HK-51 Quest & its PVP requirement.

[FulkerS]

It is perceived as vital. Naturally neither is vital. HK is optional, the piece of armor is optional. But regardless of that I think it would be likely that the PVP community would complain that a piece of armor that they PERCEIVE as vital would be located in a Flashpoint or Operation.

 

Now that I have explained it for you hopefully you will understand the premise and see that it is perhaps arguable but certainly not a strawman...unless you can prove that PVP players would have no problem with that.

 

Nowhere did you say perceived in what I read. Admittedly I have not read this whole post and did not pick up on the fact that when you said vital you meant perceived as vital

[xboblee]

You can get griefed w/out being flagged for PvP. Someone can follow you around and keep tagging mobs you were going after, thus preventing you from completing quests.

 

Are you flagged for PvP? No.

 

Are they griefing you? Yes.

 

Ever had someone take your quest item as you were fighting the mob guarding it? Got mad right? Bet you did. Congrats... you got griefed w/out PvP involved. So griefing isn't just about PvP. And that exists in this game... so you deal with it.

 

Um never had that happen while my 4+ years or mmorpgs. The only time I been griefing when I walk into a pvp area and the game lags and didnt give me the warning that you are in a pvp area and a gang or players came and killed me

[LordArtemis]

You can get griefed w/out being flagged for PvP. Someone can follow you around and keep tagging mobs you were going after, thus preventing you from completing quests.

 

Are you flagged for PvP? No.

 

Are they griefing you? Yes.

 

Ever had someone take your quest item as you were fighting the mob guarding it? Got mad right? Bet you did. Congrats... you got griefed w/out PvP involved. So griefing isn't just about PvP. And that exists in this game... so you deal with it.

 

This still doesn't answer what I believe is a very important question, and I will put it to you since you seem the most vocal about this issue....would you be against the idea of moving it to a PVE area and why?

[Tonymitsu]

You can get griefed w/out being flagged for PvP. Someone can follow you around and keep tagging mobs you were going after, thus preventing you from completing quests.

 

Are you flagged for PvP? No.

 

Are they griefing you? Yes.

 

Ever had someone take your quest item as you were fighting the mob guarding it? Got mad right? Bet you did. Congrats... you got griefed w/out PvP involved. So griefing isn't just about PvP. And that exists in this game... so you deal with it.

 

...Wait... that was a rebuttal?

 

Yeah I deal with griefers just fine by reporting them.

Note the Harassment Policy, which explicitly states PvP activities are not exempt:

 

Harassment Policy

 

Our goal is to build a strong community that offers a comfortable atmosphere for all of our players. This means seeing that players have the ability to combat antisocial behavior

 

Harassment consists of misuse and/or abuse of game mechanics and verbal harassment with the intention of distressing and offending other players. Game mechanics allow players to interact with the world and each other. For example, the ability to block a doorway is a game mechanic. Use of game mechanics like these is by no means considered harassment in and of itself. The key to determining whether the mechanic is being misused or abused is to determine "intent." Reported incidents are not considered harassment until it is determined by the SWTOR CS that it was done to intentionally to cause distress or to offend other players.

 

Harassment is also any behavior that is incessant, inescapable, derogatory and directed specifically at you or your group. Before reporting, a genuine attempt to alleviate the situation should be made by leaving the area or the offending player, or asking them politely to stop. If a sincere attempt has been made to solve the problem and the offending player persists in the behavior, it should be reported.

 

Behavior that is always considered harassment includes derogatory and/or hateful comments that are sexual, racist, religious, or related to gender or creed.

 

A judgment of valid harassment can result in penalties placed on the harassing party up to and including immediate account closure, based on the severity of harassment and the player's past account history.

Player versus Player (“PvP”) activities, where available, are not exempt from this policy.

[Bredeweg]

carebears

[LordArtemis]

Nowhere did you say perceived in what I read. Admittedly I have not read this whole post and did not pick up on the fact that when you said vital you meant perceived as vital

 

I may not have worded it exactly that way...but the inference would be expected, at least I would expect so for any logical person since NOTHING is truly vital to the game and what is important or not important would be based on that persons perspective.

 

So perhaps I should have been more clear. If it was my error, I offer my apologies.

[Urael]

Still waiting for information on this workaround, btw.

 

^Oh... wait... you mean stuff like this?

Nope:

 

I am sorry you lack the imagination to even give the suggestions posted in this thread a try.

 

Don't you think that makes you a little unreasonable? There are plenty of ways around this.

 

I think you are just "trolling" as you accuse those of us that are offering alternatives. The simple fact is that this is not a big deal, there are work arounds to direct PvP, and the "time spent" even if you encounter PvP is going to be minimal.

 

This quest was well thought out. It is designed to highlight each aspect of the SWTOR game. By under taking this "epic quest" (as in the definition of the word prior to moderinity) one is rewarded for your efforts with a new companion.

