Destiny_Legend Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 9 emperor tokens. I received 3 golden certificates in total. I got more than that from the king pin machine. Yeah, this event is now just a waste of time. Sad, I used to look forward to it every year. Edited July 9 by Destiny_Legend typo 6 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeannaVoyager Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, ProximaTrinity said: Emperor's Grace tokens cost 7.5mil but if you don't win the jackpot, you get the same reward you might get for hitting the jackpot on the Smuggler machines that cost 5k to roll. With 60mil credits in various chips, I got to spin the Emperor's Grace twice. I won a pet (jackpot) and two Golden Certificates. I earnt more for less on the Kingpin machines. Such might be the nature of gambling, but it does make the event feel extremely unfulfilling. A guildie bought Max Bet Emperor Chip for 150 million, he "won" 3 golden certificates. I know it's not real money, but it's a scam. We asked for legacy bound gambling chips. Too much to ask? Too difficult to do? Instead you managed to totally make this event just as unfun and grindy as the rest of the "improved" parts of the game. What a shame. This used to be a nice event. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agoraholik Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) another change not mentioned you can now get Purple Quality pets from Emperor's now 6 spins hit something 😃 a purple-border lobel about 2 hours later 5 spins win again sweet its ITS a purple-border bird not an item not a mount not even cerfs 2 jackpots 2 pets Edited July 9 by agoraholik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hajobavaria Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 I just dont get how every single update/change is literally something NOBODY asked for. Completely ruined Nightlife instead of just adding more and better rewards. You guys always praised about changing and listening to the community more often but you keep doing the same sh*t and then you guys wonder why people get mad and toxic. This game is going downhill, not because the game is getting old but or the team size is too small/less money, but because you keep spending the dev teams money and time to release absolute CRAP every single update. Thank you for ruining the best event and making this game unplayable. Great job! 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoPlushka Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Okay... I usually don't comment on forum but I barely can hold myself rn. For starters Nightlife event has a big spot in my heart, this was the 1st event I have seen when started playing SWTOR. As a totally new player I found it so fun to do, I totally has no money or anything in the game, but for a small amount of effords you could get something cool in it. I was spending hours rolling slot machines, chilling and enjoing the whole atmosphere of Nar Shaddaa casino. When shades were added as a reward, then it was one of the coolest and rarest item you could get. Each year I was waiting for exactly this event in order to get something new and cool for space barbing as well as for recriation the emotions I got long ago doing this event. I was waiting patiently for Nightlife event this year too, especially when I have seen that you added new achievements to grind. And never I was so disappointed like today. The changes you made... are terrible if to say this in the most polite way. I'm not going to remind you that Nightlife event currency for sure has to be legacy bind in order save player's time swapping toons and searching where they have anything. But in general, now you play to lose. You don't regain your currency rolling machines, all you do just lose everything in the fastest way I have ever seen in this event ever. I spent around 200 kingping chips less then half an hour, rolling 3 kingping machines simultaneously. It's just a ridiculous chips sink I've ever seen. The "credit" animation stoped having sense at all as well, before we got it only when we got something useful like certificates, now we get it every time we just gaining back a kinping chip. As if you are giving us the feeling that we won something, but in reality it's just an illusion when you got totally NOTHING. Now when you hit a jackpot, you don't feel any excitement at all, coz now all you get an Emperor's chip. You still can get Vectron or a companion, but putting an Emperor's chip on the same lvl as other rewards makes no sense. Buffs... Lucky buff started to be ridiculously difficult to get when before you could get it quite fast rolling smuggler machines. You still can get it drinking from the bar, but again you will die multiple times before it works. Grace buff makes no sense as well. You can sit the whole 10 minutes with it and don't get even a certificate with it on. They said "Lucky and Good Karma can stack on Emperor’s Grace Slot Machines to increase the chance of winning all the way to 100%" but it's not exactly true. With 2 buffs you can't actually lose an Emperor's chip and you will get something at least, but it doesn't increase your chance for gettinga jackpot. Not saying that it's quite difficult to get these 2 buffs similtaniously. For example if you get Grace buff and try to cheat the system, trying to get Lucky buff by drinking, when you die, it will remove your Grace buff asap. Rolling Emperor's machine with just Grace buff doesn't influence on anything much, you still can lose an Emperor's chip with it. For now, spending more then 500 kingping chips