Goretzu Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Discrimination: 1.The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex There is no discrimination. If you think that this is discrimination against a social class then I hate to be the bearer of bad news but for thousands and thousands of years, the wealthy have always been able to obtain more than the poor. In this case it's discrimination on the grounds of whether you use a Security Key or not. Discrimination is discrimination. By that same logic: You buy a regular edition of TOR and someone else buys a CE edition. They got a fancy statue and you didn't, so I guess that is discrimination too? Not everyone got the statue. To be forced to buy a CE to get a nice statue is discrimination. Everyone is equal... just some are more equal than others, because they paid the money/did the work/ ect whatever to get the additional item/content? Not the same thing at all, there is no improved travel option in CE or LE (unless you count saving 25,000 on a mount), and certainly nothing in CE or LE is active BLOCKING general Travel System improvements. Because the group the uses that authenticator causes less cost to Bioware via a decreased rate of account hi-jacking and thus fewer Customer service issues. If you have an authenticator and use it, you are saving Bioware money (not each individual person, but as a whole group on average) so you get a bonus for doing so. What is your argument that you should get the bonus of saving Bioware money when you are not saving Bioware money? What is your reasoning, aside from "I want the benefit so I should have it?" That's absolutely no justification for not having an improved travel system for all. Then i dont understand Are you complaining because you wont use a security key but you still want the perks? I'm saying that SWTOR should have a fit for purpose Travel System without having to have a secxurity key, yes. Or that Fleet Pass on the SKV shouldn't be blocking improvements like Fast Travel to Ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRieh Posted March 3, 2012 Author Share Posted March 3, 2012 By that same logic: You buy a regular edition of TOR and someone else buys a CE edition. Wrong way. I personally don't care for CE users at all, I know what I pay for, they know what they pay for, they like to pay more. And also no dev told us that they are going to, lets say, take away our current in-game mounts, just because those are "easily avalible" for CE users, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceperson Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) In this case it's discrimination on the grounds of whether you use a Security Key or not. Discrimination is discrimination. lol you can't post on the forums unless you have a current sub. that's discrimination! personally, i think swtor (any MMO for that matter) should require the security key. back to the ops question. no, it's not required. you don't NEED anything off the security key vendor. not a single thing.. /thread Edited March 3, 2012 by iceperson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminova Posted March 3, 2012 Share Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) In this case it's discrimination on the grounds of whether you use a Security Key or not. Discrimination is discrimination. I'm sorry, this isn't a case of discrimination as you wish to use the word as there is no unfair treatment going on. You don't like not having access to the Security Key Vendor, but refuse to get a security key app or keyfob thingy. That's absolutely no justification for not having an improved travel system for all. They don't improve the travel system. I'm saying that SWTOR should have a fit for purpose Travel System without having to have a secxurity key, yes. Travel system is fit for purpose. Or that Fleet Pass on the SKV shouldn't be blocking improvements like Fast Travel to Ship. They want people to have secure accounts so they have to deal with fewer hacked accounts which costs them a lot of money. Thus they tie something the "I want it now" people want to have to something that secures their account against getting hacked. I'm sure they will improve the travel system in the future it just takes time and you need to be patient. Edited March 3, 2012 by terminova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRieh Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 They want people to have secure accounts so they have to deal with fewer hacked accounts which costs them a lot of money. Usually, if company wants someone to use or buy something, they start from making that SOMETHING avalible to customers. And as it is now - it looks something like "we want you to use our verysecutity thing, but it's your problem how and where you get one, we don't care how much it costs in your region and we also don't care where you get one in case we don't really want to sell it to you,and if you don't have I\android - oh what a pity, we thought everyone has both of them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 lol you can't post on the forums unless you have a current sub. that's discrimination! personally, i think swtor (any MMO for that matter) should require the security key. back to the ops question. no, it's not required. you don't NEED anything off the security key vendor. not a single thing.. /thread No it's not. Everyone pays the same amount and can post on the forum. Discrimination would be a SK forum that the Devs actually looked at and responded too isssues in. /thread I'm sorry, this isn't a case of discrimination as you wish to use the word as there is no unfair treatment going on. You don't like not having access to the Security Key Vendor, but refuse to get a security key app or keyfob thingy. Yes there is, you pay the same, you don't get the same travel system - it's discrimination. They don't improve the travel system. Not only does FP improve the travel systems, but according to the Devs it is actually BLOCKING other improvements to the travel system. Travel system is fit for purpose. 