Naroga Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 A couple of days ago, a person had a huge thread requesting video evidence of operatives killing people within 3 seconds. He claimed nobody could provide it, because, in his opinion, operatives and scoundrels were fine and everybody was lying. Well, here is the proof: You can see that the scoundrel has normal buffs on almost all of the fights. He repeatedly opens with a 5.5k crit followed by a 3.5k crit. He absolutely decimates a Marauder in 3 seconds about a third of the way through the video. He is also fighting level 50's, so the claim of "it was just low levels before!" is invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domiinick Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 They're getting a nerf. Stop these threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zizzefex Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I didn't know Marauders only had 9k hp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deshie Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 That's not proof! This is real proof http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=240500 Watch him 6.6k opener on geared 50s. This was taken after the biochem nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarthorn Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 You are a bit late on this one, Bioware are already nerfing Ops/Scoundrels. Yes Opener needed a nerf as that's where the big spike is coming from however, nerfing flechettes armor piercing is definatley an overnerf and will be more hurtful to PvE than PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amp_ Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 They're getting a nerf. Stop these threads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAZ8xwXE5UY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redderic Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) hmmm i wonder how hard it is for a guy with 1. 466 exp 2. his 2 set bonus for columi 3. his 2 set bonus for champ to actually kill a completely undergeared marauder. take note that the guy clearly has no pvp gear. im sorry but 12k hps is a clear sign of no gear. after that first kill you will notice that the jugg has about 14k hp which means he has a few pieces which gives him more of a chance but also note that the crits drop to 3k on avg which is normal against a moderately geared tank. then again its still possible to be at 14k hps without any pvp gear so sorry, still not impressed at all. in fact half the kills he had in the entire video if not more were of the same undergeared marauder. this is actually pathetic and seems more likely to be a video aimed at trying to degrade that 1 player. the only person i saw him attack in the entire video that seemed to be decently geared was the BH at 1:30 into it. Note there that not 1 attack hit for even 3k dmg. he got close with a 2.9k but still completely manageable unless your in a big battle with attention everywhere. Also take note that at 2:00 minutes into the fight the same BH pulls him and starts beating on him and the video cuts out LMAO way to hide your loss there. all i saw in this video was a scoundrel showing off kills vs lower geared opponents. not a single kill of someone that is in BM or full Champ in a 1v1 scenario where attention isnt devided. the 2 last kills were the most geared but 1st was a sorc. Light armor... no big suprise that a heavy dmg crit hit for high dmg. 2nd once again not a 1v1 sorry but many classes can kill people fast in a 2v1, there i broke that whole pathetic video down for you OP. fail post is fail Edited January 28, 2012 by Redderic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor_Grammar Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Honestly I would have just been fine if the cc broke after the first hit. Nerf is a bit much and I think they went around it wrong, but bringing someone from 100-0 (or close enough) without them being able to fight back is utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safewayundrwear Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Its ok. They are already nerfing our class. BH/Troopers are next alright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintan Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Omg another whinner, stop crying and go play another class if you get butthurt when an steath kills you. QQ QQ Stealths get killed quickly after that first kill if they don't run away quick - that's the trade off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycoon Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) I would tell you, you're just beatin a dead horse. However, this video has my fav song in it "sail" So good find. Edited January 28, 2012 by Tycoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajjantis Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Interesting video. -Look for players with little to no pvp gear / sub 14k hp. -Open, backblast, reopen. (Make sure to only show kills when buffs are maxed and every attack crits -Move to next clip of the same vs more undergeared players. Man look out! This class is waaaaaay overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savionen Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Still take 14k damage in 3-4 seconds with 400 expertise as a shadow tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McVade Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) Interesting video. -Look for players with little to no pvp gear / sub 14k hp. -Open, backblast, reopen. (Make sure to only show kills when buffs are maxed and every attack crits -Move to next clip of the same vs more undergeared players. Man look out! This class is waaaaaay overpowered. Yes, because people should be in full Battlemaster to survive an Operative long enough to push a single button before death. PvP