Spoilers and why I did not like TLJ

[NuSeC]

my god you don't even know what a Straw Man is.

 

Yeah... animated movies are usually flops.... oh wait

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=animation.htm

so here is a list of 100 animated movies that did better then The Clone Wars cartoon.

 

The statement was the star wars brand can carry any movie doesn't matter if its live action or animated. But the Clone wars did bad even for an animated movie.

 

Are you telling me

 

The Rugrats Movie

Rise of the Guardians

|Over the Hedge

Gnomeo and Juliet TRIPPED the Clone Wars Box office.

are better then The Star Wars Brand?

 

For god's sake The Angry Birds Movie TRIPPLED The Clone Wars movie domesticially and more then quadrupled it world wide.

 

 

Go on tell me that the fact its animated is the reason it was a failure

 

Just for reference its ranked 172 on highest animated films.

 

edit: Oh the Emoji movie beat it bringing in 86 million domestically 216 world wide

A strawman is making up the other persons argument or twisting it and arguing against that instead of what they actually claimed.

 

He was clearly talking about the saga movies while you brought up a cartoon to dismiss his statement. That is the strawman. You don't know what a strawman is if you don't see that.

 

Obviously nobody is going to go watch a freaking starwars cartoon. I don't even remember them advertising it to be honest.

 

 

Also,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

"The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(film)

The Clone Wars served as an introduction to the television series of the same name, which debuted on October 3, 2008. Though critical reception was negative, the film was a box office success, and grossed $68.3 million worldwide against an $8.5 million budget.

 

LMAO!

Edited January 7, 2018 by NuSeC

[jarjarloves]

A strawman is making up the other persons argument or twisting it and arguing against that instead of what they actually claimed.

 

He was clearly talking about the saga movies while you brought up a cartoon to dismiss his statement. That is the strawman. You don't know what a strawman is if you don't see that.

 

Obviously nobody is going to go watch a freaking starwars cartoon. I don't even remember them advertising it to be honest.

 

 

Also,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

"The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(film)

The Clone Wars served as an introduction to the television series of the same name, which debuted on October 3, 2008. Though critical reception was negative, the film was a box office success, and grossed $68.3 million worldwide against an $8.5 million budget.

 

LMAO!

Rogue One isn't a Saga movie and yet we consider it part of the Brand.

 

So you are claiming that the Star Wars brand is the strongest brand out there so strong it can make a bad movie 1 BILLION DOLLARS IN 3/12 WEEKS ..... but it can only carry the main Saga movies.

 

 

Those are 2 completely opposing viewpoints.

 

As i proved it under performed for even a Animated film.

Edited January 7, 2018 by jarjarloves

[jarjarloves]

Are you just going to be a specialist in something else when we get on that subject/topic?

 

no it's just what i am. Like I said don't take my word for it just google how a nuclear bomb works. It's a careful controled explosion.

 

What do you think they slap some TNT onto a piece of plutonium and a big boom happens?

 

Also, I am not just talking about nukes. I ONLY mentioned nukes because that is what we have and is more relateable to us.

apparently it's not as you just proved.

 

Maybe you can not except others having a different opinion than you therefore they must have something wrong with them huh?

 

sorry if correcting you on how physics work hurts your opinion.

 

It was just an addition to possible features. as if it was locked on something and they went into hyperspace trying to avoid it.

 

.... ok.... so the ship being fired at Jumps to Hyperspace to avoid it. Then the Missle follows it by jumping to hyper space. It can't hurt it IN hyper space so the ship exists Hyperspace and then the Missle.... then what? The Missle tries again? all while being fired at by the ship....

 

The ship could keep jumping unitl the missle runs out of fuel. thus making it a very inffective weapon

 

All ships do not almost come to a stop, I don't know what you are talking about.

 

ok name a canon source where we see a ship moving at full speed jumping to light speed (PSSST HERE"S A TIP YOU WON"T FIND ANY) We see this every time, the ship slows down you hear the engines powering up then boom it takes off.

 

If they had an issue shooting poe becuase he was too small and too close, I fail to see a problem here. The missile would be smaller as it would need no cockpit/guns etc.

 

how many people explained to you that the ship can't be that close otherwise it won't gain enough speed to do any damage and crash against the hull like in Rouge One.

 

So let's see if you can logic this one out.

 

If the missle needs to be far enough away to do damage.... but can only avoid being fired on if its really close.....

 

do you see the problem?

 

 

Then it is not the same thing. I mean if it was not at velocity, it does not matter.

.... and they weren't at maximum velocity why? say it with me They were Too close.....

 

Seriously what is wrong here you make the claim that if they are really close to the ship they won't be shot down... then in the SAME POST you disprove your own idea by stating that the reason they didn't damage they ships in Rogue one was because they weren't at maximum velocity because THEY WERE TOO CLOSE

Edited January 7, 2018 by jarjarloves

[NuSeC]

Rogue One isn't a Saga movie and yet we consider it part of the Brand.

