xkcurtisx Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 It's sad that it has come to this. It will be interesting when the Ops forum is dead, class forums are dead, no more class guides, streamers, guilds, and most importantly players disappear from the game. The day Dulfy stops supporting this game, TorCommunity isn't there, it will be a interesting sight to see what mess BW has made of this. And if Pvpers follow suit as well even more so. look at first page check dulfy's comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeru Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Eric this comes for you and your stupid dev team who is behind this decision good job destroying your own game with stupid ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehighclub Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 look at first page check dulfy's comment Can you link it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omeru Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) It's sad that it has come to this. It will be interesting when the Ops forum is dead, class forums are dead, no more class guides, streamers, guilds, and most importantly players disappear from the game. The day Dulfy stops supporting this game, TorCommunity isn't there, it will be a interesting sight to see what mess BW has made of this. And if Pvpers follow suit as well even more so. most of the pvpers already left the game that's why pvp server are dead, this game is going to die with these idiot dev. team i really dont care if they ban me saying truth about dev. team this game turned into i piece of **** with this retardad crew. Funny thing they did this announcement when there is a 75% sale on wow so perfect timing to force your raiders to make angry gg biofail Edited December 8, 2015 by omeru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braggalo Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) This is so flabberghastingly illogic. To put better rewards into softer content simply kills the motivation of doing them more than once after 4.0. This is the hidden expression of: We don't cater to endcontent pve gamers any more (which they did in PVP a long time ago already) and an open broken promise that there would never be a gap of 14 months between new OPs anymore. Any entreprise breaking promises destroys credibility, thus losing money usually instead of making it. Here it may even be possible this won't happen as the raiding community is too small and/or won't necessarily leave because of their groups and friends. Sad, illogic and a slap to the face to me and my raid groups and to many raiding players I know. P.S.: the recent class changes go in the same direction, nerfing classes which already have a hard time beating nim dps checks, just why?!? You want to force players to use an insanely expensive one-time-use nim crystal? If so, then say so! Start communicating with us! *sigh* too late anyway Edited December 8, 2015 by Braggalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kianabamin Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I unsubscribed yesterday. It worked splendidly as my recurring sub was supposed to be renewed yesterday / today. Today I feel relieved because I don't have to care about lack of endgame raiding and pvp content anymore or hope for BW developers to do something sensible on that area of the game. Abandoning false hope is really healthy. Yesterday it said "You have 0 days left.." Now it says "Your play time will be ending soon." One more TROLOLOOLOL @ BW communication about things. Stellar job. Stellar job. It is sort of odd the sense of peace I had this morning when I got up and didn't run to my PC to check into the game before the update. Sort of a melancholy moment. I'm sad because I love playing Star Wars games. But I'm tired of being angry about stupid developers and that little turd Muskrat and the minions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruskaeth Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 It's very liberating to not subscribe to this game after couple of years of continuous fails from developers. After one solid subscription since pre-access until today I feel amazing. It's most definitely true, not having active subscription (soonTM by BW) feels great. (an hour or two I am guessing, maybe midnight?) Lets see... 125 cargos full of goodies, 70% of CM armors added to collections (most likely closer to 90%-95% if I'd just wear things from cargos), tons of mounts, massive collection of decorations, lots of credits (mind-bogglingly much, you would not believe), 23 or 24 characters at 65 (iirc). Couple of 224 geared characters, few optimized 220 toons and some achievements + NiM decorations and mounts gathered on the side. All that is nothing. All that mattered was competitive raiding at a point and spending time with good persons while raiding. Raiding was the glue. Hard core and then semi-hard core was the level of raiding everyone in the group aimed for. In the end it was not the purpose for most. Still, not having any of that in the game and the group breaks to smaller groups, some leave for good only to drop by to say hi on guild site every month or so. