The identity of the traitor in the war for Iokath

[Elessara]

And some psychos actually killed Zo-om.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did. I killed Zoom.

 

I didn't ... I didn't even know you *could* kill her lol.

[Ghobling]

this is exactly why she should be considered and you are missing the point of what she is anyway, a sith. she will always have another angle to play, that is what a sith does. she will look for the best way to take you out with maximum punishment, in knowing who you are and exactly what you will do while being there personally to oversee these choices, this makes for a perfect envionment to learn everything about her enemy from within and know exactly how to counter it or prevent it before there is even a problem.

 

same for theron and it's because he is a spy, it's his job to become someone else, to learn, to sabotage and divide targets up by suspicion either on behalf of a group he represents or for his own goals. he is a spy and by default you can never trust him.

 

Talking about Theron as a trained spy. Imagine the outcome with romanced Theron being the traitor and telling you getting close to you was a part of the job - that's actually pretty heartbreaking.

[casirabit]

Talking about Theron as a trained spy. Imagine the outcome with romanced Theron being the traitor and telling you getting close to you was a part of the job - that's actually pretty heartbreaking.

 

No in my sorceress view. That is asking for death p.

[Nefla]

Talking about Theron as a trained spy. Imagine the outcome with romanced Theron being the traitor and telling you getting close to you was a part of the job - that's actually pretty heartbreaking.

 

I think I would throw my laptop out the third story window

[Elessara]

I think I would throw my laptop out the third story window

 

I would actually probably unsub. Been subscribed since early access non-stop and that would be the straw for me.

[Nefla]

I would actually probably unsub. Been subscribed since early access non-stop and that would be the straw for me.

 

Yeah I would unsub too (subbed a few months after launch) I don't think they would actually do that though, too random, too much of a betrayal of his character.

[Shepardess]

Been playing since beta and I would def unsub too if they did that to Theron. Like you said, that would be the last straw for me.

[stoopicus]

No in my sorceress view. That is asking for death p.

 

Yup. My warrior had to stare at the "Kill Quinn" option for a good five seconds before I remembered I had taken the "forgive" option back in the class story as I was still trying to max out Light V. So I forgave him again for consistency. But it took a moment.

[Light-whip]

My bet is on the scions

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[Light-whip]

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[Nefla]

Yup. My warrior had to stare at the "Kill Quinn" option for a good five seconds before I remembered I had taken the "forgive" option back in the class story as I was still trying to max out Light V. So I forgave him again for consistency. But it took a moment.

 

You didn't choose it and then esc out before the cutscene ended?

[stoopicus]

you didn't choose it and then esc out before the cutscene ended?

 

d'oh!

[DjMeta]

Wow, this thread blew up. Seeing as I didn't really contribute, guess I will now. Spoilers ahead, read at your own risk.

 

It's not Lana or Theron. Within the KotFE and KotET storylines (and even as far back as SoR),they've been your moral compass, giving realistic reasoning for the choices you have to make. Like the devil and angel on your shoulders. Even putting that fact aside, they have no actual reason for betraying you, and those two are probably the least likely to betray you. They're the ones who started you on this journey over 5 IG years ago. If they had ANY doubt in their minds, they would have said something, or at least not followed you 100%. The ONLY way I can see it being one of them is if you consistently went against their morals, but even then, if Bioware is sticking to the "1 story for everyone", then that can't be counted. My Light V Sorc couldn't piss off Theron enough to betray, but my Dark V Agent would.

 

Moving on from them, we can immediately ignore every Alliance Alert companion. They are optional, so wouldn't make sense to include in the story. Going strictly by the Main Characters, Every MC aside from Gault and T7 can be either killed, banished, or leaves the Alliance, so they wouldn't have the information about Iokath. T7 is a droid, and doesn't count, and Gault has mainly been interested in the money, and seeing as you're giving him cover to break the law, there's no reason for him to turn on you.

 

It's possible for it to be Acina/Malcolm, but that seems a little too straightforward. It'd be easy for the writers to keep them interchangeable for plot convenience, but it seems too on the nose. Same argument goes for the Alliance Specialists.

