Will SWTOR be able to compete with upcoming MMOs?

[BCBull]

I disagree. I think the bigger problem is that the story doesn't carry over into the end game. If there was nearly as much "daily" content as there is from lev 1-50, both solo and heroic, spanning across every planet as well as introducing new ones, I think endgame would take on a whole new dimension.

 

That sounds awful,

[Laufton]

Tera is a boring Korean Grindfest I cancelled my pre-order'

GW2 is a facebook game Stomping on Frost Worms and helping farmers gather food; the voice acting is simply atrocious and the story is laughably bad. If you say different you have not played it.

Diablo III rotflmao....most folks are waiting for Torchlight II

 

 

Bottom line; the games that are coming out really won't be that much competition for TOR yeah the Locust will leave like they always leave when something new comes along...but it won't effect the core base of this game.

 

I'm with him. I would add that TSW while looking good is made by Funcom which immediately makes me suspicious.

 

Also this game just being Star Wars will stop it from failing. It will always attract a large audience due to the name alone.

Edited March 17, 2012 by Laufton

[Dego_Locc]

Will swtor lose alot of player base to mmo's that are coming out soon, TERA may 1st, and GW2 around dec? After playing TERA over beta weekend it seems like a very developed and quality MMO that has all the things an MMO'ers heart can desire. These mmo's didn't give the excuses that they are a new MMO and need to develop after launch.. they are delivering everything we expect in a modern day MMO on release.. How will swtor hold up to the competition is the question?

 

Of course, they can't even compete with older MMO's that were only out for 3 months, how are the gonna keep up with real next gen MMO's?

Edited March 17, 2012 by Dego_Locc

[Toxen]

GW2 open beta starts next month so I would guess it would be released sometime in Aug.

[Draekos]

Yes the coming MMOs look even worse.

[Toxen]

Yes the coming MMOs look even worse.

 

I can't speak for Tera cause I don't know the first thing about it, but GW2 looks like it has everything SWTOR doesn't:

 

Developers viewing to test the game extensively to hammer out as many bugs as possible before release and QUICKLY eliminate any bugs they miss or pop up.

 

Multiple open beta testing weekends for anyone who pre-orders the game. Not just one weekend and then release after ignoring bug reports.

 

Massive PVP battles spanning several days and pitting 3 servers against each other.

 

"Sidekick" system. Helping your buddies is fun rather than just doing them a favor. Also, lower level friends can now actually help out higher level friends. Something MMO's have needed for a while.

 

No one can still your kills. Anyone who significantly contributes to fighting a mob gets credit.

 

Gameplay changes based on what weapon you have equipped. An Elementalist can do ranged damage with a staff or melee damage with a mace.

 

NO DEDICATED HEALERS

 

You can temporarily change servers to play with your friends or just to get away from the usual noobs.

 

You can also transfer servers permanently. And here BW had me thinking that was impossible to do at release.

 

And best of all: FREE TO PLAY!!!

Edited March 17, 2012 by Toxen

[Jmannseelo]

That sounds awful,

 

Sounds amazing to me. I really hope they go that route.

[RamblerKnits]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/185669_10150400221545058_633150057_17070100_2285281_n.jpg

 

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm56/tifosweet/TERA_ScreenShot_20110116_201252.png

 

http://www.terapvp.com/attachments/tera-elin-jpg.1572/

 

http://www.mmohelper.ru/mmorpg/wp-content/gallery/popori-15-11/elin-2_resize.jpg

 

http://img2.mmo.mmo4arab.com/news/2011/03/08/tera/tera5.jpg

 

 

this is the game you want to play and I'm the sick one?

 

Oh gross. I have nothing against chain-mail bikinis (hell I have one myself irl) but this is sick. While SWTOR does have dancing girls they are at least clearly adult and not posed in too many porny poses. This just takes the cake. Yuck.

[teambff]

Oh gross. I have nothing against chain-mail bikinis (hell I have one myself irl) but this is sick. While SWTOR does have dancing girls they are at least clearly adult and not posed in too many porny poses. This just takes the cake. Yuck.

 

uhh the elin are like hundreds of years old and are awesome! they are meant to be sort of fairy pixies or soemthing like that.

