MilesTheFox Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I have to say to the casual crowd, take your time in enjoying this game. Don't think you have to race to 50 because some player on the forum did. Move at your own pace through this game. I'm probably one of the few casual players with two accounts, one rep and one imp. Levels 20 and 17. Don't be afraid of the changes the hardcores are demanding (more PvP, harsher consequences for death). Simply civilly voice your disagreement, then go back to playing. So for the Casual PvE crowd that's here for the story and KOTOR3 with co-op elements, I salute you. We'll move slowly through this game, and thus not moan about there being no one at endgame yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadysketchy Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Please don't try to incite Casual behavior World of Warcraft got a lot worse, once Blizzard started giving casuals whatever they asked for; I'd like for BioWare to avoid that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesTheFox Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Please don't try to incite Casual behavior World of Warcraft got a lot worse, once Blizzard started giving casuals whatever they asked for; I'd like for BioWare to avoid that *incites* Casuals, BEING a casual gamer means you have an existence outside whatever game you're playing. You have a job. A family. Maybe gaming is just ONE of several hobbies. Hardcores would have you believe you have to play for hours on end every day or ultimately fail at the game. We must prove them wrong. At least no babies have died from neglect from TOR. Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadysketchy Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 *incites* Casuals, BEING a casual gamer means you have an existence outside whatever game you're playing. You have a job. A family. Maybe gaming is just ONE of several hobbies. Hardcores would have you believe you have to play for hours on end every day or ultimately fail at the game. We must prove them wrong. At least no babies have died from neglect from TOR. Yet. Your definition of "casual" and "hardcore" are incorrect Anyway, BioWare should design SWTOR for people that are good at MMOs, regardless of how much time they have to spend on the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vydor_HC Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I have to say to the casual crowd, take your time in enjoying this game. Don't think you have to race to 50 because some player on the forum did. Move at your own pace through this game. I'm probably one of the few casual players with two accounts, one rep and one imp. Levels 20 and 17. Don't be afraid of the changes the hardcores are demanding (more PvP, harsher consequences for death). Simply civilly voice your disagreement, then go back to playing. So for the Casual PvE crowd that's here for the story and KOTOR3 with co-op elements, I salute you. We'll move slowly through this game, and thus not moan about there being no one at endgame yet. I agree, it takes all kinds to make a good MMO. Casual play is how I've played for a dozen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus_Rex Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I really hope death in the game is not changed. I die most of the time from lag, and the game already has too many money sinks without harsh consequences for death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eysaathe Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Please don't try to incite Casual behavior World of Warcraft got a lot worse, once Blizzard started giving casuals whatever they asked for; I'd like for BioWare to avoid that All I can say to that is lol. As for casuals not being discouraged, I'm not. This game is already very friendly to casual players and for that I am thankful. WoW was not casual friendly, if you didn't have 5+ hours a day to dedicate to playing you were pretty much set up for failure. I think this game is great, it's a lot of fun and I'm glad that I can poke along at my own pace and still feel like I'm accomplishing something. Even if they do make changes that cater to a more hardcore gaming crowd, I won't complain - I'll adapt. Because unlike a lot of the hardcore gaming types, I don't have a problem with compromising and sharing a friendly gaming experience with everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesTheFox Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Your definition of "casual" and "hardcore" are incorrect Anyway, BioWare should design SWTOR for people that are good at MMOs, regardless of how much time they have to spend on the game So you're saying any new MMO players should have to suck on a stick and deal with a frustrating learning curve? Yeah, that'll make money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesTheFox Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 All I can say to that is lol. As for casuals not being discouraged, I'm not. This game is already very friendly to casual players and for that I am thankful. WoW was not casual friendly, if you didn't have 5+ hours a day to dedicate to playing you were pretty much set up for failure. I think this game is great, it's a lot of fun and I'm glad that I can poke along at my own pace and still feel like I'm accomplishing something. Even if they do make changes that cater to a more hardcore gaming crowd, I won't complain - I'll adapt. Because unlike a lot of the hardcore gaming types, I don't have a problem with compromising and sharing a friendly gaming experience with everyone. Pretty