Thurinor Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 This is less an issue of inattentive idiots using the GTN, and more about useless decimal points in prices that allow unscrupulous players to exploit it unfairly. There are a lot of stupid people in this world, but that doesn't mean that the "less stupid" individuals should take advantage of them. In a free and open capitalist market place? It most certainly does..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Natoorat Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 This is less an issue of inattentive idiots using the GTN, and more about useless decimal points in prices that allow unscrupulous players to exploit it unfairly. There are a lot of stupid people in this world, but that doesn't mean that the "less stupid" individuals should take advantage of them. You could say "survival of the fittest"... but I agree with you. The only way these sellers are allowed to operate is because of broken decimal places system. The comp, eatly bonkers thing is... It's super easy to fix: either get rid of all decimal places, or force 2 decimal places on all items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Devs cant do anything about users being idiots. No, but they can make it harder to be one by simply removing decimals. Edited November 10, 2014 by TUXs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Except you're wrong in saying it's not against the TOS. Because it's against the TOS. The seller can put whatever price he wants hes but the seller shouldn't be allowed to manipulate the GTN to make the prices seem like they are lower with the way the numbers are displayed. The buyer obviously needs to be cautious but sometimes they are not. Changing the way the numbers are displayed would prevent these sellers from deliberately trying to trick people, then it wouldn't be against TOS. He's not manipulating the gtn, he is listing the price with the intent to sell his item at the price we wants to sell it for. No one is being forced to buy his items. There is no scam going on. Just give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachenko_Yuri Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) No, but they can make it harder to be one. No, people can wake the hell up, and use their brain a bit. Edit: no, not giving the " scammers " or whatever they're called today, the right to do so. Their strategy is still an evil one, but still. Edited November 10, 2014 by Tachenko_Yuri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) WTS <GTN Scam Forum Thread> , several in stock, asking 50% above GTN price OR WTT for <Irony>, PST Edited November 10, 2014 by azudelphi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 No, people can wake the hell up, and use their brain a bit. That won't happen. It's up to the people who design the UI to make it idiot proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachenko_Yuri Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 That won't happen. Excuse the french, but tough **** for them then. Paying a minor bit of attention isn't asking the moon on a stick. Also, god forbid, they actually go out there and get their own mats, or used the up 5.. wait for it.. crew skill missions! :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hadoken Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 This is less an issue of inattentive idiots using the GTN, and more about useless decimal points in prices that allow unscrupulous players to exploit it unfairly. There are a lot of stupid people in this world, but that doesn't mean that the "less stupid" individuals should take advantage of them. Exactly. As for the OP I do know someone that quit over it, for whatever that's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orizuru Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 You've already lost the argument the moment you started insulting me Your post is now invalid. And yet you felt it necessary to reply? Thanks for the validation. Or was that just your way to commemorate an empty victory on the forums for getting a post removed that bothered your ego and points out that you aren't able to take responsibility for your own foolish mistakes? I'll take a forum vacation for the chance to tell an idiot that they make the village idiot look like a card carrying member of MENSA. I'll wear that badge proudly while you commemorate your own foolishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandi Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) A simple yet elegant solution. Change the display to Mils, Ks and singles, like it's in games that use gold/silver/copper etc. So the GTN listing would look like this <ITEM> 2M 328k 331C There, discussion over. Edited November 10, 2014 by Jandi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHboy Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 if people can't learn to count past two..then they probably shouldn't be playing this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Propecius Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 That won't happen. It's up to the people who design the UI to make it idiot proof. It's impossible. The world keeps coming up with better, more advanced idiots! Wouldn't it be funny if the devs decided to fix it by changing the decimals? Then they added a decimal place, instead? I can hear the screaming already, projecting backward through time.... Just try telling the difference between 374.325 and 374,325. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Exactly. As for the OP I do know someone that quit over it, for whatever that's worth. How is it an issue with the decimal system? Can you please give a logical argument for how it is possible to confuse a fixed 2 decimal for non-integer price per unit and a fixed 0 decimals for integer price per unit for something radically different? I don't know how many times it has to be said, you will NEVER in any circumstance in this game be presented with: X.XXX,XXX or X,XXX.XXX Those formats literally can't appear on the GTN. So I don't buy the "I misread" the decimals / confused the symbol argument and thus the decimals are the problem. Edited November 10, 2014 by azudelphi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Excuse the french, but tough **** for them then. Paying a minor bit of attention isn't asking the moon on a stick. Also, god forbid, they actually go out there and get their own mats, or used the up 5.. wait for it.. crew skill missions! :eek: I don't believe that's actually French. And your suggestion that they go get their own mats is silly....that's EXACTLY what the GTN is for...to buy something I don't have that I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) He's not manipulating the gtn, he is listing the price with the intent to sell his item at the price we wants to sell it for. No one is being forced to buy his items. There is no scam going