 

So you are claiming that the Star Wars brand is the strongest brand out there so strong it can make a bad movie 1 BILLION DOLLARS IN 3/12 WEEKS ..... but it can only carry the main Saga movies.

 

 

Those are 2 completely opposing viewpoints.

 

As i proved it under performed for even a Animated film.

 

You missing the point that it costs them 8 mil to make the clone wars and they made back 68 mil. That is considered a success. I didnt say anything like that. My comment was on your strawman. That is all. You ended up proving the guys point more than anything.

Edited January 7, 2018 by NuSeC

[jarjarloves]

You missing the point that it costs them 8 mil to make the clone wars and they made back 68 mil. That is considered a success. I didnt say anything like that. My comment was on your strawman. That is all. You ended up proving the guys point more than anything.

 

facepalm....... you missed the point again...... most Animated movies make a profit because they are cheap to make and they can make a a couple mill.

 

I never said The Clone Wars didn't make a profit or was unprofitable. I said it WASN"T A HIT! The position is the Star Wars is the biggest franchise in history therfore anything with the Star Wars name on it is a huge blockbuster.

 

The Clone Wars was a failure even for an animated film.

 

You are despertely trying to goal post shift AGAIN.

 

Give it up you look foolish.

[Kaedusz]

People knowing the basic theory of black holes are the public. It is the physicists that know the details. In this comparison the common star wars movie fan is the random people and the true star wars fan versed in the EU, that know all the details, is the physicists.

 

When it comes to a franchise only the opinion of those most versed with it matter, when it comes to opinions about story and etc....

Yes what i said above doesn't matter when it comes to making money, but it matters when it comes to a true evaluation.

 

Many people versed in the EU like the new movies, but also many don't like it. I don't think the opinion of those that don't like it is more invalid than those that like it, just because of a billion random joes support the opinion of those that like it.

Edited January 8, 2018 by Kaedusz

[Burana]

Luke was even less trained than Rey before he met Obi Wan. She had a life of an orphan and had to fight for her life and bread every singly day. Luke had had a quiet farm-boy youth and hadn't fought anyone before. Neither did he spend much time training with Obi-Wan (only aboard the Millenium Falcon, before Obi-Wan died in combat with Darth Vader).

 

Everything else you wrote is kind of a general feeling, not reasons of why you didn't like the movie.

It's totally okay to not like something.

What is not okay is the troll campaign completely trashing TLJ in the fan community. Some people started it and conditioned the others. Now to be cool and real hardcore Star Wars fan you are kinda obliged to dislike TLJ.

 

I'd recommend to watch the movie again and focus on the positive stuff which was plenty. Rey-Kylo line is the best that happened in SW so far, hope you come to understand and appreciate it.

[AlienEyeTX]

People knowing the basic theory of black holes are the public. It is the physicists that know the details. In this comparison the common star wars movie fan is the random people and the true star wars fan versed in the EU, that know all the details, is the physicists.

 

When it comes to a franchise only the opinion of those most versed with it matter, when it comes to opinions about story and etc....

Yes what i said above doesn't matter when it comes to making money, but it matters when it comes to a true evaluation.

 

Many people versed in the EU like the new movies, but also many don't like it. I don't think the opinion of those that don't like it is more invalid than those that like it, just because of a billion random joes support the opinion of those that like it.

 

This is a terrible way to view the world... especially in entertainment. If LA/Disney only played to the hardcore base, they would fail miserably. When it comes to entertainment, it is the view of the masses that matters.

[NuSeC]

facepalm....... you missed the point again...... most Animated movies make a profit because they are cheap to make and they can make a a couple mill.

 

I never said The Clone Wars didn't make a profit or was unprofitable. I said it WASN"T A HIT! The position is the Star Wars is the biggest franchise in history therfore anything with the Star Wars name on it is a huge blockbuster.

 

The Clone Wars was a failure even for an animated film.

 

You are despertely trying to goal post shift AGAIN.

 

Give it up you look foolish.

 

 

It was a hit for the money put into it. The only ones that beat it spent more money making it.

[jarjarloves]

It was a hit for the money put into it. The only ones that beat it spent more money making it.

 

..... that's not how anything works....

 

Again.. the argument is The Last Jedi is only making 1 Billion dollars is because Star Wars is such a strong brand that it can make any movie no matter how bad it is a huge hit if it has Star Wars attached to it.

 

Now if you don't agree with that statement then fine and you can move on.

 

But as I showed Star Wars the Clone Wars was a huge disappointment. It was under-performing not just for a Star Wars movie but for an animated movie.

 

 

The only ones that beat it spent more money making it

I don't want to put words in your mouth but are you actually trying to claim that movies can only make more money if they spend more money making it? Because that might be the dumbest statement i have ever heard.