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoAnt Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 you go think about my questions and come back . I didn't go think about your questions, there's nothing to think about since it fails short of any logic throughout it. I did go out cause I have a life, which you don't respect cause either you don't have one or cause you are here simply for the purpose of trolling the topic, or both. Interestingly enough, such sock puppet like post with pure dumbing down trolling only pop'ed up when I mentioned WoW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_NovaBlast_ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I didn't go think about your questions, there's nothing to think about since it fails short of any logic throughout it. I did go out cause I have a life, which you don't respect cause either you don't have one or cause you are here simply for the purpose of trolling the topic, or both. Interestingly enough, such sock puppet like post with pure dumbing down trolling only pop'ed up when I mentioned WoW. LOL you keep telling yourself that.....you seem to very offended and upset by a simple observation and questions ... but its ok you don't need to respond, your silence speaks volumes Also the fact that you have to resort to insults and personal attacks as your response well,,,,,, that speaks volumes to. Edited December 8, 2015 by _NovaBlast_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volcan Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) So is NiM mode supposed to be played mentally on the forums now, battling the nightmare of Bioware design implementations? Edited December 8, 2015 by Volcan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoAnt Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) LOL you keep telling yourself that.....you seem to very offended and upset by a simple observation and questions ... but its ok you don't need to respond, your silence speaks volumes [/Quote] My silence says the same as my words: there is no merit on your post. Moving on, past the irrelevance... Edited December 8, 2015 by MarcoAnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDymond Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Wow. I don't do HM or NiM Ops in this game, so this doesn't affect me personally, and I am perfectly okay with the way SWTOR has been de-emphisizing the importance of Ops to the overall game design since KotFE, but even I think this is really a poor design choice. If you're going to have high-level raiding content in your game, even as an artifact of an earlier design / vision, then do it right. I can understand the desire to funnel people into the Weekly HM, but having the Weekly leap-frog the entire NiM tier in terms of gear drops is not the right incentive to use. The hardest content should give the best rewards. Between never giving ToS or Rav a NiM, removing the NiMs for EV and KP instead of making them distinct from their HMs, and now this, it gives a pretty clear impression that BW isn't really on-board with the three-tier difficulty progression anymore - and while I have no problem with that choice in-and-of itself if that's the case, this sloppy treatment of the NiMs isn't the way to implement it. Either take out NiM Ops if you don't want them mucking up whatever vision you have for the gear progression (the lesser of two options, I don't think it is ever a good idea for an MMO to remove content if it can be at all avoided), or give them a 100% drop rate equivalent to the HM Weekly, befitting the hardest Raid content in the game. It is not like setting those loot tables to reflect their relative difficulty would require a notable man-power investment the way updating the EV and KP NiMs would have. Edited December 8, 2015 by DarthDymond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_NovaBlast_ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) My silence says the same as my words: there is no merit on your post. Moving on, past the irrelevance... keep telling yourself that to ... if it didn't have merit you would not be taking it so personally and would have no problem answering them just to prove it. Another observation ....If my reply had "no merit" why are you bothering to respond at all if your not going to prove why it has no merit? The response you did give has no actual relevant content other than to personally attack and insult me . Edited December 8, 2015 by _NovaBlast_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 keep telling yourself that to ... if it didn't have merit you would not be taking it so personally and would have no problem answering them just to prove it. Another observation ....If my reply had "no merit" why are you bothering to respond at all if your not going to prove why it has no merit? The response you did give has no actual relevant content other than to personally attack and insult me . I think the overwhelming reaction is in reference to the difference in rewards from HM to NiM. It's true some people will only do NiM for gear, but after thinking about the subject for a night , the real issue is that you actually get a worse reward for NiM than HM. I still don't believe NiM needs to drop 224 gear, but it does need to drop something better than 220 (not necessarily gear). It's nice to be rewarded for your efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_NovaBlast_ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I think the overwhelming reaction is in reference to the difference in rewards from HM to NiM. It's true some people will only do NiM for gear, but after thinking about the subject for a night , the real issue is that you actually get a worse reward for NiM than HM. I still don't believe NiM needs to drop 224 gear, but it does need to drop something better than 220 (not necessarily gear). It's nice to be rewarded for your efforts. I agree it is nice to be rewarded that not in dispute. What i am asking is......even if the reward is worse if you truly enjoy the activity itself why would the "reward " or "lack" of reward stop you from doing it? Edited December 8, 2015 by _NovaBlast_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonfendm Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I agree it is nice to be rewarded that not in dispute. What i am asking is......even if the reward is worse if you truly enjoy the activity itself why would the "reward " or "lack" of reward stop you from doing it? Because it is old content? Literally the only thing they could do to make old NiM content "relevant" is to offer a NEW reward for it. They recycled it on the premise that they wanted all