 

The last person who's connected to the Alliance is Shae Vizla, and it'd be an interesting concept for a Mando return, but I can't see how she'd be able to get the intel needed to get all 3 sides to Iokath.

 

Shroud of Memory writes off the Shroud (Unfortunately ), which means the only person left who was mentioned by name is Jadus. Depending on player choices during the Agent storyline, he's either in custody, which he could escape from (During the Korriban Incursion, the attack of DK by Zakuul, etc), on the run, or not in the known galaxy with a hidden army. He's one of the few Darths to not have the option of being killed, and he would have the pragmatism and resources to pull this sort of thing off. Solid choice in my books.

 

I know Satele's been mentioned before, but she's a non-option, especially if playing as a Consular, since you've worked with her from the beginning.

 

The only remaining companions not yet in the story or as an Alliance Alert are

Ensign Temple (Just an imperial lackey)

Mako (Just a random BH who quits being a BH)

Iresso (Republic Lackey)

Nadia (Could be, but unlikely due to character personality)

Tharan Cedrax (Inventor)

Zenith (Revolutionary, has some potential)

Doc (Playboy doctor)

Kira (Sassy Jedi)

Scourge

Khem (Literally only in the inquis storyline, still not sure how he'd even be alive without the inquis)

Ashara (MIA, not one for mass genocide of the entire planet)

Andronikos (Just a pirate)

Jaesa (Either Crazy evil, Goody two shoes, or if you aren't a warrior, still a jedi)

Corso (Just a smuggler)

Akaavi (Just a BH)

Risha (Smuggler, has lots of underworld connections, but no motive)

Tanno Vik (VA died, so only trooper can get him from the Odessan terminal.

 

Of those options, my money's on Scourge. He's the only companion to be referenced explicitly in multiple storylines (as well as hinted upon in at least one flashpoint), has no actual allegiance to the PC, and has the biggest question of allegiance of any character in the game. He's Immortal, objectively evil, and has no allegiance to anyone (he makes it clear to the knight that he is only helping because the knight is the enemy of Scourge's enemy).

 

Zenith, Jaesa and Risha have potential, but I don't think any of them have a strong motive.

 

Anyways, that's my super in depth analysis. I know I missed a few people, like the Hutts or that weird SIS agent they mentioned, but I don't know enough about them to make an accurate assessment of them. Hope this gives people some ideas!

[casirabit]

Of those options, my money's on Scourge. He's the only companion to be referenced explicitly in multiple storylines (as well as hinted upon in at least one flashpoint), has no actual allegiance to the PC, and has the biggest question of allegiance of any character in the game. He's Immortal, objectively evil, and has no allegiance to anyone (he makes it clear to the knight that he is only helping because the knight is the enemy of Scourge's enemy). !

 

Why would anyone other than the Jedi Knight feel anything if he betrayed them. My smuggler, agent, warrior, inquisitor, trooper, bounty hunter have no knowledge of him and if he was the one that betrayed them they would not feel hurt or betrayed by him as they do not even know who he is. He is a stranger to them.

 

No for all classes to feel betrayed I will say this again it will have to be someone that has dealings with the commander and not someone that

 

(1) We could have killed (which leaves out Scorpio, Kayilo, Jordan, Koth, Acina, Malcom, Arcann Senya)

(2) We have not had dealing with

Edited April 24, 2017 by casirabit

[Celise]

Talking about Theron as a trained spy. Imagine the outcome with romanced Theron being the traitor and telling you getting close to you was a part of the job - that's actually pretty heartbreaking.

 

it's the safest way to work on someone, in a place where they can't see it coming from and if theron wanted to take you out, a knife or blaster bolt the back is the easiest and safest way.

 

It's not Lana or Theron. Within the KotFE and KotET storylines (and even as far back as SoR),they've been your moral compass, giving realistic reasoning for the choices you have to make. Like the devil and angel on your shoulders. Even putting that fact aside, they have no actual reason for betraying you, and those two are probably the least likely to betray you. They're the ones who started you on this journey over 5 IG years ago. If they had ANY doubt in their minds, they would have said something, or at least not followed you 100%. The ONLY way I can see it being one of them is if you consistently went against their morals, but even then, if Bioware is sticking to the "1 story for everyone", then that can't be counted. My Light V Sorc couldn't piss off Theron enough to betray, but my Dark V Agent would.