much this. The healthiest gaming communities have something for everyone. It's just that these forums are starting to scare me. That, and I learned something new: that sometimes the best and most strict forum moderation can be the worst thing for your community. I just don't like PvP. Once upon a time (after finishing KOTOR1 for the 4th time) I would've loved facing another player's character. But not in this ultra-competitive atmosphere that has engulfed much of the gaming industry lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowred Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Casuals pay the bills... there are far more casuals in every MMO than any other group we're not easily discouraged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedistreen Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Please don't try to incite Casual behavior World of Warcraft got a lot worse, once Blizzard started giving casuals whatever they asked for; I'd like for BioWare to avoid that I play WoW. I am what you would call a 'casual' player, averaging an hour a day in play time. The reason so many people complained was because WoW didn't cater to casuals at ALL. What was it, 2-3% of the player base downed Ragnaros before the FL nerf? That's not an awful lot when you have 10 million player in the game. Most people who play these games play to have some fun, to relax, not to be screamed at by some elitist raid geared jerk using the anonymity of the internet to trash their gear when they get in a group. If every game only catered to the hardcore players, Those games wouldn't have a whole lot of subs. Like it or not, 'casuals' make up the majority of the player base, you have to cater to them at least a little. Inb4 someone calling me a bad, I tank as a death knight in fully gemmed/enchanted gear, with glyphs. Go look up Fratictale on the WoW forums, click on the 85 death knight, inspect in advanced viewing, then make your assumptions about what kind of player I am. Casual does NOT equal bad, as most people seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankybrit Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Please don't try to incite Casual behavior World of Warcraft got a lot worse, once Blizzard started giving casuals whatever they asked for; I'd like for BioWare to avoid that What on earth are you going on about? No one in WoW is catering to a casual 'I'll level at my own pace and enjoy the story as I go'. That concept just doesn't exist in WoW. What you're talking about is Casual endgame vs Hardcore endgame in WoW, and that's got nothing to do with what the OP was talking about. I'm with you, OP. Level at your own pace. Enjoy the story and the cinematics and all that SWTOR has to offer. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grammarye Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 No such thing as casual & hardcore. They are labels invented by people desiring to separate themselves without realising that there are more than two types of people who play games. The motivations for that separation vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eysaathe Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) Your definition of "casual" and "hardcore" are incorrect Anyway, BioWare should design SWTOR for people that are good at MMOs, regardless of how much time they have to spend on the game Your comment about BioWare designing SWTOR for people who are "good" at MMO's... That's silly - there are many different ways to be "good" at playing an MMO. Maybe one person is really good at PVP while another doesn't like PVP but is great at organizing raids. Why does it have to be so black and white? It's incredibly selfish that you think just because someone doesn't have hours and hours to dedicate to becoming a master of an MMO universe means they shouldn't be able to enjoy playing an MMO like you do. If someone was eating a chocolate ice cream cone would you knock it out of their hands because you don't like chocolate? Grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child. Edited December 30, 2011 by Eysaathe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoggyMack Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Please don't try to incite Casual behavior World of Warcraft got a lot worse, once Blizzard started giving casuals whatever they asked for; I'd like for BioWare to avoid that So if WoW is no longer targeting you and this game already doesn't target you as a customer, what game is left for you to play Shady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesTheFox Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 I play WoW. I am what you would call a 'casual' player, averaging an hour a day in play time. The reason so many people complained was because WoW didn't cater to casuals at ALL. What was it, 2-3% of the player base downed Ragnaros before the FL nerf? That's not an awful lot when you have 10 million player in the game. Most people who play these games play to have some fun, to relax, not to be screamed at by some elitist raid geared jerk using the anonymity of the internet to trash their gear when they get in a group. If every game only catered to the hardcore players, Those games wouldn't have a whole lot of subs. Like it or not, 'casuals' make up the majority of the player base, you have to cater to them at least a little. Inb4 someone calling me a bad, I tank as a death knight in fully gemmed/enchanted gear, with glyphs. Go look up Fratictale on the WoW forums, click on the 85 death knight, inspect in advanced viewing, then make your assumptions about what kind of player