 

 

oh and one more thing the Clone Wars didn't cost 8 million, that is an estimate based on the average cost per episode of the series. Seeing as that was the pilot the actual cost is closer 30 million

Edited January 9, 2018 by jarjarloves

[Kaedusz]

This is a terrible way to view the world... especially in entertainment. If LA/Disney only played to the hardcore base, they would fail miserably. When it comes to entertainment, it is the view of the masses that matters.

What the **** are you talking about?

Lol this is not a world view, it's just a way to view franchises. It's also not a business strategy, nor do i claim it to be.

Edited January 9, 2018 by Kaedusz

[NuSeC]

..... that's not how anything works....

 

Again.. the argument is The Last Jedi is only making 1 Billion dollars is because Star Wars is such a strong brand that it can make any movie no matter how bad it is a huge hit if it has Star Wars attached to it.

 

Now if you don't agree with that statement then fine and you can move on.

 

But as I showed Star Wars the Clone Wars was a huge disappointment. It was under-performing not just for a Star Wars movie but for an animated movie.

His point is that SW is a brand, like Under Armor. Now you can buy a cotton t-shirt that will do that same thing but because of brand recognition, people will pay the extra for name brand. Same with shoes or anything else really.

 

A brand label does sell products. To suggest they do not ignores reality. It also ignores some of the real money, from all the toys and merchandise that goes with it.

 

Now onto your example of injecting a cartoon.

 

They spent 8,500,000 on the clone wars animated movie. 8,500,000 compared to 200,000,000 spent on TLJ.

The clone wars animated movie made back 68,000,000 for its 8 millions dollar investment. That is considered good no matter who you are. In fact, the ONLY animated movies that did better, spent far more to make. Saying "It was under-performing" for an animated movie when the ONLY ones to beat it had to spend more to make them.

 

With little to no advertising, they still made back their 8.5 mil and still profited 60 mil. Making back 8 times its investment.

 

Comparing that to TLJ with a 200 mil budget, heavy advertising campaign, will bust at 1.2 billion dollars. This made back 6 times its investment.

 

The numbers man, they dont lie. So what metric are you using to show failure?

 

I don't want to put words in your mouth but are you actually trying to claim that movies can only make more money if they spend more money making it? Because that might be the dumbest statement i have ever heard.

 

Not what I said but to suggest it does not play a factor is ludicrous. The question here is, if Disney's budget for TLJ was 8 million, would it have reached 1.2 billion in sales? I think there is no need to even question this as we all should know the answer.

 

oh and one more thing the Clone Wars didn't cost 8 million, that is an estimate based on the average cost per episode of the series. Seeing as that was the pilot the actual cost is closer 30 million

 

Source?

Show me proof it was 30,000,000. Even just google "the clone wars movie budget" 8.5 million is the only answer I am seeing. So, show me your source.

 

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Star-Wars#tab=summary

https://io9.gizmodo.com/5033398/george-lucas-spills-all-about-clone-wars-at-skywalker-ranch

 

"This series is a test run for the live action series I'm working on. I'm trying to take Star Wars, which was a $50-million-an-hour adventure, and do it for $2 million an hour. It's hard to do that and have them look the same."

George Lucas.

 

And this gem that shows how little advertising was done:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(film)

"Due to the Lucas's sudden decision to make a Clone Wars film after viewing footage of the television show, Lucas Licensing did not have time to enter into agreements with previous Star Wars marketing partners like Pepsi, Burger King and Kellogg's, with which the Lucasfilm licensing company had a 10-year marketing plan for the other films; when questioned by The New York Times about Star Wars merchandising in July 2006, a Pepsi spokesperson was unaware a new Star Wars film was even being released."

Yet still walked away with a return of 8 times what was invested... with little to no advertising. To say you could make something for 8 million and get a return of 8 times that in the same year a bad thing, lol. I really mean lol.

Edited January 10, 2018 by NuSeC

[jarjarloves]

I don't know what to say to you at this point, i mean if you aren't even going to take the time to read YOUR OWN SOURCES. What can I say?

 

again 8.5 mill is the price PER 30 MIN EPISODE. Perhaps you should try reading. the 30 million is including the 6 Million dollar advertising.

 

but you don't read YOUR OWN SOURCES... so what can I say?

 

So you know what i'll say it doesn't matter let's say it only cost $5 to make. Because the budget doesn't matter.

 

vThey spent 8,500,000 on the clone wars animated movie. 8,500,000 compared to 200,000,000 spent on TLJ.

 

 

and you say I was straw manning.

 

Production budget is not equal to return. The entire business model of Blum house is built on this. Look at the list of most profitable movies of all time.

 

Paranormal Activity had a budget of $450k and made over 89 Million. According to you that is impossible.

 

This is NOT an argument you want to make.