 

i never understand why one mmo has to destroy the others, at only 15 dollars a month i can't see why people are opposed to play a few different ones.. especially with gw2 being free to play.

 

i'll probably be playing 2-3 mmos. tera/swtor/gw2/archeage are the ones i have in mind for now. we'll see what happens in the future.

Edited March 17, 2012 by teambff

[z-ray]

Will swtor lose alot of player base to mmo's that are coming out soon, TERA may 1st, and GW2 around dec? After playing TERA over beta weekend it seems like a very developed and quality MMO that has all the things an MMO'ers heart can desire. These mmo's didn't give the excuses that they are a new MMO and need to develop after launch.. they are delivering everything we expect in a modern day MMO on release.. How will swtor hold up to the competition is the question?

 

Best regards to the other forum!

And Welcome back...

/sarcasm

Edited March 17, 2012 by z-ray

[iceperson]

uhh the elin are like hundreds of years old and are awesome! they are meant to be sort of fairy pixies or soemthing like that.

 

i never understand why one mmo has to destroy the others, at only 15 dollars a month i can't see why people are opposed to play a few different ones.. especially with gw2 being free to play.

 

i'll probably be playing 2-3 mmos. tera/swtor/gw2/archeage are the ones i have in mind for now. we'll see what happens in the future.

 

give them whatever back story you want, they're still sexualized prepubescent little girls with childbearing hips that run around in panties (although I've heard they plan to at least clothe them a bit more for the NA release.)

[teambff]

give them whatever back story you want, they're still sexualized prepubescent little girls with childbearing hips that run around in panties (although I've heard they plan to at least clothe them a bit more for the NA release.)

 

that's your own insecurities and hang ups.

if you or anyone else is having sexual thoughts or have some weird hangups about how they look that's on your end and your own issues.

 

you can say whatever you want but your own issues doesn't play into a fantasy realm... throughout fantasy pixies/fairies oftentimes have that appearance. they are in fact hundreds of years and older and one of the wiser species in the verse.

 

i will have all elin characters, i had one in beta and the dance ruled and they just are very interesting, imaginative characters much better than the typical mindless elves/orcs and humans you see across every game.

 

(also they don't have on panties they have on under shorts of some type, at least in the american version probably because of what you see here, how unbelievably weird people are and with their insecurities and own issues)

 

man, people are weird.

no wonder everything out there is so stale and unimaginative.

Edited March 17, 2012 by teambff

[Psych-ward-hero]

that's your own insecurities and hang ups.

if you or anyone else is having sexual thoughts or have some weird hangups about how they look that's on your end and your own issues.

 

you can say whatever you want but your own issues doesn't play into a fantasy realm... throughout fantasy pixies/fairies oftentimes have that appearance. they are in fact hundreds of years and older and one of the wiser species in the verse.

 

i will have all elin characters, i had one in beta and the dance ruled and they just are very interesting, imaginative characters much better than the typical mindless elves/orcs and humans you see across every game.

 

 

It's not insecurities, the pics explain themselves. That is sick and wrong.

[Guildrum]

It's not insecurities, the pics explain themselves. That is sick and wrong.

 

This. Ever wonder why every small-time F2P MMO/RPG has scantily dressed ladies as their advertisement?

[Bojanglez]

Who was the genius, that decided all MMOs should be fantasy based? Or at least the vast majority of them?

Richard Garriott

[Samborino]

Will swtor lose alot of player base to mmo's that are coming out soon, TERA may 1st, and GW2 around dec? After playing TERA over beta weekend it seems like a very developed and quality MMO that has all the things an MMO'ers heart can desire. These mmo's didn't give the excuses that they are a new MMO and need to develop after launch.. they are delivering everything we expect in a modern day MMO on release.. How will swtor hold up to the competition is the question?

 

For tera's case its been out in korea for more than a year (possibly 2) so it doesnt need to come up with that excuse because it is an mmo that has had over a years worth of content updates

[ConradLionhart]

I would say pretty well.

 

Numerous sources like my PCGamer game magazine and EA themselves have claimed that SW:TOR has the most successful launch of all MMOs. Not a single server crash, or at least none that were too serious.

