StarSyth Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Hello all, I've recently started playing SW:TOR with a small community of around 10-15. Out of them, I'm the most skeptical about this game i'll admit. I have the strong belief that new MMO's are a waste of time for me, as older MMO's just have far more content and polish due to their time released. I'm alittle concerned at the lack of multiplayer content and was hoping some of the more experianced members of the community could shead some light onto what exactly their is to do "end-game" in this new MMO. I hear about the 2 end-game raids but is that really just it? I have to highlight here my disapointment that they didnt do more with the starmap / guilds system... It seems clear to me that their is potenial for some awsome end-game factional or even guild warfare where players can fight to control space. I guess my questions to you are: 1. What is the point in a guild if their is no benefit for them? no guild rewards or maps, a glorified chat channel? 2. What is end-game content for you, what are you currently doing with your lvl 50's? 3. What do you think / is planned to expand the games end-game content? 4. If the game continues to develop down its current path focusing more on singleplayer experiances the likes we have seen in Dragon Age for example, is it worth the monthly sub? I know I will get trolled for that last question, however I'm starting to question the point of grinding through the levels in this game for it to abruptly end once I've hit lvl 50. Anyone out there able to put my mind at ease? Edited January 10, 2012 by StarSyth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihateyouall Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 non-existent as expected for a new mmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virsane Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) The people who are at level 50 will most likely be waiting for the less hardcore in their guild to catch up. I know that's the case for my guild. There are a couple people who are at 50, but the rest are normal players who can't spend 8 hours a day playing. So, until everyone catches up with the fast levelers, they can really only wait, do pvp, or level up another character and experience a different story. Plus, it's a brand new game. There's going to be tons of additions over the coming months and years. Don't brandish the end game non existent before it even really begins to take off. Edited January 10, 2012 by Virsane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingofbenu Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 theres minimal endgame now, but thats to be expected for a new game. At the moment, this game is more for people who want to level multiple characters to see story. Give it 6 months to fully fill out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProsaicProse Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) "End game" for me has always been about socializing and role-playing on the MMO's I've played. I never got into the raiding or anything else like that, because it always was annoying and stressful. I've heard mixed reviews on SWTOR "end game", and I imagine it will depend on what you are looking to do when you get there. Edited January 10, 2012 by ProsaicProse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihateyouall Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 "End game" for me has always been about socializing and role-playing on the MMO's I've played. I never got into the raiding or anything else like that, because it always was annoying and stressful. I've heard mixed reviews on SWTOR "end game", and I imagine it will depend on what you are looking to do when you get there. making up your own definition of end game doesn't change anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enginer Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 non-existent as expected for a new mmo This, and super buggy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarloves Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) I guess my questions to you are: 1. What is the point in a guild if their is no benefit for them? no guild rewards or maps, a glorified chat channel? A place to build relationships with other players and wokr on end game content together. Guild rewards are a new concept to MMOs for the most part 2. What is end-game content for you, what are you currently doing with your lvl 50's? 1 or 2 end game flashpoints, Hard and Nightmare mode for ALL of the old instnaces, 1 or 2 end game raids, PVP warzones, daily quests, and of course open world PVP on Ilum. 3. What do you think / is planned to expand the games end-game content? They have told us what is in the next patch ie more flashpoints, raids, and pvp warzones. They also stated in an early post that they want the game to have over 100 planets in 10 years so you can expect them to be adding some new planets. 4. If the game continues to develop down its current path focusing more on singleplayer experiances the likes we have seen in Dragon Age for example, is it worth the monthly sub? Ummm it doesn't focus on singleplayer experience. Edited January 10, 2012 by jarjarloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vydor_HC Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Has Bioware said what they intend for the end game to be? Raiding? PvP? Mix? I haven't seen much data on it, but I haven't looked much. If it's gonna be a raiders game like Rift, I probably won't last unless they ramp up the RP stuffs. My hope is they do a lot of PvP additions other than warzones, like planets to battle over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralBlue Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 making up your own definition of end game doesn't change anything Uh, yes it does. The term "End Game" is a subjective thing, Hell the context of which the majority defines the term didn't even exist until a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidalgo Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 the end game is pvp -get pvp gear hard mode flash points -get tionese gear it's literally just like every other part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 As someone who just hit 50. It looks pretty extensive compared to most MMOs. But I haven't done any of it yet so it may be quick to consume or not. Getting the rest of my buddies to 50 is end game challenge number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyspectre Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Currently there are heroic modes for all the flashpoints (which is quite a few) and a couple raids (with plans to add more raid bosses soon I believe). I would say it is doing pretty good for endgame content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhit Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 theres minimal endgame now, but thats to be expected for a new game. At the moment, this game is more for people who want to level multiple characters to see story. Give it 6 months to fully fill out. I'm going to guess you haven't tried to level an alt, yet? TOR is linear. After your starting planet, every character is going to take the exact same path to 50. Only the class quest line will vary. You will visit the planets in the same order, every time-running the same quests. The second time is pretty boring. The third and forth time you are going to be brain dead or medicated to not beat your head on the desk out of boredom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Rabbit Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 non-existent as expected for a new mmo Can someone report this idiot and stop feeding him please? His name is a violation of the TOS. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xhaiquan Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Can someone report this idiot and stop feeding him please? His name is a violation of the TOS. Thanks reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeblesTV Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It's broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm going to guess you haven't tried to level an alt, yet? TOR is linear. After your starting planet, every character is going to take the exact same path to 50. Only the class quest line will vary. You will visit the planets in the same order, every time-running the same quests. The second time is pretty boring. The third and forth time you are going to be brain dead or medicated to not beat your head on the desk out of boredom. With how much you overlevel most earlier planets I doubt you'd redo all the same quests. Sure you'll go to the same planets in the same order but I ended up skipping a lot of quests that I will do on alts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logiick Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It's non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virsane Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 It's broken. How can it be broken? There really isn't any endgame yet. When a game releases, you are looking to appease the PvE crowd and make leveling enjoyable. They did a great job with this in my opinion. As time goes on, you begin to make adjustments to the end game and introduce new dungeons and what not. It'll come, but don't classify it as broken when in reality it's just new and low on features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jswizzle Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Almost to level 48 atm. I could of hit 50 faster but I slowed down a bit. People calling this game overly linear are simply misunderstanding the term, or missing vital content in the game by choice. There are plenty of planets you can skip, there are plenty of different paths to take. You can PvP, you can do companion quests, you can do space missions. All games are linear at the core. There is no true freedom. Obviously they need more end game content. No MMO is released with tons of end game content out of the box. It just doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryslan Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 So far im loving the game. I have a toon lvl 40 and another one lvl 15. IMO i think this game lacks social content, not the social items, social interaction. I am member of a guild but its completely useless, i would like the idea of having your own apartment/ship that could be visited by friends and be moddable. When u get different titles or reach certain Light/Dark side levels, to have some kind of item to put in your ship. I havent seen any high end content but i plan to waste 1,5 million creds in buying the Fleet cantina VIP pass, i have some lvl 50s friends and they tell me that money comes in raids to you at that level, but they didnt know about this VIP pass. Guild halls could be good too, and wars between guilds could be interesting, same as arenas, no warzones but arenas. I loved when i was in Tatooine and entered a valley where it was free for all to attack and be attacked, even your same faction. The game is new, not a month old, and new content will come, legacy, more end content, expansions and such, but there will be always the people who get the new items/titles/content done before some other guy can download the content itself to play the game. Do you think Diablo 3 wont have max level players 72 hours after release???? I dont know about lvl40+ but till that moment I need the same time to level from 20 to 21 than 39 to 40. I dont rush the game, i play the conversations, do the bonus, heroics, area bonus missions and such. I remember 10 years ago in Anarchy Online when people could come to your appartment and all guildmates were there talking about the next moves or plans to control towers. A planet that can be conquered would add nice content. 1 republic side and 1 empire sith, middle zone can be conquered granting bonus to the guilds who participate in the war for the terrain. Could control some buildings and buy defenses to make it harder to the other faction. There are plenty of games out there that have nice features, its only a matter of time to look at them and implementing those ideas carefully, but first bug fixing is mandatory. I have asked to the 50s in my guild of they did any space quest, answer was no, they didnt even buy the lvl 1 ship equipment. When people overlooks the content available to them, there is no way to make things correctly. There is a wide array of people and their likes. Sorry for the wall of text, was not meant to be like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhit Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 lmost to level 48 atm. I could of hit 50 faster but I slowed down a bit. People calling this game overly linear are simply misunderstanding the term, or missing vital content in the game by choice. There are plenty of planets you can skip, there are plenty of different paths to take. You can PvP, you can do companion quests, you can do space missions. All games are linear at the core. There is no true freedom. Obviously they need more end game content. No MMO is released with tons of end game content out of the box. It just doesn't happen. You may be able to leave planets early, but not so sure about skipping planets. Which planets can you skip? Your class quests will require a visit to each planet--in order. Empire side gives you two class quests after the starting area. Skip Balmorra and head right to Nar Shaddawhatever and let me know how it works out for you.... Talk to me when you are on your third trip to 50. Sure you can run space missions and get a 1/4 of a level. But there aren't enough space missions to level. And if there were, you'd have no gear for doing other quests. PVP queues take forever on the Empire side--it would take months to grind out 30 levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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