 

 

Now first you are claiming it wasn't heavlly advertised.... ok excpet it was, we are talking about heavy trailers as well as 6 different TV spots.

 

In fact The Clone Wars was in 3,452 THEATERS FOR 3 MONTHS!!. Only 4 Star Wars movies have been in more theaters, Episode 3, 7, 8 and Rogue One are the only Star Wars movies that were in more theaters.

 

That even puts it in the top 100 most widely released Animated films of ALL TIME. It's number 93. There are only 93 other animated movies that have been in more Theaters.

 

But you are still going to try to claim it wasn't heavily advertised and they were happy with 38 million.......

 

That/'s why they put it in MORE Theaters then Episode 1 or 2..... and kept it there for 3 months....

 

Hell the 3D version release of The Phantom Meance did better... oh hey there we go for you another example of Star Wars not carrying a movie. The 3D release of TPM was such a huge failure they candled ALL the plans to re release all the movies in 3D.

 

 

when questioned by The New York Times about Star Wars merchandising in July 2006

 

Star Wars: The Clone Wars Release Date: August 15, 2008

hmmmm But you know what I"m sure you gonna claim that there wasn't any tie in so here is a video of the McDonalds Happy Meal toys for Star Wars the Clone Wars in 2008..

 

Are you still gonna try to say it wasn't heavily advertised? ... yeah you probably will.

Edited January 10, 2018 by jarjarloves

[jarjarloves]

From your OWN SOURCE. You are Intellectually Dishonest

 

. Target and KB Toys also devoted shelf space for Clone Wars toys, but did not hold midnight releases or pursue the branding opportunities Toys "R" Us did. The McDonald's fast food restaurant chain held its first ever Happy Meal promotion for a Star Wars movie starting on August 15. For four weeks, 18 exclusive toys came in specially designed Happy Meal boxes.[9]

 

DK Publishing and Penguin Group released tie-in books, activities and other merchandise, including Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The Visual Guide (published by DK) and Star Wars: The Clone Wars (published by Puffin in the UK and by Grosset & Dunlap in the U.S). The publishers also released storybook, picture books and an activity book.[33] At the American International Toy Fair, LEGO announced a product line for the film and the TV series, to be released in July 2008 in the United States and August 2008 in the United Kingdom.[34] LucasArts adapted the movie into Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Jedi Alliance for the Nintendo DS and Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Lightsaber Duels for Wii.[35] A reviewer from PocketGamer.co.uk said his expectations for Jedi Alliance were low due to poor Clone Wars movie reviews, but he found the game "a varied and well-paced experience."[36]

 

Dark Horse Comics published a six-issue digest-sized comic book mini-series. Randy Stradley, vice president of publishing for Dark Horse, said the sudden decision to release the Clone Wars film required the company to temporarily delay plans for two other Star Wars comic book series, Dark Times and Rebellion. The Clone Wars comics did not receive the promotional campaign it otherwise would have due to the abruptness of the theatrical and comic book releases.[37] Topps, the trading cards company, released a series of 90 Clone Wars cards on July 26, which also included foil cards, motion cards, animation cel cards and rare sketch cards by top Star Wars artists and Lucasfilm animators.[38]

 

Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack was released by Sony Classical on August 12, 2008. The disc begins with the main theme by John Williams, followed by more than 30 separate music cues composed by Kevin Kiner.[18] Kiner is known for his work on such television series as Stargate SG-1, Star Trek: Enterprise, Superboy and CSI: Miami. The soundtrack uses many instruments never heard before in a Star Wars score, including synthesizers, electric guitars, erhus, duduks, ouds and taikos.[39]

 

A Star Wars: The Clone Wars open wheel car for the IndyCar Series was unveiled at the 2008 San Diego Comic-Con International. The #26 car, which also included Blockbuster Inc. decals and was driven by Andretti Green Racing driver Marco Andretti, ran August 24 on the Infineon Raceway in the Sonoma Mountains in California; Andretti said, "I'm hoping that my upcoming battle at Infineon will be as exciting as anything in a Star Wars movie so I can win it for both Blockbuster and Lucasfilm."[40] The car finished 14th at Infineon, which Andretti attributed to a slow pit stop early in the race; he added, "I just don't think it was a very good performance for us today."[41] The Clone Wars car was the second collaboration between Lucasfilm, Blockbuster and Andretti Green Racing, which premiered an Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull car in the Indianapolis 500 in May 2008.[40]

 

A Star Wars: The Clone Wars MP3 player was released in August 2008 for $59.99. The player includes one gigabyte of memory, which holds 1,630 songs or 64 hours of music and comes with three interchangeable faceplates: a green one with Yoda and a lightsaber on it, a silver one with a Captain Rex and a Galactic Empire logo on it, and one with two clone troopers on Coruscant. One review claimed it improved upon a Darth Vader MP3 player released in July 2008, which featured only 512 megabytes of memory and a dated visual display.[42] A Star Wars iPod iSpeaker (a speaker/dock for iPods, iPhones and MP3 players) also released for $19; the speaker includes an image of Captain Rex and three other Clone Troopers.[43]

 

1. an entire TOYLINE WITH A Midnight Release of Toys at Toys R US

2. Happy Meal Toys

3. Several Tie In books

4. Comics

5. Lego line

6. Sound Track

7. OPEN TOP CAR INDY RACE CAR DRIVEN BY Marco Andretti!!!!! ***????

8. A Clone Wars MP3 PLAYER!

 

And you have the balls to say "there wasn't much advertising?