 

Now, if people already cannot stand some bugs in the game, how do they expect to stand worse bugs or worse launches of other MMOs?

 

If people are already bored of things to do in SW:TOR, how long do you think you will last before you blow all the content of other MMOs? SW:TOR has the backing of EA, you're telling me that other MMOs can possibly have more content at launch? They don't have 200 million dollars.

 

Other than WoW, there is not one MMO where you cannot clear everything within weeks. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

So whatever reason you leave SW:TOR for, those reasons will also exist in other MMOs. And you're gonna leave those future MMOs for the same reasons.

 

The problem here isn't that SW:TOR has "too little content". The problem here is your own unreasonable expectations. No MMO can have as much content as WoW at the start.

Edited March 17, 2012 by ConradLionhart

[Samborino]

As for GW2 the game isnt even out yet, and to be honest the content seems pretty lack luster.

 

8 dungeons in the entire game (sure they have different routes you can take , but from what ive seen of the dungeons the quality is so very far behind the flashpoints in swtor) Lets head down this endless seeming cave and fight a handful of different looking monsters.

 

On top of that only maybe 3 of those dungeons are end game, they arent going to have any raids or anything of that sort. I dont know how they plan on tackling open world PVP. Aside from that im sure there will be 3-4 zones / battlegrounds for PVP just like swtor. Its shaping up to look like it has less content then swtor , outside of the "dynamic event" system. I like how they call everything in that game dynamic. "it dynamically scales to your level" Any other company would just say " the content scales to your level" but they add dynamically into to almost every description of every feature to get gullible people feeling excited about it by making it seem like its different then other mmo's because they added the word dynamic in front of everything. The world events arent dynamic beta testers have said that you run into the same events all the time, honestly go look at some beta test reviews there are quite a few people that where fairly dissapointed with GW2.

 

And guess what sure its F2P but you will have to pay for any major content updates through an expansion and they certainly wont be as frequent as in a game with a premium monthly fee.

Edited March 17, 2012 by Samborino

[Dianoia]

Word of warning:

 

Korean and Japanese MMOs are very different than American MMOs.

 

SWTOR is accessible, relatively easy with only slight challenge here and there, and tries to hide the grind., and does so well

 

Korean MMOs (read: NcSoft) are typically grindfests. JRPGS are inaccessible grindfests.

 

They look pretty, but it's the same thing under the skin. Lots of hype, very short on fun.

[Psych-ward-hero]

If you do not like it, leave.

 

This game is 4 months old, what do you expect?

[kaboro]

Will swtor lose alot of player base to mmo's that are coming out soon, TERA may 1st, and GW2 around dec? After playing TERA over beta weekend it seems like a very developed and quality MMO that has all the things an MMO'ers heart can desire. These mmo's didn't give the excuses that they are a new MMO and need to develop after launch.. they are delivering everything we expect in a modern day MMO on release.. How will swtor hold up to the competition is the question?

 

swtor will lose players only due to their own incompetence and arrogance, not due to other mmos coming out.

In other words, the only competition for Bioware is their own stupidity.

Edited March 17, 2012 by kaboro

[Samborino]

http://kotaku.com/5886496/the-guild-wars-2-beta-weekend-ends-in-crash+causing-chaos?tag=guildwars

 

Doesnt seem like guildwars 2 is handling "large groups" of people any better than swtor did. And the groups werent even that large it was a press beta weekend, not an open to the public beta weekend lol.

 

Sure people say "its still beta" but people said that about swtor and ilum as well

[CeruleanNite]

As for GW2 the game isnt even out yet, and to be honest the content seems pretty lack luster.

 

8 dungeons in the entire game (sure they have different routes you can take , but from what ive seen of the dungeons the quality is so very far behind the flashpoints in swtor) Lets head down this endless seeming cave and fight a handful of different looking monsters.

 

On top of that only maybe 3 of those dungeons are end game, they arent going to have any raids or anything of that sort. I dont know how they plan on tackling open world PVP. Aside from that im sure there will be 3-4 zones / battlegrounds for PVP just like swtor. Its shaping up to look like it has less content then swtor , outside of the "dynamic event" system. I like how they call everything in that game dynamic. "it dynamically scales to your level" Any other company would just say " the content scales to your level" but they add dynamically into to almost every description of every feature to get gullible people feeling excited about it by making it seem like its different then other mmo's because they added the word dynamic in front of everything. The world events arent dynamic beta testers have said that you run into the same events all the time, honestly go look at some beta test reviews there are quite a few people that where fairly dissapointed with GW2.