 

I fail to see why the "entitlement" crowd here on these forums can't understand the simple fact that one should not be rewarded if one is not willing to under go the risk to obtain the reward.

 

I honestly don't think that MMORPGS are the hobby you should be playing.

 

EAware was not the first company to have a "mix" of aspects of a game to reap a final reward. Blizzard has done this for as long as they have been giving out achievements.

 

This is nothing new. Again if you are not willing to put in the effort then you do not warrent the reward.

 

This goes for HK-51, or any other reward in this or any other game or in LIFE for that matter.

 

All humans have the enherent "right to pursue" happieness, but not have happiness be given to them on a silver platter.

 

[Tonymitsu]

carebears

 

trolls

[LordArtemis]

...I think the argument could be made that this companion is special, and as such the quest involves all aspects of the game.

 

I would ask though...can those aspects be listed? Does it involve crafting, space combat and other similar features? How about Flashpoints and Operations, Warzones, etc. Im sure at least some of those items are included, but how many?

[Urael]

...Wait... that was a rebuttal?

 

Yeah I deal with griefers just fine by reporting them.

Note the Harassment Policy, which explicitly states PvP activities are not exempt:

 

No no no ... as a person that has faught that fight I can tell you first had that EAware does not view "ganking people" as harrasment.

 

They view it as an inherent part of OWPvP.

 

I suggest you do a search on these forums and look for the "griefing" thread(s) that was posted during the rakghoul event.

 

EAware official stance: Ganking is not Harrasment.

[Bredeweg]

trolls

 

indeed i mean i can see the problem on a pvp server but you rolled on a pvp server

[Tonymitsu]

I am sorry you lack the imagination to even give the suggestions posted in this thread a try.

Lack the imagination to try what?

Not playing the game?

Hint: this is the opposite of BioWare's desired effect.

 

 

 

I think you are just "trolling" as you accuse those of us that are offering alternatives. The simple fact is that this is not a big deal, there are work arounds to direct PvP, and the "time spent" even if you encounter PvP is going to be minimal.

 

Yes. It is a big deal because:

We are complaining about the percentage of players who are actively campaigning to prevent us from achieving end game content for no reason other than lulz.

And no, I can personally certify that time spent is most likely not going to be minimal, otherwise I would have this done by now and not still be here. I'm actually alt-tabbing out between deaths to check this thread.

 

This quest was well thought out. It is designed to highlight each aspect of the SWTOR game. By under taking this "epic quest" (as in the definition of the word prior to moderinity) one is rewarded for your efforts with a new companion.

I agree with you.

 

...Except for this step.

 

I fail to see why the "entitlement" crowd here on these forums can't understand the simple fact that one should not be rewarded if one is not willing to under go the risk to obtain the reward.

Wrong. We are complaining about the percentage of players who are actively campaigning to prevent us from achieving end game content for no reason other than lulz.

^ This is actually the exact opposite of entitlement.

 

I honestly don't think that MMORPGS are the hobby you should be playing.

Well, as much as I value your opinion...

/sarcasm

 

All humans have the enherent "right to pursue" happieness, <snip>

Wrong. We are complaining about the percentage of players who are actively campaigning to prevent us from achieving end game content for no reason other than lulz.

 

All humans except carebears I guess, huh?

[ScarletBlaze]

...I think the argument could be made that this companion is special, and as such the quest involves all aspects of the game.

 

I would ask though...can those aspects be listed? Does it involve crafting, space combat and other similar features? How about Flashpoints and Operations, Warzones, etc. Im sure at least some of those items are included, but how many?

 

I can give you this information I got from my guild member.

 

•You will need an alt of the opposite faction. It doesn’t have to be high level (Level 15 is ok). This is because one of HK 51’s components is obtained from the other faction’s territory but it is bind on legecy (i.e. you can mail it to your main)

•The more the merrier. When hunting down HK-51’s components, the more people you have to cover territory, the better. Once a component is unearthed, anyone nearby, regardless of if they are in your party/ops, can loot it. If you scanner detects a component nearby, make sure to call it out so other players can benefit as well!

•You will need to run two specific flashpoints as part of the quest.

•Only Coruscant and Dromund Kaas compoents are bound to legacy, rest of the components go straight to your mission tab of your inventory and are bound to that character. So yes, you will need a level 50 character to unlock HK-51 but there might be an option in the future to unlock it for other characters in your legacy.

 

Fatal Errors (Empire) | The Fatality (Republic) – Heroic 2+

 

Quest start – Belsavis Section X

 

New arrives to Section X will be greeted by a droid called G0-A1 (Empire) | B6-31 (Republic) not far from the ship landing pad. He will hand you a quest called Fatal Errors (Heroic 2+) for Empire players | The Fatality (Heroic 2+) for Republic players and ask you to track down General Avrun (Empire) | Bren (Republic) out in the Frozen Lake.