 

Seriously shove off with your intellectual dishonesty.

 

concession accepted we are done here.

 

edit: 9. Clone Wars Trading Cards for the Movie released in July 2008 http://www.potomacdist.com/images/nons/infoscan/swcwmbi2.jpg

Edited January 10, 2018 by jarjarloves

[AshurDarksoul]

Reluctantly I went to watch the last jedi again last night. I left even more angry than the first time. This post will undoubtedly be attacked on several tiers. The inclusion of heavy handed Social Justice Warrior (sjw) themes has been noted and the film is being used to push progressive agenda. Whatever your political slant, personally, i dont want politics in my entertainment. I could adress the concepts of passive and aggressive indoctrination/ brainwashing techniques but this is not the forum for that.

 

Aside from the noted disappointments, one thing i missed in the discussion is the theme of the attack and destruction of religion, specifically Christianity. I know their are many posters that are aethiest and or agnostic which will probably derail my statements into a mockery denouncement of religion and Christianity, such is the nature of division and differing beliefs in this day and age. That said, I can detail these scenes like yoda " burning and mocking" the Jedi "bibles." In several films, Jedi and the force are identified as a religion. After viewing this movie, it wouldnt surprise me if they eventually extinguish the term jedi and sith and just focus on "the force."

 

-Ashur

[NuSeC]

I don't know what to say to you at this point, i mean if you aren't even going to take the time to read YOUR OWN SOURCES. What can I say?

 

You just want to argue.

again 8.5 mill is the price PER 30 MIN EPISODE. Perhaps you should try reading. the 30 million is including the 6 Million dollar advertising.

 

 

Links... show sources or shut up about it. I did. I provided links to my sources, where are yours? Nothing in the links I provided says anything about 30,000,000 you are lying.

 

I have shown the links supporting my post. 8.5 million. Show me the link that says 30. You don't say it is in a link I provided and not quote it. How is it every other site says 8.5 and you pull 30 out of thin air? I'll tell you why, it is because you are a lying.

 

but you don't read YOUR OWN SOURCES... so what can I say?

 

So you know what i'll say it doesn't matter let's say it only cost $5 to make. Because the budget doesn't matter.

 

 

I quoted my sources... and you are complaining about what was said. Are you arguing with me or George Lucas?

"Because the budget doesn't matter. " LMBO! Really? Alright then, if TLJ spent 8.5 mill, would it have still made 1.2 bill at the BO?

 

and you say I was straw manning.

Because you are.

Production budget is not equal to return. The entire business model of Blum house is built on this. Look at the list of most profitable movies of all time.

OMG... are you suggesting seriously that the budget of a film does not matter? I mean, like at all, it does not matter? Are you actually saying this? So TLJ would have made 1.2 bill with an 8.5 mil budget? I see you avoided this question once already.

Paranormal Activity had a budget of $450k and made over 89 Million. According to you that is impossible.

 

This is NOT an argument you want to make.

Are we talking SW or what? Also, again... I said it plays a factor. A large one too.

 

Now first you are claiming it wasn't heavlly advertised.... ok excpet it was, we are talking about heavy trailers as well as 6 different TV spots.

 

In fact The Clone Wars was in 3,452 THEATERS FOR 3 MONTHS!!. Only 4 Star Wars movies have been in more theaters, Episode 3, 7, 8 and Rogue One are the only Star Wars movies that were in more theaters.

 

 

I showed links specifically talking about not only how little it was advertised but how it was all done at the last minute with a lot of the big name companies not even knowing about it or being involved, companies that are involved in other SW films.

That even puts it in the top 100 most widely released Animated films of ALL TIME. It's number 93. There are only 93 other animated movies that have been in more Theaters.

 

But you are still going to try to claim it wasn't heavily advertised and they were happy with 38 million.......

Just because it is in theaters does not mean people even knew it was out. I proved this point already but go ahead and march on little soldier.

That/'s why they put it in MORE Theaters then Episode 1 or 2..... and kept it there for 3 months....

 

Hell the 3D version release of The Phantom Meance did better... oh hey there we go for you another example of Star Wars not carrying a movie. The 3D release of TPM was such a huge failure they candled ALL the plans to re release all the movies in 3D.