 

And guess what sure its F2P but you will have to pay for any major content updates through an expansion and they certainly wont be as frequent as in a game with a premium monthly fee.

 

From what I am able to get from GW2, they are gearing it to be a more PvP based game with PvE included. I havent been in beta so I cant say for sure but from what I have read and seen (videos) I am not looking forward to it. I played GW1 for years and had hopes for GW2 but they have gone a completely different direction with it.

 

I have tried Tera during beta and it is as you would expect from a Korean based MMO. It is a grindfest and it is cartoony, more like Aion. I can see more people quitting Tera before getting to max level just because they got tired of the grind.

[Samborino]

From what I am able to get from GW2, they are gearing it to be a more PvP based game with PvE included. I havent been in beta so I cant say for sure but from what I have read and seen (videos) I am not looking forward to it. I played GW1 for years and had hopes for GW2 but they have gone a completely different direction with it.

 

I have tried Tera during beta and it is as you would expect from a Korean based MMO. It is a grindfest and it is cartoony, more like Aion. I can see more people quitting Tera before getting to max level just because they got tired of the grind.

 

Yea exactly, not to mention i think its alot easier to create PVP content because of its massive replayability then it is to create PVE content. Im sure GW2 will be great for PVP'ers. The statement still holds true though that i think Guild wars 2 will have less content at launch than SWTOR.

 

The gear system also seems to be extremely lacking (just like it was in GW1) even more so than SWTOR at launch (although while leveling up SWTOR had an extremely awesome and fairly deep gear system, it just felt lacking at top level) Basically it seems like each dungeon will have 1 set of gear (thats about it) each boss will give you a token for said gear that any class can use to redeem a gear piece. Still 1 set per dungeon seems pretty meh.

 

Also regardless of what they say i beleive that GW2 will be fairly heavily instanced, they dont say one way or the other , they say a "seamless" world just like most mmo's do but that doesnt mean it wont be instanced. Im sure it will be a cast improvement on GW1 but i dont think it will be a completely open world.

Edited March 17, 2012 by Samborino

[Samborino]

it depends

 

if bioware still believes that story will make people stick with the game.then i doubt it will,when they relize that alot of people care more about end game then story,then im sure it will be able to compete

 

but as of right now.games probably gonna be dead by the time other mmorpgs come out,just doesnt seem like many people are playing right now,and the ones that are.dont log in enough to matter anyway.but i dont know,honestly maybe im not the best person to go by because im only lvl 27 on my first character so i guess i havent really seen "end game" yet

 

but unlike some people,im not a "space bar lets get to max level so i can get started on the "real game" type person.im a "well,might as well slow down,take my time.because its usually the people who rush to end game that are the first people that leave"

 

Please dont act like you have any sense of what this game is when you havent even completed act 1 on your first toon. I dont know what server you are on but you have to realize that now that this game is coming up on 3 months old the player base is extremely spread out across the planets. Go to any low to mid level zone on a mid to high pop wow server and you will find the EXACT same thing, 15-70 players a zone depending on the server not much more than that. Either way if you feel like your server is dead your only level 27 REROLL , their are plenty of servers with huge amounts of people playing on them , like Fat man, ajunta pall, Harbinger, warriors of the shadow empire side, Zetteg Beast. ETc. etc.

 

During primetime 90% of servers are at least standard, with usually 10-20 being light. I do think they made the mistake of adding to many servers, people started QQ'ing about the long queue's pretty bad on day 1 so they added like 80 more servers or something (aka way to many) then a week later they completely fixed the queue problem by doubling the max server population anyways, if they ignored the QQ and waited to double the max server pop, people wouldnt be crying that the sky was falling because most of the servers would be Standard to Full at all times. It was a mistake on their part, because now that they have doubled the max server population any new player is going to either join a standard or heavy server because they dont have queue's anymore and everyone prefers to play with "more people".