100's of threads and 10,000's of posts suggest otherwise. It is functional, it is not fit for purpose in a 2012 MMO. They want people to have secure accounts so they have to deal with fewer hacked accounts which costs them a lot of money. Thus they tie something the "I want it now" people want to have to something that secures their account against getting hacked. I'm sure they will improve the travel system in the future it just takes time and you need to be patient. Them wanting people to have secure accounts (and you can have a perfectly secure account WITHOUT a security key - the only accounts SKs really secure are INSECURE ACCOUNTS) has nothing to do with them not improving the travel system. Or at least is shouldn't.... as it does, then the discrimination occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokivoid Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) In last Q&A session there was one thing that seemed strange to me. I'd love to have some clarifications about this matter. Security vendor is avalible to those who use authentificator system. Authentificator system is avalible to those who use Idevices or androids(for free afaik). It also exists as small physical thing (for price afaik) which seems not to be avalible to all the countries, that may OFICIALLY buy and use this game. It is not mentioned among goods for my region, neither on the site (swtor.com), nor in origin store SWTOR page - client and timecards are all they offer. So, following the simple logic - unless I buy myself an I-device\android device, I'll NEVER get an access to important in-game feature (Fleet Pass). Though I pay same subscribtion. And we are talking not about some rare mounts or pets or holodancers or special outfits. We are talking about NEEDED in-game feature here. If you do not own a macfaԍ phone or android phone than buy a digikey go 6, It does not have to be a Swtor branded one, any Digikey go 6 serial will be accepted. Edited March 4, 2012 by lokivoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeggieWokker Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I own the CE and thus the authenticator. Not once have I used a purchased fleet pass. I use the emergency fleet pass (with the 18 hours cooldown) once every day after my dailies, to go buy/sell stuff on the GTN and I log off. I don't see how fleet passes are really needed to enjoy the game. There is QT or taxis to get to the spaceport quickly, and on most planets there's even a quick shuttle to the fleet for Flashpoints. If you don't have the patience for these quick ways to go to the fleet, maybe you should play a quicker game, like heads or tails maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhaers Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 nope its not required to have one. You can also buy the $4 keygenerator. To the people who are going to freak out about that the generator is to protect your account from YOURSELF. Also, it's $4 so dont freak out like a child. The hardware authenticators, and indeed the software one contain algorithms that the USA military have decided are restricted. They can't be exported to quite a sizeable list of countries under USA export laws. Now whilst this means that people in America don't have any basis for complaining a person who resides in that long list of countries is likely to have trouble for trying to obtain one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) Still needs changing. Bringing the EFP CD to 8-12 hours would help a lot. I own the CE and thus the authenticator. Not once have I used a purchased fleet pass. I use the emergency fleet pass (with the 18 hours cooldown) once every day after my dailies, to go buy/sell stuff on the GTN and I log off. I don't see how fleet passes are really needed to enjoy the game. There is QT or taxis to get to the spaceport quickly, and on most planets there's even a quick shuttle to the fleet for Flashpoints. If you don't have the patience for these quick ways to go to the fleet, maybe you should play a quicker game, like heads or tails maybe. If you just do that it'll be fine, but when you need to get from planet A to planet B to help someone then it starts to be needed. It's a lot better with the improved quick travel admitted from when this thread was started, but it's still much worse without FP from the SKV, than with it travel-wise. Edited April 21, 2012 by Goretzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freyar Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I have plain facts here. What official person stated actually is NOT correct. And it also means that their customers service and in-game features (for some reasons one hardly can explain) depend on brand and model of cell-phone and\or on location where customer lives. That's because the market share is significantly high for these phones. You can get a cheap Android device, or you can get an iPhone. As far as "Smartphones" go, offers for lower-end devices are fairly cheap. (May be different in other areas, but if that's the case then it's an issue with manufacturing and supply.) Bottom line is, a service or benefit for keeping your account secure is an interesting attempt to get people to secure their accounts. A lot of CSR time is spent on compromised accounts and this is a good way to get people to actively look into taking a very basic step. Now, don't get me wrong, I'd like to see the separate token available to anyone who orders it, but.. it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjmc Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) I don't see how fleet passes are really needed to enjoy the game. There is QT or taxis to get to the spaceport quickly, and on most planets there's even a quick shuttle to the fleet for FlashpointsI find the Flashpoint shuttles to be very convenient when questing on most planets (it's more often than not at the "second" quest hub. That is the way that I usually get to the fleet. They did recently change it so that you can use your speeder inside orbital stations and spaceports. That makes things a lot quicker. The ability to connect directly to your ship from the orbital station shuttle (both on the ground and in the orbital station) saves quite a bit of time as well. I don't mind going through spaceports anymore now that I can use my speeder. Edited April 21, 2012 by sjmc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantazm Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Short answer, no. Long answer, no they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceavenger Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 In the long run, its better if you have an security key. You can buy one for like 4 dollars if you don't have a smartphone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiergan_Manasa Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 We are talking about NEEDED in-game feature here. No, that is not a needed item. It's a convenience item. Everyone gets a Fleet Pass. Everyone also gets a quick travel ability, on a 30 minute timer, that can take you directly to the local starport - and thus your ship. This is non-issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikelGoff Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 We -need- it? I have an iPhone, didn't know I could get anything special. Game has been just as fun for me. It's a convenience thing, not a necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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