 

 

 

While this quest is labeled as a Heroic 2+, it can be soloed if you are decently geared.

 

You will need to head to the west portion of Section X and enter a subzone called The Frozen Lake.

 

 

 

Talking to General Avrun | Bren will lead you to the middle of map where you enter an instance for the mission. Here is the lore/quest text associated with this part of the mission.

 

 

 

Completing Fatal Errors will reward you with the following lore text for Fatality Crash

 

 

 

Theoretika portion– Heroic 2+

 

Completing Fatal Errors will grant you the next heroic 2+ mission: Directive: Activate Assassination Protocols for Empire players or Assertion: Repairs Required for Republic players.

 

 

7 HK Components

 

Component #1 (Transistor): Outlaw’s Den in Tatooine.

 

If you have the legacy perk purchased, you can just port to Outlaw’s Den directly. Otherwise, travel to Outlaw Den and seek out Collector Kezzit, the jawa vendor.Beware this place is free for all PVP so you will be flagged and could get griefed.

 

 

 

He sells two things you need to buy

 

Burba Seismic Excavator/Scanner for 50k (need it for other components) and Wrapped HK Transistor for 125K (first component of HK-51)

 

 

 

Component #2 (Chassis): Taris – Sinking City

 

At this time, I am not sure if the components are random spawns or spawns in a number of pre-determined locations. You will need to use the Burba Seismic Excavator/Scanner and click it (hotbar it). This will scan within 25m of it and tells you if it find it or not.

 

Here are some coordinates where people have reported finding the HK-component on Taris.

 

 

•-120, –157 (my location marked on the map)

•90, –100 (reported location)

•-51, –142 (second reported location)

 

Note that once unearthed, it will stay on the ground for 1 minute and allow anyone nearby to click it. Thus it is recommended that everyone work together in the rough area indicated in the map to locate it. Once it disappears, it will reappear in another location.

 

 

 

Component #3 (AI Regulator) Coruscant– Jedi Temple

 

If you are Imperial, you will need to make a Republic alt and level him/her to level 15ish or just have a high level escort you. You will need to head to Jedi Temple and take the elevator up. Again, the location is random and moves after someone found it. Here is where I got my (-2915, 3091)

 

 

 

Note that the component acquired from Coruscant goes straight into your inventory and it is bind to legacy so you can mail it to your main.

 

Component #4 (Motivator/Arm) Dromund Kaas – Dark Temple Approach

 

If you are Republic, you will need to make an Imperial character and level him/her to L15 or just have a high level escort you. You will need to head to the Dark Temple Approach. There is no exact coordinate but I got my on –1758, 517. The component moves after one person has found it so just hunt around the rough location on my map.

 

 

 

Note that the component acquired from Dromund Kass goes straight into your inventory and it is bind to legacy so you can mail it to your main.

 

Component #5 (Power Core) Hoth – Glacial Fissure

 

Hoth component can be acquired in the NE portion of Glacial Fissure, all around the wreck of Ambria’s Fury. This is one vast area to search and we finally found our component here at the locations 645, –869. Like other components, this one moves once someone unearth it so just search in the general area around the wreck.

 

 

 

Component #6 (Weapon Component) – False Emperor normal mode

 

HK-47 will drop the component required.

 

 

 

Component #7 (Loyalty Chip) – Hardmode Maelstrom Prison/Foundry

 

Foundry: Empire players will need to complete hardmode Foundry. At the end of Foundry, after you defeat Revan, there will be a Loyalty Chip that you can pick it up located right above the chest.

 

 

 

After you have all 7 components, you will be asked to return to General Avrun and this will complete the quest!

 

Lord of Agony– Heroic 2+

 

You receive this mission after completing Activate Assassination Protocols from Avrun or Repairs Required from Bren. Unlike the previous heroic 2+ missions, this one is actually a heroic mission as you will be facing trios of champion + 2 strongs. A lot of mobs can also heal, making this a bit more challenging than the previous heroic 2+s.

 

You are on the home stretch though! After you defeat Lord of Agony, you will get to activate HK-51 and watch a nice cinematic!

[LordArtemis]

Well, I would say based on all that it doesn't seem, at least to me, that unreasonable to expect a player to expose themselves to PVP. Especially considering one has to do Foundry on hard mode.

 

It's just another tough part of the quest.

[Tonymitsu]

Well, I would say based on all that it doesn't seem, at least to me, that unreasonable to expect a player to expose themselves to PVP. Especially considering one has to do Foundry on hard mode.

 

It's just another tough part of the quest.

 

No.

When people camp the vendor it is an uncompletable part of the quest.

If you don't PvP and don't have expertise gear you die to someone that does. Period.