Dont just jump around to another movie until this one is hammered out. Stick with your clone wars theory. I am not jumping into other movies until this is hammered out.

 

 

 

 

hmmmm But you know what I"m sure you gonna claim that there wasn't any tie in so here is a video of the McDonalds Happy Meal toys for Star Wars the Clone Wars in 2008..

 

Are you still gonna try to say it wasn't heavily advertised? ... yeah you probably will.

You show some mcdonalds kids meal toys to show that a star wars movie was well advertised when I showed the link to Lucasarts dismissing your gibberish. Move along kid.

 

Also, on top of making back 8 time its investment, the job of the movie was to plug the upcoming TV show of the same name. That TV show lasted for several seasons until lucasfilm was baught by Disney. Also adding this:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_(film)

"Lucas described the film was "almost an afterthought."[4] Howard Roffman, president of Lucas Licensing, said of the decision, "Sometimes George works in strange ways."[9] Producer Catherine Winder said the sudden decision added to an already large challenge of establishing a show "of this sophistication and complexity,"[10] but she felt it was a good way to start the series, and she felt budgetary constraints forced the production team to think outside the box in a positive way."

 

Have the other movies been thought of as an after thought or were they basically there just to plug a TV series?

 

And you talk of intellectual dishonesty.

Edited January 10, 2018 by NuSeC

[NuSeC]

From your OWN SOURCE. You are Intellectually Dishonest

Then you go on to list toys... where was the Super bowl commercial? The tv commercials? Cinematic trailers in theaters? where are these things. I did not say there were no merchandise again, MR strawman. also, you failed to quote the part I did. You left it off as if there was no issue when even this was said, I will post it again:

 

"Due to the Lucas's sudden decision to make a Clone Wars film after viewing footage of the television show, Lucas Licensing did not have time to enter into agreements with previous Star Wars marketing partners like Pepsi, Burger King and Kellogg's, with which the Lucasfilm licensing company had a 10-year marketing plan for the other films; when questioned by The New York Times about Star Wars merchandising in July 2006, a Pepsi spokesperson was unaware a new Star Wars film was even being released."

 

 

Oh wait, there were no cinematic trailers nor a Superbowl spot either. But continue acting as if it was pushed as hard as the other movies. LMAO!!!!!!

 

1. an entire TOYLINE WITH A Midnight Release of Toys at Toys R US

This just screams a movie is coming out because everyone goes to toys r us.

2. Happy Meal Toys

3. Several Tie In books

 

4. Comics

5. Lego line

6. Sound Track

7. OPEN TOP CAR INDY RACE CAR DRIVEN BY Marco Andretti!!!!! ***????

8. A Clone Wars MP3 PLAYER!

 

And you have the balls to say "there wasn't much advertising?

I didn't just say it, Lucasfilm did. I am just going with the information they provided. But if you want to continue believing it was hyped like all the other films with cinematic trailers a year away from its release and all that stuff. Super bowl spots and all, well more power to you kid.

 

Seriously shove off with your intellectual dishonesty.

Yes, posting factual quotes shows intellectual dishonesty. Yet you are the one pulling 30,000,000 out of thin air with out supplying where you are getting that number. Nor showing it was treated the same as other releases. And yet it still made back 8 times its investment.

 

concession accepted we are done here.

 

Yes you are.

[NuSeC]

no it's just what i am. Like I said don't take my word for it just google how a nuclear bomb works. It's a careful controled explosion.

 

What do you think they slap some TNT onto a piece of plutonium and a big boom happens?

 

apparently it's not as you just proved.

In the very post and comment you are replying to, I stated the basics of how they work. You add this in to try and be snide.

 

sorry if correcting you on how physics work hurts your opinion.

Thats the thing, you did not correct anything about nuclear missiles. Nothing needed fixed. I said I meantion it because it is more firmilliar to us and relatable then seismic charges. yet still this snotty crap like a 4 year old.

 

.... ok.... so the ship being fired at Jumps to Hyperspace to avoid it. Then the Missle follows it by jumping to hyper space. It can't hurt it IN hyper space so the ship exists Hyperspace and then the Missle.... then what? The Missle tries again? all while being fired at by the ship....

 

The ship could keep jumping unitl the missle runs out of fuel. thus making it a very inffective weapon

Know how the first order ships could not catch the rebels? I mean the movie was basically like that. except this would be faster and would catch it. as far as running out of fuel, why would it run out before what it is chasing would?

ok name a canon source where we see a ship moving at full speed jumping to light speed (PSSST HERE"S A TIP YOU WON"T FIND ANY) We see this every time, the ship slows down you hear the engines powering up then boom it takes off.

LMAO. And another straw man, shifting the burden of proof onto me and you are moving goal posts. HAHA at your argument fallacies!!!