I am. Casual does NOT equal bad, as most people seem to think. Bravo, sir. You just summed up a decent part of the communities of most multiplayer games: 1. If someone's worse than you, they're bad. 2. If someone's better than you, they're a no-life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastorfrog Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I have to say to the casual crowd, take your time in enjoying this game. Don't think you have to race to 50 because some player on the forum did. Move at your own pace through this game. I'm probably one of the few casual players with two accounts, one rep and one imp. Levels 20 and 17. Don't be afraid of the changes the hardcores are demanding (more PvP, harsher consequences for death). Simply civilly voice your disagreement, then go back to playing. So for the Casual PvE crowd that's here for the story and KOTOR3 with co-op elements, I salute you. We'll move slowly through this game, and thus not moan about there being no one at endgame yet. Heh, I wouldn't worry. The vast majority of the casual player base has no idea that some of the "hardcores" are upset, and likely wouldn't give a fig about it if they did. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riotus Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Please don't try to incite Casual behavior World of Warcraft got a lot worse, once Blizzard started giving casuals whatever they asked for; I'd like for BioWare to avoid that casual players are the majority not the minority. If bioware wants to see the sub sizes wow did, they will cater to the casuals. Not all of us live in mommas basement and can raid 5 nights a week. The majority of us have a 40 hr a week job, and a wife/family to keep happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granrick Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Please don't try to incite Casual behavior World of Warcraft got a lot worse, once Blizzard started giving casuals whatever they asked for; I'd like for BioWare to avoid that I consider myself a gamer. Not a hardcore, and not a casual. I played WoW since vanilla, and still do, but I don't raid. To me MMOs are all about the journey from 1 to the cap. I have little interest in end game content that doesn't advance my character's "story". But I like a challenge. I do like content that makes me feel like I achieved something and rewards me as such. In my opinion Cataclysm was the single best expansion to WoW ever. Why? Because it introduced a consistant storyline for each zone with heavy use of phazing. In my opinion SWTOR is the next step in that line of gaming. It's taking that story bit to the next level, and for gamers like me it's awesome. So please, don't degrade the "casual" player. There's nothing wrong with playing the game at your own speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spliffmaster Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Casual does not equal bad. There are good and bad players, period. Just do your best to learn how your class works and everyone will be fine. I played WoW since BETA and while the community got worse, I do believe it was due to bad players thinking they should be entitled to everything that great players did. Anyhow, I am thoroughly enjoying this game, level by level and can't wait to see end game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesTheFox Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Heh, I wouldn't worry. The vast majority of the casual player base has no idea that some of the "hardcores" are upset, and likely wouldn't give a fig about it if they did. XD I really hope you're right. But I've seen a handful of games go down the fail-tubes because the developer listened to the wrong demographic: the vocal minority on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadysketchy Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 So if WoW is no longer targeting you and this game already doesn't target you as a customer, what game is left for you to play Shady? I don't know, I guess I should get good at Starcraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesTheFox Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Casual does not equal bad. There are good and bad players, period. Just do your best to learn how your class works and everyone will be fine. I played WoW since BETA and while the community got worse, I do believe it was due to bad players thinking they should be entitled to everything that great players did. Anyhow, I am thoroughly enjoying this game, level by level and can't wait to see end game. But a community is largely defined by HOW THEY DEAL WITH LESS-SKILLED PLAYERS. Far more often, sadly, a new player or struggling player is kicked, rather than helped, or advice given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recondelta Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 You can't be hardcore in an internet game. You can only be a failure in RL or someone who recognizes this is a game meant to be fun and not consume your life and soul. Please stay casual Bioware, screw the nolifers most cant even pay their bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eysaathe Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 casual players are the majority not the minority. If bioware wants to see the sub sizes wow did, they will cater to the casuals. Not all of us live in mommas basement and can raid 5 nights a week. The majority of us have a 40 hr a week job, and a wife/family to keep happy. Well said, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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