Your recourse is to not do the content.

 

People can be carried through hard mode Foundry. Quite easily.

You can't carry someone through PvP.

[xboblee]

No.

When people camp the vendor it is an uncompletable part of the quest.

If you don't PvP and don't have expertise gear you die to someone that does. Period.

Your recourse is to not do the content.

 

People can be carried through hard mode Foundry. Quite easily.

You can't carry someone through PvP.

 

yeppers

[Monthigos]

This is such an irrelevant argument considering it takes exactly one minute to drive to the vendor and pick up the part. Even better yet is that no one is interested in shooting anyone else there. I accidentally clicked on a player and shot him in the face instead of the vendor, and he just sat there. I didn't really care and neither did he - we weren't there to fight. People who actually did this leg of the journey would realize it's no big deal.

[jonmoyer]

So i started my quest today to get my HK, now i am a pve player i play pvp every so often but dont have good PVP gear. As i get to outlaws den to begin my search i am kiled by another player pretty quickly and i am full BH. I figure no biggie its a pvp zone bound to get into a couple fights. I respawn go back and the same player finds me and kills me again, now im beginning to get pissed. Respawn and go back again with the exact same results. This person was camping killing everyone who entered. I ended up getting another player to come with me and that player still comes after us i think no big deal 2 on 1 now. about mid way through one of the players buddies shows up and they kill us. I took getting my guild involved to get the part without this player killing me. Now i am all for a hard quest to get the droid i prefer it but this is BS. If i was not a member of a guild i would not have had people to help me with this and would have gotten so frusterated i would have quit the quest possibly the game.

[QuiDonJorn]

Ok ok, I give up. No sense in fighting it, so to speak.

PvP is being forced on me, nothing I can do about it - I have no choice but to PvP for this companion quest.

Personally I hate, it but if it has to be done - lets get it over with.

[LordArtemis]

No.

When people camp the vendor it is an uncompletable part of the quest.

If you don't PvP and don't have expertise gear you die to someone that does. Period.

Your recourse is to not do the content.

 

People can be carried through hard mode Foundry. Quite easily.

You can't carry someone through PvP.

 

Well...the argument could be made that you could get someone to carry you through the area as well.

[Tonymitsu]

This is such an irrelevant argument considering it takes exactly one minute to drive to the vendor and pick up the part. Even better yet is that no one is interested in shooting anyone else there. I accidentally clicked on a player and shot him in the face instead of the vendor, and he just sat there. I didn't really care and neither did he - we weren't there to fight. People who actually did this leg of the journey would realize it's no big deal.

 

Wrong

Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post

How many people in this thread have started the HK-51 quest, went into the Outlaws Den and were prevented from reaching the vendor due to unwanted PvP?

/raises hand

 

Right here.

 

Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post

And how many people (like myself) had this experience:

 

1. Went into Outlaws Den.

2. Went to the vendor.

3. Bought stuff.

4. Left.

 

?

/points at self

 

Not this guy.

[Tonymitsu]

Well...the argument could be made that you could get someone to carry you through the area as well.

 

...No, it can't.

 

If you don't PvP and don't have expertise gear you die to someone that does. Period.

...<snip>

You can't carry someone through PvP.

 

Remember?

[Grumblejin]

i tried to get the component from the outlaws den yesterday and got ganked every time.(not fun)

when the server went down from 12am to 2am i just logged on and got it when the server came back up.

there where only 8 on tat at that time and only 3 where in outlaws den.

just wait till the rubber dummies are in bed and do right after downtime.

i was able to solo the whole quest chain except the last part those mobs hit like a truck so bring a meat shield.

[Monthigos]

Wrong

 

That wasn't my experience. That being said, I've played on a PvP server before and I'll tell you one thing: PvPers have a notoriously short attention span. The quest chain takes some time...go to another planet and look for another part and by the time you are done the camper will be gone. Or better yet, grab a group of people since there are so many people trying to do this right now. Threatening to quit over a slight inconvenience because someone can't stand dying to another player or not being able to do what the want when they want it is just silly. This is epic level, end game content. It's not supposed to be a walk in the park. That being said I still managed to do the whole quest in one sitting.

[Tonymitsu]

i tried to get the component from the outlaws den yesterday and got ganked every time.(not fun)

when the server went down from 12am to 2am i just logged on and got it when the server came back up.

there where only 8 on tat at that time and only 3 where in outlaws den.

just wait till the rubber dummies are in bed and do right after downtime.

i was able to solo the whole quest chain except the last part those mobs hit like a truck so bring a meat shield.

 

I work for a living. And I need to sleep at night. And do things when I wake up.

 

Logging in when the these kiddies are at school isn't always practical for me.

 

Boy I never realized before I started replying like this how often the same nonsense gets repeated over and over.

I'm starting to lose track of my original replies to quote.