This is completely wrong. I put up cloak of pain and walk into the flames and i am dead before i make it to the other side. And I am in full champ gear with over 16k hp

My guild and I all rolled Pub alts and formed a Republic guild too haha.

... the classes are mirrors... empire has the same classes. they just have different animations...

So you are upset that marauders can cumulatively get 12 seconds of good damage reduction once every 3 minutes. And saber ward doesn't even block all types of damage. Why the hell would you use force camo as a gap closer when you have charge? only time i can think of is if charge is on CD and you are fighting a sniper. You're arguments are laughable and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Though most people seem to realize taht marauders, if anything, are more on teh squishy side, with the exception of a few seconds once every couple of minutes. Quit whining. Marauders are one of only 2 classes in teh game taht can ONLY be DPS. And they don't even hit harder than other classes. fully champ geared, with teh rakata might stim up, with a 565 power adrenal up, with a 355 power relic up, and with bloodthirst active, the hardest I have ever critted force scream (my hardest hitting ability in my spec) is for 4.4k. So, that's not an L2P issue. all the buffs are active, the crit happened. Did it on an agent. and ive only critted over 4k twice... ever. That's hardly damage to go crying to mom about. Other classes hit jsut as hard and have just as much mitigation. You are just a whiner.

totally correct OP. /bump this thread. put in freaking macros.

I am in full champion gear. With a Rakata stim, an Adrenal that gives 565 power AND a relic that gives 365 power AND bloodhthirst ALL UP the HARDEST I HAVE EVER CRIT is for 4.4k with my most powerful ability. So you, in your part champ part centurion gear, critting for 5.6k, is probably out of whack, yes.

We are still on the squishy side even with them. Having undying rage doesnt make them not squishy. We have to have SOMETHING people. We are THE ONLY CLASS that doesn't have EVEN ONE of these tools: knockback, stun, stealth, sprint or pull. I'd even argue that we don't really have a vanish, since assassins and operatives can vanish and STAY STEALTHED. Ours lasts 4 seconds and we usually get obliterated even when we are supposed to be invisible. Anyone crying for a marauder nerf needs to get a life and learn how to play the game.

Totally BS. I am a fully geared Champion and i get obliterated all the time.

Thats not a marauder/sentinel. It's a Juggernaut/Guardian. Their smashes are much harder than a sentinel/marauder when they spec rage. Videos are stupid though. For all you know that guy was stimmed, had a marauder buddy pop bloodthirst on him, popped a relic, slammed an adrenal, and grabbed the damage buff located in teh battleground, and then edited all of his hardest smashes into one video.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read. This is a reasonably well balanced game. The only thing that was wildly out of whack was operatives and they are getting a nerf.

You do have a 10m stun. Marauders have no stun. You make a lot out of Force charge, but it is on a 15 sec CD and every other class in teh game has a knockback.

So the solution is either buff everyone else or do nothign and let one class reign supreme? that's crazy. It's an MMO. There will be tuning. Everyone knows and recognizes that this class overperformed and had to be brought in line.

This is stupid. How is "buff everyone up to be as good as this one class" more sensible than nerfing one class that is way out of line? People are just crying because they want to be OP and got used to strolling around melting people without having to try and now they are butthurt they won't be able to do it anymore.

This is STUPID AS HELL! You say there are easily countered by stuns and knockbacks... well guess what. I play a marauder. I cant put any points into healing or tanking to increase my survivability. I cant stealth. I can't knockback. I can't stun. Operatives can VANISH if they get into trouble and STAY IN STEALTH. They wear the same armor I do. How does it make sense that they can obliterate me during the duration of their very first stun when I am wearing full champion gear. Of course I could always use Unleash to get out of that stun... but then they knock me down and I die during the duration of that. No fighting involved whatsoever. It's stupid.

Why should you get to kill things that quickly? HUH?!? I am a freaking marauder. I get NO STUN! NO STEALTH! I wear THE SAME ARMOR as you! Why should you hit 50% harder than me!

Which was totally freaking necessary considering that, when I wear full champion gear, an operative can kill me during the duration of his first stun. Of course I can use unleash and break that stun, in which case he knocks me down and kills me during THAT.

The damage is actually calculated immediately so the wind up on teh animation is not a real issue.

Heavy armor actually only mitigates 50% of the damage types in teh game. I think we should have the ability to keep cloak of pain up 100% of the time if we talent it. But that might be OP. Really I just think we need a stun (make savage kick a 3 second stun and lower teh damage) and make Force Camo ACTUALLY MAKE US INVISIBLE! I get targeted all the time after popping the crap. and it should clear DoTs

I would most like a stun and a knockback immunity. Seriously, *** do we need pommel strike and savage kick for? They are useless at 50. You cant stun/immobilize bosses and cant use the 2 abilities in pvp. They are an idiotic waste of space. Make savage kick a 3 second knockdown adn tool down teh damage.

my vicious throw gets loads of people midair. That is not our issue.

You are totally full of it. No class can score faster than Assassin or Sorc. They have knockbacks, stuns, SPRINT. And their sprint is far faster than we run with predation up. Sorc can even pull friendly ball carriers to them. Marauders are garbage in huttball compared to other classes. This is another Elite Lamer post by someone who wants to claim they are better than everyone else. You spend a lot of your time running to attack people because you ahve to save your force charge for the inevitable knockback. Then you just get knocked back or pulled again. I know everyone gets knocked back on this map. I just want to be able to do something too.

I play Carnage and i do very well. It is very gear dependent and you ahve to time things properly. We do lack PvP utility. The fact taht every class has a knockdown/pull/stun and we have nothign is very telling.

I still think they sould drop the damage of Savage Kick and make it a stun/knockdown for 3 seconds. it would help us a lot.

It's a lot better in 50 after you get gear and are fighting level 20s and 30s without gear. Reserve judgement on our performance until there is a 50s only bracket. I can eat half the hp or more of a level 20-somethign with gore and one ravage. I take on a geared level 50 sorc with his bubbles and stuff and I can barely do 10% of his hp sometimes.

I don't know what you are looking at. BW posted on the forums saying they were surprised at the interest in pvp and that far more people were PvPing and with much more frequency than they ahd expected. When a community expresses interest in something like that, you have to support it.