and around 30 Emperor's chips I didn't get any reward which I couldn't buy from vendors for certificates. It means that the drop of rare items started to be even lower then before. I guess in order to get new helmet you have to spend 100s of Emperor's chips what is not inspiring at all. I should remind that chips are still not cheap to buy. 1 Emperor's chip costs 7,5 mill. So in order to get 100 rolling achivement you have to spend 750 mill what common players can't afford. Event started to be grindy for no reason and I think they are trying to fight inflation this way as well. I don't understand why player base was told about all changes just a day before the event was released. Why developers never disscussed with us their ideas beforehand instead of listnening to our critisism that the event stopped to be fun? I see only one reason, they knew that players will not like it. Then I don't understand even more, why did you do this if you knew that the player base would be not happy? I can say rn, the year of waiting was for nothing. I never was so upset. You are taking fun of the game not only of endgame community but also from casual players who were having fun doing these kind of events. Like ppl said before, you are upsetting your customers and make us thinking about leaving and not supporting the game anymore. What's the sense of this? I thought you were trying to add new cool things in SWTOR and make it glorious again but all I see is a downfall. But if you leave Nightlife event like this, there is no reason even to play it. We will have no money and currency to do it so fast, and not getting anything also doesn't make us wanna even trying. Please, listen to us and rethink. It's still possible to fix things!!! 14 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckrond Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Adding my signature to the "This was a bad change" list; Don't see anyone defending it, so that's good at least. Seems the only way to win generally consistently at Emperor's Grace now is to lose at Kingpin's, then lose at Smuggler's, then, with the two buffs, play Emperor's Grace and get around a 20% chance at winning something that isn't a certificate, but will probably be a pet or high roller weapon. How fun. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strathkin Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) Part I: On 7/9/2024 at 9:54 AM, NeoPlushka said: 1 Emperor's chip costs 7,5 mill. So in order to get 100 rolling achivement you have to spend 750 mill what common players can't afford. ! Or you could just also do all the daily activities to earn 1 FREE Emperor's Chip, and that's per Character; so if you have 10 Character's or 20, that's once per week + few others each day... ...the Event also runs several weeks. You also can regularly win them from Bosses in Flashpoints, Operations, Uprising as well. While I do largely agree with most other things you said, I just wanted to clarify you don't have to spend 750 million to earn that achievement. On 7/9/2024 at 9:54 AM, NeoPlushka said: The changes you made... are terrible if to say this in the most polite way... & The "credit" animation stoped having sense at all as well, before we got it only when we got something useful like certificates, now we get it every time we just gaining back a kinping chip. As if you are giving us the feeling that we won something, but in reality it's just an illusion when you got totally NOTHING. However this part in particular is very upsetting, I mean the whole feeling of you hit the jackpot for simply earning another play, really that's nonsense. On 7/9/2024 at 10:07 AM, Eckrond said: Adding my signature to the "This was a bad change" list; Don't see anyone defending it, so that's good at least. Seems the only way to win generally consistently at Emperor's Grace now is to lose at Kingpin's, then lose at Smuggler's, then, with the two buffs, play Emperor's Grace and get around a 20% chance at winning something that isn't a certificate, but will probably be a pet or high roller weapon. How fun. Still as others have noted, given changes made to economy, with all the taxes a lot of people have less credit's than perhaps they had this time last year; so most changes to reduced odd's of winning seem highly unnecessary... ...especially on Emperor's Slot & Kingpins machines! While fixing the "players could get in a loop where they spend chips only to be rewarded more chips" is perhaps fine? I just feel they went too far, so none of this news is real exciting! More concerning is the Jackpot credit animation, for winning a Kingpin Chip, on a Kingpin slot; used to happen on more worthy wins as shown above! All most want is really a few New Reward's introduced, every year or so... ...to a variety of Events! Update: Kingpin need more Chip Upgrades, or a few more Wins, and also consider Part II (below) Nar Nightlife Event Updates 2024 - Page 6 - General Discussion On 7/11/2024 at 2:49 PM, MasterNightstar said: I have played now with both buffs and lost over and over again on Emperors Grace I seem to so called win cartel/golden certificates and in 41 spins have won 2 Pets, 1 lightstaff and armor set. The kingpin machine is a joke I have won 2 emperor coins in over 400 spins. ... Fix this before this event ends, don't pull a Gentle heart Achievement move and fix it just after the event ended. Player base is way to small at the current time but doing these things is going to cost ya more loyal people. Edited August 5 by Strathkin See Update, to clarify what not exciting means. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exly Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, SnakeSNMF said: ... there was just absolute radio silence... I'm pretty sure that radio silence is their company policy, and having respect for players is not the job description at the studio. It's really just all about the Benjamins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoPlushka Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Some ppl just confirmed that they spent 500+ Emperor's chips for getting all the new achivements... With all respect I'm not sure how a new player can get so much even doing every activity during event running period. Ppl spend their tokens from previous years or were buing them. I don't mind the event be grindy but this is going out of controll. Moreover, not everyone sold their soul to RNG gods, you can rolle machines and be totally unlucky in it with this item drops %. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakhathKilrathi Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) Ya'll know credit sinks only work if people engage with them, right? Maybe some people will, but I'm just not seeing a reason to. The only new thing is a helmet that probably doesn't work right if it's the same mechanic as the glasses. There are some new dyes I guess but they're for gold certs if you want them, which a lot of us already have a stock of. I checked out the new mechanics long enough to determine that it's really just not worth the time. I can't be the only one. Edited July 9 by DakhathKilrathi 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoPlushka Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 There are at least 6 new achivements. 3 of them are rolling the Emperor's machine, 1 to get the Nigtlife skiff, 1 is to get new helmet and 1 is for getting weapons. I was talking for compleating all of them, not only weapon one. Quote If you go up and read, people in the thread confirmed you can earn the new achievements, by just mailing the item to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exly Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 7 minutes ago, DakhathKilrathi said: Ya'll know credit sinks only work if people engage with them, right? Maybe some people will, but I'm just not seeing a reason to. The only new thing is a helmet that probably doesn't work right if it's the same mechanic as the glasses. There are some new dyes I guess but they're for gold certs if you want them, which a lot of us already have a stock of. I checked out the new mechanics long enough to determine that it's really just not worth the time. I can't be the only one. I agree. It's just a shame that the changes being made are causing people to walk away from content that should have been designed to attract people to the game. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillerbees Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 One measly new reward. It really is a pitiful state of affairs and a kick in the teeth for those who subscribe year in, year out. You can modernise the look of the machines and tinker with the payout rates/mechanics all you like but thats not encouraging repeat play. So as a long time subscriber this year, so far I've passed on a Spring event that was delivered late in the season and with bugs, passed on a new pet acquisition system which is overly cumbersome and which seems to require tweeking as players test it the live environment and now the Summer event which offers virtually nothing new. Not brilliant is it? In case you ask why I still subscribe, its to keep a couple of small guilds and their fully unlocked guildships in safe ownership and in the hope that things improve...ever the optimist!🙄 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyriel Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 20 hours ago, JoeStramaglia said: Our goal with the below changes is to improve the Nar Nightlife experience by reducing the amount of time it takes to play and win prizes with the slot machines. This has got to be one of the most risible statements I have seen from SWTOR devs, and I have seen more than my fair share over the past nearly-13 years. Seriously. You will accomplish precisely one-half of that goal - it will reduce the amount of time it takes to play (to approximately zero in my case). I have no idea how anyone thought this improved the winning half of that equation, as these changes do precisely the opposite. Since you have shared the changes (barely in advance of us discovering them for ourselves, so I guess pats on the back all around for that improvement?), perhaps you would be so good as to tell us why they were made. I don't mean the above-quoted goal statement. I mean the reasons these changes in particular were considered desirable. What, exactly, do you think they add to the player experience? Has that estimation changed in light of feedback? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoxArten Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 20 hours ago, JoeStramaglia said: Previously, players could get in a loop where they spend chips only to be rewarded more chips and it resulted in longer play sessions of just spinning machines. Our goal with the below changes is to improve the Nar Nightlife experience by reducing the amount of time it takes to play and win prizes with the slot machines. Possibly not the popular opinion here, but THANK YOU!!! Honestly, that infinite loop made me find the event rather frustrating. If I wanted to try for the items I did like I would get stuck at the machines for hours, and some may find that cool or fun but it is boring for me! I played for over an hour off less than 100 smuggler chips, back and forth between machines getting kingpin then emperor chips only to get the reverse and go back and forth while when I gave up for the day I had gained little or nothing but a lot of wasted time and a ton of chips. At times 4 emperor chips would give me 200 kingpin chips!