on. Just give it up. You may be right on all points except the last one. There is no reason for this NOT to be changed. The seller can still do all of the things you indicate in your post. The change protects noone, neither sellers nor buyers, nor does it stop folks from over or undercharging. What it does do is remove confusing fractional currency. Quite a few of the suggestions would be useful to the majority of the playerbase IMO....as was the sort by price and price per unit feature. Edited November 10, 2014 by LordArtemis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyVix Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 That's NOT a scam.....that's business. A scam is when you buy tha Blu Ray player from buddy at tha gas station, but when you get home and open it....It's a brick. A scam is buying that gold necklace from ole boy slangin em outside tha mall for tha low. But when you take it to tha pawn shop he tells you it's not real gold. Some of y'all need to spend a lil time on the block lol Let's assume that you needed to upgrade the motherboard on your computer. The one you want cost $225. You browse the web and find someone advertising that same motherboard: TODAY ONLY, $17499 You jump at the opportunity to save $50, but the following day, you find a charge to your credit card for $17,499.00 You were scammed, but its all ok, but it's all "just business," right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHboy Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 WTS <GTN Scam Forum Thread> , several in stock, asking 50% above GTN price OR WTT for <Irony>, PST Item Units Price unit price GTN Scam Forum Thread 30 5,323,210 177,440,33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 A simple yet elegant solution. Change the display to Mils, Ks and singles, like it's in games that use gold/silver/copper etc. So the GTN listing would look like this <ITEM> 2M 328k 331C There, discussion over. Actually, it is simpler than that. Instead of "price per unit" of 3574.15 it would be 3574. There is no need for the fractional currency display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 You may be right on all points except the last one. There is no reason for this NOT to be changed. The seller can still do all of the things you indicate in your post. The change protects noone, neither sellers nor buyers, nor does it stop folks from over or undercharging. What it does do is remove confusing fractional currency. Quite a few of the suggestions would be useful to the majority of the playerbase IMO....as was the sort by price and price per unit feature. Sorry but I just don't see a need to spend resources on something that doesn't need fixing when all the tools to prevent accidents are already available on the GTN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alssaran Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) This whole I did not intend to buy it for 'that' price is a ridicolous argument. You had all the information needed to confirm your purchase right there. It's not Bioware's fault that you cannot take ten seconds to read the number correctly. That argument is bound to be abused. I garantue it. "Oh, there is another one of Jaraels tunics, which is 500.000 credits cheaper than mine. Write ticket...Did not intend to buy it...save 500k.". You know what? I was never hit by this scam, although I saw it on the GTN plenty of times. And do you know why I was never affected by it, despite noticing it? That's right everyone, I read the prices. I missclick, I accidently sort highest first. I look at the price. I see "Oh, it's 399.999 per Exotic Element Equalizer. That's not what I'm looking for.". I click again. This time it's 20.999. That's what I am looking for. It's not against the ToS. Why should it be? I am allowed to price the items on the GTN however high I want. I can put a green Lightsaber up for a million credits. Nobody can argue with me that a company should have any say in the way I make my prices. Now, I can hear you shout: "Alssaran, you are one of those scammers!". No, I am not, for common sense is not a scam. Edited November 10, 2014 by Alssaran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachenko_Yuri Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I don't believe that's actually French. And your suggestion that they go get their own mats is silly....that's EXACTLY what the GTN is for...to buy something I don't have that I want. Silly eh? but, then again, the folks who have put the mats on there, are folks who have done just that, crew skilling, picking them from the field, or on a strong-mob killing spree. Anyone can do it. So what I'm trying to say if if they Cba to pay attention ( ) they might go, and to that instead... which is also free. Edit: and also, this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_my_French Edited November 10, 2014 by Tachenko_Yuri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Scammers find weaknesses and exploit them. The poor GTN UI is exploitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Let's assume that you needed to upgrade the motherboard on your computer. The one you want cost $225. You browse the web and find someone advertising that same motherboard: TODAY ONLY, $17499 You jump at the opportunity to save $50, but the following day, you find a charge to your credit card for $17,499.00 You were scammed, but its all ok, but it's all "just business," right? Your analogy doesn't work because there isn't any decimals or periods to indicate what the price is. If someone doesn't pay attention and ask what the price is before buying then that really is the buyer's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dras_Keto Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I don't believe that's actually French. And your suggestion that they go get their own mats is silly....that's EXACTLY what the GTN is for...to buy something I don't have that I want. Its not, its Saxon. When the Norman French conquered England they declared the Saxon language to be uncouth or something like that. Thats how we got all of our swear words, except for damn. Just normal, regular Saxon words that the French "linguistic supremacists" decided to label "bad." But, then, they were French. Id guess the saying evolved as a joke. Since everyone knows its not French but that was what was "acceptable" at the time. Some of that may be total BS. I dunno. All I know for sure is the Normans conquered England and those were Saxon words. Just try telling the difference between 374.325 and 374,325. If this was the current situation and the GTN did display decimals out to the thousandth on Unit Prices, then all these agitators would almost have a point. Almost. There still a bloody comma in one and not the other... Edited November 10, 2014 by Dras_Keto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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