Jestunhi Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 "Please be advised that activities and interactions that occur as part of player vs player combat on this type of server are not considered a form of harassment or actionable behaviour by Customer Service" Bioware That is all. Please provide a link to the source as this is completely the opposite of the actual game rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uuhwee Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 lol this cant be true!? Would be extremly ridiculous! If its true, what the f..k is wrong with this company? Dont they know that...... ahh come on im nearly done with this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izola Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) To OP: Dude u guys were spawn camping. Its one thing to stay near the boss and kill any red that comes near. But you went to their GY and camped em. Your not bad asss, in fact, your whole Ops group seems like weaklings to me. You want to push em back, fine, but when ur not letting people rezz to get off planet your griefing, plain and simple. Im all for "if its red its dead" and "events" and random OWPvP, but you guys sat there and camped a PvE guild for the better part of 2 Hrs, what did u think was gonna happen. Oh and, damn u guys got a lot of time on your hands, werent even getttin valor....sheesh. Edited February 18, 2012 by Izola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amp_ Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Please provide a link to the source as this is completely the opposite of the actual game rules. I believe that is either the description of the server or the warning you get when choosing a pvp server. It's from the server selection screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestunhi Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I believe that is either the description of the server or the warning you get when choosing a pvp server. It's from the server selection screen. In which case the real question is which is correct, the char creation screen or the rules of conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lendaugy Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 PVP on a PVP Server, results in a warning? Really....?? Im going to go ahead and require proof before i believe this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilly Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 this game is carebear to the core..... From world design, to pvp, bioware made a childrens game... Fits the majority of the subscribers though doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 The whole story, they attacked us first. We did the PVP thing and made a call out on the TS server.... We rolled in and camped the boss, didnt take it down, but protected it instead. Tag the boss as they get there and then wipe them. Actually thought this was cool and enjoyed the PVP. After a bit, most of us left but some stay around harassing the repubs by attacking them while they engaged the boss and such. Perhaps on a PVE server that would be wrong. But on a PVP server, PVP happens, you have to plan for the opposing faction and IMHO be ready to abandon running a world boss or cancel a RAID because the entrance is blocked by the opposing faction. BW tends to be really carebearish though, so I could see them saying this is harassment or griefing. If that is the case, it's their game and I wont complain about it. I do consider that wrong. The first post was rather acceptable. You stumble upon the Republic players taking down the world boss and then killed them. That's PvP and that happens. Camping the world boss and most importantly "tagging the boss" is just harassment and it is griefing by my definition. You were purposefully doing something just to harass them and aggravate them. That's not PvP. That's being a dick. You also specifically used the word harassing in your post to describe your own actions. You are doing something of an ******e nature, recognise it, and continue to do it. How is that not griefing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Please provide a link to the source as this is completely the opposite of the actual game rules. It's listed whenever you log into a PvP server from the server selection screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amp_ Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 In which case the real question is which is correct, the char creation screen or the rules of conduct. Beats me. Only BioWare can tell us if this is acceptable or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amp_ Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I do consider that wrong. The first post was rather acceptable. You stumble upon the Republic players taking down the world boss and then killed them. That's PvP and that happens. Camping the world boss and most importantly "tagging the boss" is just harassment and it is griefing by my definition. You were purposefully doing something just to harass them and aggravate them. That's not PvP. That's being a dick. You also specifically used the word harassing in your post to describe your own actions. You are doing something of an ******e nature, recognise it, and continue to do it. How is that not griefing? Due to the fact that we share world bosses, that would lead me to believe they're meant to be fought over. If the opposite faction is stopping you, the matter can easily be resolved through pvp - kill 'em all. It's not harassment, it's pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humankeg Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 If true, then BS. Sshot or didn't happen though imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRINnBARRETT Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Well I don't have an opinion about whether you should have gotten warned or not, but it does look like the classic definition of griefing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDFX Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 OP, I really want to see a screen shot of the warning from in game and/or a copy of it from email. If what you are saying is the whole truth then you have a legitamate gripe if this occured on a PVP server and should be posting here and writing a ticket of your own. I can see a whole guild writing a QQ letter to support and getting this sort of hot button respnse from a CSR that didn't think it through. No matter the game rules, if enough people whine about one person that some one is getting a shaft... Fair or not. Appeal is your only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkiree Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 In Aion, we used to fight over Menitios in the core all the time. Stopping the other faction was OK. I can't believe you recieved a warning for this. Shame on Bioware... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuxiewuxie Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Damn carebears on pvp servers, maybe u said some naughty words to those pubs as I can't imagine being warned over fighting over a world boss lol but @op I'm jealous u had alotta fun @carebears so he and few others were tagging the boss it's not griefing, why should they be allowed to get the phat lootz for free at all. if 1 or 2 players can deny a whole group of a world boss then that pub group just sucks, they could have called more backup but ofc they only want the loot for themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrustyDog Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 It's most likely due to what you were doing to the boos, not the players. Even in WoW, you could be banned for the same thing IF you were abusing the boss in order to make it more difficult for players. If you were killing the adds and watching it explode their raid, most companies will say it is not pvp and you'll get your warning. If you were tagging the boss, even though you knew you'd lose, just so they would have to reset it, you were griefing. Real pvp at a world boss means killing them while they try to kill the boss. Douchebaggery and griefing is when you know you can't so you exploit mechanics to stop them. That's when you get a warning. My, how civilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightysword Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 There is many way to dick the other sides at the Belsavis world boss: - Jump their tank. - Jump their healers. - Tag the boss. - Kill the adds to force the boss enrange ...etc... I wouldn't call any of them PvPing, and no, I don't care much for how you want to call or justify it as PvPing. I tell you what I think, I think you self-appointed "true" PvPers are the same one who: - Trade kill on illum. - Camp lowbie zone. - Sneak attacking someone who is at 10% health fighting elites. Yes, I guess you can call be me a carebear, and this carebear does: - Attack all enemies questing in the same area. - Attack whoever he runs into in daily. - Wait for his enemy to killed enaged mobs before attack. - Kill those who try to gank him. - Spend 2 hours each on 3 toons Group pvping inside the Crezka cave on Hoth. - Wasted ungodly amount of time PvPing in front of the Voss Healing Shrine. - Only join Illum's hunt group, I refuse to be part of the Trade Group. Before you say anything, stop, I don't care what you call yourself or what you want to call me. There are PvPers like me and there are PvPers like you. Bottom like is look like the Developers take my side, so more power to me and suck to be you. Don't like it? Leave. In fact I can show you the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belialle Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I find it a little hard to believe that this happened. Do you have a screen shot? I've never even heard of a game where this kind of behavior would cause players to be sanctioned or warned on a PvP server. There's a PvP solution to the problem, and if they aren't happy about, it ..... Well, that's what PvE servers are there for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oteefo Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) I find it a little hard to believe that this happened. Do you have a screen shot? I've never even heard of a game where this kind of behavior would cause players to be sanctioned or warned on a PvP server. There's a PvP solution to the problem, and if they aren't happy about, it ..... Well, that's what PvE servers are there for. It happened in the FF MMO......guilds were "hoarding" certain loot points/bosses and denying other players access, resulted in massive banhammering.... Edited February 18, 2012 by Oteefo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TipsyDrow Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Sounds like you guys tried to start a grand battle on a pvp server. Which if I'm correct in my understanding is what is supposed to happen on pvp servers yes? All out war, imps fighting pubs....griefing...i don't see the griefing here. I rolled on a pve server because I like to sometimes quest in peace. pvp alot in war zones. Maybe those republics should have done the same. I would expect to be attacked on a pvp server....nono wait...I would WANT to be attacked, that is the entire point!!! Blah....sorry to here about the warnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradigamer Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I suppose whether I'd be mad or not would depend on how the mods handled it. If one came in and said, hey guys, enough, you won. Good job, but let the poor saps kill their boss now, I wouldn't be annoyed, but if they came in all nasty about it, I'd be like, is this a pvp server or isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoL-K-Noob Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Smart move by BioWare, dont catered to the minority of "hardcore" pvpers who would also say spawn camping ilum is fine prepatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosene Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Please provide a link to the source as this is completely the opposite of the actual game rules. Completely opposite to game rules? Honestly, where do you people come from?! Go to server selection screen and read the tooltip, I just quoted from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algeroth Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Isn't there like a warning when you choose to play in a pvp server that it is player vs player? Also I remember reading somewhere that "it's not greifing if a situation is resolved through pvp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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