1) You claimed they always stopped/slowed down before jumping <you made this claim. it is not up to me to debunk it, it is up to YOU to prove it.

2) I never said they jump from full speed into lightspeed <strawman and moving goal posts. I said they dont have to stop before they jump.

3) (PSSST HERE"S A TIP YOU, don't use argument fallacies)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EclGfgIgQh0 All Hyperspace jump scenes in TFA. Shows them making the jump - from moving or being completely stopped inside another ship.

how many people explained to you that the ship can't be that close otherwise it won't gain enough speed to do any damage and crash against the hull like in Rouge One.

 

So let's see if you can logic this one out.

 

If the missle needs to be far enough away to do damage.... but can only avoid being fired on if its really close.....

 

do you see the problem?

 

No, I see a problem with them letting Poe get that close to start with before trying to shoot him and still missing. However, a missile would not stop on its mission to crank call a "yo mamma" joke. So it would actually be easier then Poe to get closer and smaller. No issue here at all. EDIT to mention Hon jumped to lightspeed from inside another ship... making my point that they could be used as missiles fired from even inside another ship. You just fire hyperspace weapons at it right from the ship itself. So we have a ship going into hyperspace from inside another ship and we know the range to do it in by what Haldo did. Done and done.

.... and they weren't at maximum velocity why? say it with me They were Too close.....

Say it with me, the missile would have no reason to stop. It would come out, get in the correct range to ignites the hyperdrive engines and done. You act as if it is an impossible task but we have saw it done with a much larger craft that was not even built for this sort of thing. Imagine a missile that was.

Seriously what is wrong here you make the claim that if they are really close to the ship they won't be shot down... then in the SAME POST you disprove your own idea by stating that the reason they didn't damage they ships in Rogue one was because they weren't at maximum velocity because THEY WERE TOO CLOSE

 

No, My point was Poe had to get into that range to start with right? He did not magically appear there, he had to get in front of them by traveling to them and then he hung out in front of them to make a "yo mamma" joke. then sped in to the retarded giant guns that can't hit anything. Saying a non-stop moving missile would be more difficult is just silly.

Edited January 11, 2018 by NuSeC

[NuSeC]

 

.... ok.... so the ship being fired at Jumps to Hyperspace to avoid it. Then the Missle follows it by jumping to hyper space. It can't hurt it IN hyper space so the ship exists Hyperspace and then the Missle.... then what? The Missle tries again? all while being fired at by the ship....

 

The ship could keep jumping unitl the missle runs out of fuel. thus making it a very inffective weapon

 

 

If the missle needs to be far enough away to do damage.... but can only avoid being fired on if its really close.....

Also, I do not like to pick at grammar, however, you managed to misspell "missile" 5 times in just this post. For someone who's job was to:

i was a Navy Nuke who operated 4 Nuclear reactors and taught AP Physics for 5 years.

 

Seems a little suspicious.

 

 

Remember kids, you can be anyone on the internet.

Edited January 11, 2018 by NuSeC

[AlienEyeTX]

Also, I do not like to pick at grammar, however, you managed to misspell "missile" 5 times in just this post. For someone who's job was to:

 

 

Seems a little suspicious.

 

 

Remember kids, you can be anyone on the internet.

 

Personal attacks? You? Say it ain't so...

[NuSeC]

Personal attacks? You? Say it ain't so...

 

Were you one of his students he had during his 5 year tenure? Did you not bother to tell your teacher he was consistently misspelling the word "missile" I mean he "taught physics" after all. I wonder why, during his time as a navy man, none of his superior officers ever corrected him?

 

*edit to add*

Pointing out the obvious is not an attack. He made it personal when he was trying to use his personal experience as evidence to his claims. Pointing out the flaw in someones argument is not an attack.

Edited January 11, 2018 by NuSeC

[jarjarloves]

So aside from being Intellectually dishonest, you don't read your own sources and you lack basic reading comprehension.

 

let's take a look at this statement you read and quoted

 

 

""Due to the Lucas's sudden decision to make a Clone Wars film after viewing footage of the television show, Lucas Licensing did not have time to enter into agreements with previous Star Wars marketing partners like Pepsi, Burger King and Kellogg's, with which the Lucasfilm licensing company had a 10-year marketing plan for the other films; when questioned by The New York Times about Star Wars merchandising in July 2006, a Pepsi spokesperson was unaware a new Star Wars film was even being released." "

Your first comment about this section was

I showed links specifically talking about not only how little it was advertised

 

.... is that what you think it says? No where in that entire article does it talk or even hint at it was barely advertised.

 

The section you quote talks about how they didn't go with some of the previous advertisers such as Pepsi, Burger King and Kellogs and then quotes a person from Pepsi that he was unaware of the Movie. That just means Lucasfilm never contacted those companies. It doesn't mean it wasn't heaviily adveristed which you WOULD KNOW IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE.