in this game is a sick joke. Edited January 28, 2012 by McVade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajjantis Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Still take 14k damage in 3-4 seconds with 400 expertise as a shadow tank. I wont argue with that at all. You're in light armor. If I opened on you with red buff / relic and Opener, shiv, backstab, lacerate all crit. You're very likely going to be taking 10-12k damage. Granted im at 670 expertise. Verses a commando or warrior type with 600 expertise, however, I would be hard pressed to push 10k if all 4 of my attacks crit. Unfortunately thats not what usually happens. Its a very sad moment when you have a red buff and open with a non crit of 1600 damage followed by 1200, 1600, 1200. Don't get me wrong, I am for the nerf. But people legitimately need to stop taking videos like this seriously. Everyone remembers the time when the operative/scoundrel pops out on them and crits everything and obliterates them, but they never remember all the many times when that doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryotknife Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 They're getting a nerf. Stop these threads. ^ i dont see the point of rubbing it in other than trolling. yes bioware knows that operatives/scoundrels are OP, that is why they are getting nerfed. you dont need to provide proof as to why they are OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimsane Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I wont argue with that at all. You're in light armor. Sin/shadow tank = dark charge/combat technique= nearly the same armor as heavies, just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilbrood Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 That's not proof! This is real proof http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=240500 Watch him 6.6k opener on geared 50s. This was taken after the biochem nerf. 6.6k isn't much. A lot of classes can pop off 6.6k when they start on someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savionen Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) 6.6k isn't much. A lot of classes can pop off 6.6k when they start on someone. Like who? Every other class that has burst is more back-end. And the random few other classes that can actually get a 5k hit... that's ALL they have. Edited January 28, 2012 by savionen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kckkryptonite Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Interesting video. -Look for players with little to no pvp gear / sub 14k hp. -Open, backblast, reopen. (Make sure to only show kills when buffs are maxed and every attack crits -Move to next clip of the same vs more undergeared players. Man look out! This class is waaaaaay overpowered. First OPeratives were hiding behind the "It's levels 10's and the buff-stacking!". 50 brackets, implemented and adrenal stacking removed - Operatives continue to backpedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajjantis Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) First OPeratives were hiding behind the "It's levels 10's and the buff-stacking!". 50 brackets, implemented and adrenal stacking removed - Operatives continue to backpedal. Not backpedaling, buddy. As I said a few posts ago, I am not against the nerf. I just believe they went about it the wrong way. I think what needed to be nerfed was the bonus we get from *criticals*. As shown in this video (where the dude only shows his critical opener, twice, and a critical backshot), when every single attack crits, you kill people fast. Edited January 29, 2012 by Paralassa content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kromzor Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 6.6k isn't much. A lot of classes can pop off 6.6k when they start on someone. LOL no. Like some other guy said, if it comes its at the back end. IE. after they stack Debuffs/Buffs, Procs come online, and they get a lucky crit to top it all off. Not in first 3-4 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naroga Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 I can't pull anywhere close to those numbers as a Sentinel. Plus, my class has a ramp-up time due to focus generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lJustAlexl Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 6.6k isn't much. A lot of classes can pop off 6.6k when they start on someone. Did you feel even the slightest pang of guilt as you posted this blatant lie or are you numb to such thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoantran Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I wont argue with that at all. You're in light armor. If I opened on you with red buff / relic and Opener, shiv, backstab, lacerate all crit. You're very likely going to be taking 10-12k damage. Granted im at 670 expertise. Verses a commando or warrior type with 600 expertise, however, I would be hard pressed to push 10k if all 4 of my attacks crit. Unfortunately thats not what usually happens. Its a very sad moment when you have a red buff and open with a non crit of 1600 damage followed by 1200, 1600, 1200. Don't get me wrong, I am for the nerf. But people legitimately need to stop taking videos like this seriously. Everyone remembers the time when the operative/scoundrel pops out on them and crits everything and obliterates them, but they never remember all the many times when that doesn't happen. dude... u guys do this ALL the time and i'm geared very well. and then u run away with a cc when i turn the tables around.... a lesser geared player hss no chance and i feel sorry for them.^^; i have couple new 50 friends who'll just won't even get a chance to respond like i can to ur 3 second kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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