content to be relevant, there words, not mine. What makes the existing NiMs relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I agree it is nice to be rewarded that not in dispute. What i am asking is......even if the reward is worse if you truly enjoy the activity itself why would the "reward " or "lack" of reward stop you from doing it? Once? Nothing. But it helps with replay value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Why are people asking stupid questions from the point of view of not actually being in the position of spending large amounts of time working with others to do the content. Some people put in the time because they like the social aspect Some people like playing with others who really know their gameplay Some like to beat content which the vast majority players cannot. All people like to get the best gear Some people like to put slow walk on and go round fleet with the title and mount for 20 minutes before getting bored and going back to socialising with their guild. Bottom line is whatever your reasons the players putting in the large quantities of time and effort to organise themselves need to remain in a state of feeling it was worth it. Stripping out gear as a reason for doing NiM is an excellent way to guarantee you piss off everyone. Getting the achievement is a ONE time thing. Ditto Mount. Enjoying the content because its shiny wears off. Something that rehashing ancient content we did for years certainly drives home. Exclusive gear to hardest modes has been a carrot with some replay value for NiM since the game launched. The level of out of touch is unbelievable. Edited December 8, 2015 by Gyronamics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_NovaBlast_ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Once? Nothing. But it helps with replay value. perhaps ...I think as far as replay value goes that it is still more based on your personal motivations and opinion. In short I believe replay value is also a direct result of the answer to the "why" part of the reason you decied to repeat said content at all . i stated my "why" in my original response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopAceOfEarth Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Why are people asking stupid questions from the point of view of not actually being in the position of spending large amounts of time working with others to do the content. Some people put in the time because they like the social aspect Some people like playing with others who really know their gameplay Some like to beat content which the vast majority players cannot. All people like to get the best gear Some people like to put slow walk on and go round fleet with the title and mount for 20 minutes before getting bored and going back to socialising with their guild. Bottom line is whatever your reasons the players putting in the large quantities of time and effort to organise themselves need to remain in a state of feeling it was worth it. Stripping out gear as a reason for doing NiM is an excellent way to guarantee you piss off everyone. Getting the achievement is a ONE time thing. Ditto Mount. Enjoying the content because its shiny wears off. Something that rehashing ancient content we did for years certainly drives home. Exclusive gear to hardest modes has been a carrot with some replay value for NiM since the game launched. The level of out of touch is unbelievable. Finally a yellow post we can believe in ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerkWork Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Finally a yellow post we can believe in ! Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woetoo Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) It's sad that it has come to this. It will be interesting when the Ops forum is dead, class forums are dead, no more class guides, streamers, guilds, and most importantly players disappear from the game. The day Dulfy stops supporting this game, TorCommunity isn't there, it will be a interesting sight to see what mess BW has made of this. And if Pvpers follow suit as well even more so. look at first page check dulfy's comment Can you link it? How does this make any sense? If a guild choose to spend the extra time and effort to do a nightmare ops, why shouldn't they get the best raid loot from it rather than doing brain dead targeted hardmode ops every week? Dulfy's SWTOR account name is Iwipe, her post is here : http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=8684154#post8684154 But I quoted it for you to save time. This line intentionally left blank. Edited December 8, 2015 by Woetoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hichitsuki-hime Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 new titles? great =) new mounts? even better =) ... ... ... ... a CHANCE to drop NIM gear .... from NIM raids ?!?!?!? ... ... ... what the actual F***??????? sure does seem like April 1st came early to BioWare, but well...... that said, Eric, Tait, or actually i don't care who. BUT..... EXPLAIN THIS PROPERLY!!!! you're seriously gonna lose quite a bunch of people cause this stupidity!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairieprof Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Elder game content is getting very old fast. With so little loot or rewards for doing the same old nightmare operations we have been doing for so long I doubt folks will remain subscribers for very much longer. I am looking for more operation level content with greater rewards for elder game subscribers. Please help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idnewton Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Ya done goofed, BW. Good luck recovering from this... it's "Heal to Full" all over again. "Well, we don't intend for NiM gear to drop from NiM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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