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christie_Swift Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Why break it when it used to be a FUN event! The odds are dismal against players now and will skip the event altogether until this is sorted out. 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Ziva Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, agoraholik said: another change not mentioned you can now get Purple Quality pets from Emperor's now 6 spins hit something 😃 a purple-border lobel about 2 hours later 5 spins win again sweet its ITS a purple-border bird not an item not a mount not even cerfs 2 jackpots 2 pets Are these new pets? All the ones I have in my cargo hold from previous years (except the claw machine) have purple borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meiran Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 20 minutes ago, Screaming_Ziva said: Are these new pets? All the ones I have in my cargo hold from previous years (except the claw machine) have purple borders. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubiehole Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 45 minutes ago, RoxArten said: Possibly not the popular opinion here, but THANK YOU!!! Honestly, that infinite loop made me find the event rather frustrating. If I wanted to try for the items I did like I would get stuck at the machines for hours, and some may find that cool or fun but it is boring for me! I played for over an hour off less than 100 smuggler chips, back and forth between machines getting kingpin then emperor chips only to get the reverse and go back and forth while when I gave up for the day I had gained little or nothing but a lot of wasted time and a ton of chips. At times 4 emperor chips would give me 200 kingpin chips!!! You're in luck! Now 4 Emperor chips has a good chance to give you nothing. Not 50 Kingpin chips, not an Emperor chip to try again, just nothing. If you thought it took a long time to win something previously, get ready for it to take a lot longer. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meiran Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, RoxArten said: Possibly not the popular opinion here, but THANK YOU!!! Honestly, that infinite loop made me find the event rather frustrating. If I wanted to try for the items I did like I would get stuck at the machines for hours, and some may find that cool or fun but it is boring for me! I played for over an hour off less than 100 smuggler chips, back and forth between machines getting kingpin then emperor chips only to get the reverse and go back and forth while when I gave up for the day I had gained little or nothing but a lot of wasted time and a ton of chips. At times 4 emperor chips would give me 200 kingpin chips!!! The problem you'll have now is running out of kingpin chips. But not to worry, the emperors will give you nothing, so you don't need to do the loop. Instead, just buy another 50 chips! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-steve Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 "Players with a keen eye will notice that modernization has begun on Nar Shaddaa! The first updates are to the slot machines around the planet, in the Nightlife event, and even in your Strongholds if you have them as Decorations." Is this coming at a later date? I saw no such changes to the slots. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin_chi_lao Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 59 minutes ago, Sir-steve said: "Players with a keen eye will notice that modernization has begun on Nar Shaddaa! The first updates are to the slot machines around the planet, in the Nightlife event, and even in your Strongholds if you have them as Decorations." Is this coming at a later date? I saw no such changes to the slots. Unless we get side by side before and after pictures you won't notice the difference. It's very subtle like when they updated the legacy, local and guild storage bays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wynndee Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Yeah, I am so sad, I really look forward to this event. Now, I spent several million with nothing in return, not one thing. And I changed servers so I had nothing to begin with, really not encouraging me to keep playing. Fun detected I guess. See, this is a video game, the economy dosent really have to reflect real life, really it dosent. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-steve Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 12 minutes ago, ronin_chi_lao said: Unless we get side by side before and after pictures you won't notice the difference. It's very subtle like when they updated the legacy, local and guild storage bays. I assumed the before and after were above and below each other in the 'news' article here: https://www.swtor.com/info/news/[news-category]/20240709 If its the right to left in the top photo yeah, your right - nothing noteworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTricicolo Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 "You will take what we give you and LIKE IT!" 😂 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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