Reputation is only one of many things coming. Did you forget the level cap increase and the new planet?

 

2) Why are you assuming that developers do new content OR bug fixes, but not both? They're putting out a patch every couple of weeks, with bug fixes in each one. Do those not count because they're not fixing your pet peeve first?

 

 

1 - cap level is not for this patch. So theres nothing on this discussion. I personly do not give a d. about cap level if the game's not balance

 

2 - Why? cos after 1 year some stupid bugs and imbalances still persists. So or they 're extremely incompetent or lazy, or they simply don't care. Or all above.

[Chickensevil]

I may be missing something here, and Ill be honest I only read through the first like 3 or 4 pages, but I think people are reading into this wrong. The only "old" content here is section x and the heroic space missions, which are from 1.6... gee how dare them make you visit content again from one patch prior! The NERVE! /sarcasm

 

I read Voss heroics as a NEW heroic questing area... Rep grinding in more of an end game thing this day and age in MMOs... why would they put in something for level 45s when we are about to jump to 55... doesnt make any sense... so either everyone is right, and this is stupid... or you are reading into this completely wrong, and it was a stealth announcement that there is EVEN MORE new content for 1.7.

 

AND THEN! People are like "what about PVP??? I HATE YOU BW!!!! CRY!!!!"... Ummm you are getting ilum back in 1.7... what more do you want? This makes two patches in a row that they have focused on something for PVP. Seriously, stop complaining, just so you can read yourself complaining...

 

So what we have, based on this information, in 1.7...

1: Reputation system being added to the game

2: Ilum PVP Area

3: New quests in Voss.

4: Giant Wampa Boss???

 

So you get your solo play through Rep and New quests mixed with some old (but not like 1.0 old...). You get PVP content, and you get at least a little bit of PVE... I am also guessing they will give us NiM TFB in 1.7 which would round out the PVE and make this one of the most content filled patches yet.

 

But go ahead... Keep complaining... Because obviously they aren't doing ANYTHING with this game...

[well]

I love it when people use this line to try and minimize the importance of direct customer feedback. Whether you like it or not, the things posted here constitute concrete feedback from customers. Its up to EA to weigh it, but it is not insignificant.

 

You got that right.Some people feel they have the right to control the input of others.There is a term for it but I won't say it.

[Tarn_Sirun]

Hi itsmymillertime,

 

To answer your questrion, Reputation trophies are a new type of item that we've added to many existing missions to make those missions more rewarding. Unfortunately, because this is a new system, trophies cannot be granted retroactively.

 

Therefor we, yet again, say screw the fans and customers. we do what we want and ignore requests and make content noone asked for in the first place that screws veteran players. NICELY DONE!

[Lord_Erman]

2 things.

 

1- I seriously can't understand those who whine about no pvp content. 1.6 gave you a WHOLE new content and 1.7 brings back Ilum. So what do you really want more? I never pvp, so it should actually be me who should do the whining. So stop please, you are being ridiculous.

 

2- Regarding the rep system: Well, I definitely won't bother the whole grinding. I'll wait a few weeks; I'm sure they'll put up something on the cartel market so I can buy those titles and whatnot.

[Benets]

So, i read page 1 to 27 and write down some information

of all i've found 24 cleary positive posts

and i've found 78 cleary negative posts

 

4 posts asking about testing this patch and 14 about the discussion of "retroactive"

 

so, a post of "new content" and this ammount of negative feedback? Something's wrong.

Nicely done BW

Edited February 7, 2013 by Benets

[Aries_cz]

I may be missing something here, and Ill be honest I only read through the first like 3 or 4 pages, but I think people are reading into this wrong. The only "old" content here is section x and the heroic space missions, which are from 1.6... gee how dare them make you visit content again from one patch prior! The NERVE! /sarcasm

 

I read Voss heroics as a NEW heroic questing area... Rep grinding in more of an end game thing this day and age in MMOs... why would they put in something for level 45s when we are about to jump to 55... doesnt make any sense... so either everyone is right, and this is stupid... or you are reading into this completely wrong, and it was a stealth announcement that there is EVEN MORE new content for 1.7.

 

AND THEN! People are like "what about PVP??? I HATE YOU BW!!!! CRY!!!!"... Ummm you are getting ilum back in 1.7... what more do you want? This makes two patches in a row that they have focused on something for PVP. Seriously, stop complaining, just so you can read yourself complaining...

 

So what we have, based on this information, in 1.7...

1: Reputation system being added to the game

2: Ilum PVP Area

3: New quests in Voss.

4: Giant Wampa Boss???

 

So you get your solo play through Rep and New quests mixed with some old (but not like 1.0 old...). You get PVP content, and you get at least a little bit of PVE... I am also guessing they will give us NiM TFB in 1.7 which would round out the PVE and make this one of the most content filled patches yet.

 

But go ahead... Keep complaining... Because obviously they aren't doing ANYTHING with this game...