 

What's really crazy is that you stopped that quote half way through the paragraph ignoring the fact the toyline had a midnight release at Toys R Us and more importantly that McDonalds had a whole 18 piece Happy Meal line, that line even had full 30 second ads on Televsion in the US and in Europe. McDonalds being the largest fast food company in the world is a HUGE step up from Burger King.

 

Then I tell you there was a lot of advertisng and LIST all the other major advertising iN THE ARTICLE YOU PROVIDED.

 

you're resopne is

 

I didn't just say it, Lucasfilm did.

 

***??? Lucasfilm NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE ADVERTISING LET ALONE THERE WAS VERY LITTLE.

You just completely made that up. Hell you even highlighted in the same post that it was a Pepsi spokeswoman and not a Lucasfilm employee....

this is just pathetic.

 

 

" are you suggesting seriously that the budget of a film does not matter?"

I'm gonna try this again

because you lack basic reading comprehension. Budget... does not equal Box office success.

 

I see you avoided this question once already.

No i didn't you just lack the ability to comprehend the answer

 

Oh wait, there were no cinematic trailers nor a Superbowl spot either. But continue acting as if it was pushed as hard as the other movies. LMAO!!!!!!

 

You literally quoted me telling you there were cinematic trailers as well as TV spots.....

 

 

Now first you are claiming it wasn't heavlly advertised.... ok excpet it was, we are talking about heavy trailers as well as 6 different TV spots. l.

 

But again... you DON"T READ YOUR OWN SOURCES!!

 

At the TOP of the WOOKIPEDIA PAGE YOU LINKED IS ONE OF THE SEVERAL THEATRICAL TRAILERS]

So here are a FEW of the cinematic trailers AND one of the TV spots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aICP_n8lRq4

 

 

 

Just because it is in theaters does not mean people even knew it was out. I proved this point already but go ahead and march on little soldier.

 

As I just establsihed you did not prove the movie wasn't heavily advertised in fact you did the exact opposite by complaing there was no trailer yet linking to a site that HAD THE THEATRCIAL TRAILER so i guess no one knew about that movie.

 

btw you know TLJ didn't have a Superbowl ad

 

This just screams a movie is coming out because everyone goes to toys r us.

..... Star Wars Fans do...

 

Yes, posting factual quotes shows intellectual dishonesty

.... that's not what intellectual dishonesty means.... oh.. i should have realized you don't understand what Intellectual dishonesty means...

 

 

half of these post are me correcting you on your own sources that you link.

Edited January 11, 2018 by jarjarloves

[jarjarloves]

Were you one of his students he had during his 5 year tenure? Did you not bother to tell your teacher he was consistently misspelling the word "missile" I mean he "taught physics" after all. I wonder why, during his time as a navy man, none of his superior officers ever corrected him?

 

*edit to add*

Pointing out the obvious is not an attack. He made it personal when he was trying to use his personal experience as evidence to his claims. Pointing out the flaw in someones argument is not an attack.

 

pssst guess what? I don't care about spelling on the SWTOR forums. Also what do you think people write in the navy?

 

No seriously do you think we write a book on our feelings on the sub all day?

 

Like i said you don't have to take my word you can google how a nuclear weapon works yourself. No one is stopping you from learning.

[NuSeC]

I stopped reading your wall of gibberish after this.

 

 

.... is that what you think it says? No where in that entire article does it talk or even hint at it was barely advertised.

 

 

Because I have posted this several times now.

 

 

"Due to the Lucas's sudden decision to make a Clone Wars film after viewing footage of the television show, Lucas Licensing did not have time to enter into agreements with previous Star Wars marketing partners like Pepsi, Burger King and Kellogg's, with which the Lucasfilm licensing company had a 10-year marketing plan for the other films; when questioned by The New York Times about Star Wars merchandising in July 2006, a Pepsi spokesperson was unaware a new Star Wars film was even being released."

 

 

Just stop dude.

[jarjarloves]

I stopped reading your wall of gibberish after this.

 

 

Because I have posted this several times now.

 

 

"Due to the Lucas's sudden decision to make a Clone Wars film after viewing footage of the television show, Lucas Licensing did not have time to enter into agreements with previous Star Wars marketing partners like Pepsi, Burger King and Kellogg's, with which the Lucasfilm licensing company had a 10-year marketing plan for the other films; when questioned by The New York Times about Star Wars merchandising in July 2006, a Pepsi spokesperson was unaware a new Star Wars film was even being released."

 

 

Just stop dude.

and you got it wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME

 

 

 

2006 INTERVIEW..

 

 

The MOVIE CAME OUT IN 2008

 

so yeah... in 2006 there was no advertising.... why would there be?

 

The first trailer for TFA dropped 1 year before release and that was a huge deal it was that early.

 

your lack of basic reading comprehension is astounding.