 

Yes, it definitely seems that we will be getting new zone on Voss (planet with pretty cool design and graphics), or at least some rehashed zone filled with new stuff, as part of the [WEEKLY] Defending Voss-Ka mentioned in DevBlog (I am pretty sure there is not such thing at the moment)

 

Also, yes, people seem to have completely forgotten about the Ilum zone, just as they have forgotten about Reputation when hating that there will be no new PvE in 1.7.

 

As for NiM TfB, I do not think so, as there is not other tier of gear yet known, I think NiM TfB will be part of RotHC patch.

[darklordpotter]

So, i read page 1 to 27 and write down some information

of all i've found 24 cleary positive posts

and i've found 78 cleary negative posts

 

4 posts asking about testing this patch and 14 about the discussion of "retroactive"

 

so, a post of "new content" and this ammount of negative feedback? Something's wrong.

Nicely done BW

 

In fairness a lot of what's wrong is the general attitude of the forum - this forum is incredibly negative for reasons strongly related to the CSRs. That said I agree mostly with the negative posts (in fact one of those 78 is probably mine) this is attaching a half baked mechanic onto the least popular content in the game as an exercise in buying time before RotHC.

 

@Aries and Chicken. My understanding is the rep grind for Voss will be the existing H4s there is no indication they are adding any new content to Voss - just trying to get people to run the incredibly unpopular existing Heroic content. Likewise I would assume based on prior performance the [WEEKLY] is complete all H4s on the planet just like the other [WEEKLY] content in the game.

 

People are moaning about the space content because it effectively requires the CM, it's tedious, it requires logging in every day and last but not least given they nerfed the rewards into the ground for reasons never adequately explained they are less profitable and far, far harder than running Impossible Sector.

[Turshek]

My main problem, without more infos, is the inclusion of space content into the rep grind.

 

Space is a minigame, optional content, we are not using our characters but some different controls system. I don't get how such an alternative way to play is brought so forward into this new rep grinding system, instead of some elder contents like lvl 50 flashpoints/ops and PvP.

 

If it's a way to make us play more the new space content, it's imo a bad way. The problem with space content is the huge gap between old and new content and how the learning curve is completely broken.

 

Anyway, I'll wait to see what we'll get on the PTS but I don't see how space content fits well here.

[Tromador]

You got that right.Some people feel they have the right to control the input of others.There is a term for it but I won't say it.

 

I love it when I get quoted out of context and end up demonised.

[Tromador]

My main problem, without more infos, is the inclusion of space content into the rep grind.

 

I'm not sure how this is radically different from fleet comms. Nobody forces you to grind for those either.

 

Space combat will grind rep for only one faction. I would imagine it can easily be skipped. Space rep should provide the kinds of rewards useful for space combat players, (similar to fleet comms) and not anything that is a requirement for those who aren't interested.

 

If you don't like space combat, don't grind rep for that faction.

[Aries_cz]

Exactly, nobody is forcing you to grind any reputation.

My guess about rewards is that it is going to be some orange adaptive gear, mounts, etc, nothing that will give you advantage.

[Turshek]

I'm not sure how this is radically different from fleet comms. Nobody forces you to grind for those either.

 

Space combat will grind rep for only one faction. I would imagine it can easily be skipped. Space rep should provide the kinds of rewards useful for space combat players, (similar to fleet comms) and not anything that is a requirement for those who aren't interested.

 

If you don't like space combat, don't grind rep for that faction.

 

Well there's a difference between normal space missions and Hard Mode ones. You can get fleet comms with the normal ones but won't be able to get rep with thoses. I know quite a few people that can do normal missions without trouble but can't do the hard modes. The content needed to get rep for other factions isn't the hardest of its genre.

 

As for the rewards, there's already too many things you can get through space content that imo shouldn't. It's a minigame, it was described as optional content and should limit the rewards you can playing it to stuffs usefull in that minigame only. Like if they added Pazaak, it shouldn't give rewards that are usefull outside pazaak, ie no character gear, no BH comm, ....

[Ooloi]

I'm closing in on legacy level 50 now, and I've gotten nothing for it from level 26 on.

 

I have 8 level 50 characters, and 8 characters on top of that at various levels, so I have 1 of each advanced class already made (yes, all in one legacy). I've done 40 companion stories and have 10K affection in more than 40 companions (droids, hks).

 

To put in new legacy stuff that doesn't address the gaping abyss that exists shows that you're ignored a lot of your dedicated players. I've done every story quest multiple times, done Voss in its entirety until I'm sick of it, and now you're gonna come put in titles and rewards for being a legend to (among others) the Voss people and yet those of us who have done all this don't even get a head-start?

 

I mean gosh, at least give us some kind of credit for the first couple of tiers.

 

And claiming you can't track stuff is so disingenuous. For years now, LoTRO and other games have been able to retroactively award trophies for completion of content (and have). Either the game is programmed pathetically or you are not being honest with us here.