 

may as well repeat what i mentioned before, it's precisely why Theron and Lana are so close to you as advisors that you wouldn't see it coming if they did betray you. on the contrary it would make a great deal of sense to work in your blind zone where they can do the most damage as direct advisors.

[Anemetius]

We all know Eternal Alliance must die for story to continue so our Lana&Theron duo must end one day too.

[stoopicus]

We all know Eternal Alliance must die for story to continue so our Lana&Theron duo must end one day too.

 

It's true. Sometime between now and A New Hope, both the Eternal Alliance and the Sith Empire are toast.

[Codedrago]

It's true. Sometime between now and A New Hope, both the Eternal Alliance and the Sith Empire are toast.

 

We have centuries between then, the Eternal Alliance and Empire can easily fall long after our character has died (Makes me wonder, if the game ever got to the point of a planned ending, do you think we`d have a time skip to the era of Return of the Jedi to have modern character talk about the legacy the Alliance left behind?).

 

I do think the Alliance will fall at some point, in fact I`m predicting that the next expansion will be centered around our fall; maybe having people rebel against you.

[Nefla]

it's the safest way to work on someone, in a place where they can't see it coming from and if theron wanted to take you out, a knife or blaster bolt the back is the easiest and safest way.

 

 

 

may as well repeat what i mentioned before, it's precisely why Theron and Lana are so close to you as advisors that you wouldn't see it coming if they did betray you. on the contrary it would make a great deal of sense to work in your blind zone where they can do the most damage as direct advisors.

 

How would that make sense for their personalities though and what motivation would they have? Doing something that doesn't make sense just because it's unexpected is bad writing. I wouldn't expect Emperor Palpatine to come back in time and betray us either but that doesn't make it a good story.

[Codedrago]

How would that make sense for their personalities though and what motivation would they have? Doing something that doesn't make sense just because it's unexpected is bad writing.

 

They have two opposite way of doing things, you could very easily have either be displeased enough with you to stab you in the back.

[Eanelinea]

I don't think it's a companion at all. No Lana, Theron, old companions, new ones, sub only ones, DVL only ones, etc.

 

It COULD be a Scion. It could also be Jadus, Satele, Malgus, etc.

 

ANY npc or companion that we, at the moment, can not kill could be the traitor.

 

If it were a brand new npc/companion, well at the moment, we wouldn't feel anything about it really because we currently don't know any new npcs or companions.

 

Could be a droid. But it also could be male and they just used a screen to look like a female. Remember Hunter from Agent story?

[Shepardess]

The problem with it being malgus or jadus or whatever, is that it wouldn't be a betrayal. And they made a big deal about that part of it.

 

I could see Theron betraying a super DS character, because killing innocent people is pretty damn far from his MO. But would Lana betray a LS character? Doesn't make sense.

[DjMeta]

Why would anyone other than the Jedi Knight feel anything if he betrayed them. My smuggler, agent, warrior, inquisitor, trooper, bounty hunter have no knowledge of him and if he was the one that betrayed them they would not feel hurt or betrayed by him as they do not even know who he is. He is a stranger to them.

 

No for all classes to feel betrayed I will say this again it will have to be someone that has dealings with the commander and not someone that

 

You put too much stock in Tyth. Why is anything he says considered valid at all? He's trying to rile you so you'd make a better sacrifice. His whole thing is Rage, and the angrier the sacrifice, the better it is for him. He'd say anything to break your resolve, to piss you off, to doubt your alliance. If your PC thinks it's someone high up in the ranks, it becomes harder to trust them, and that's the first step in breaking the Alliance.

 

The only reason anyone is thinking it's a major character that feel betrayed is because Tyth says so. No one else even gives the appearance of losing hope, especially seeing as you just beat the god that is Valkorian. Anyone in the Alliance is at the top of the top, and the Republic and Empire are both free from the Eternal Empire in years, allowing them to finally have the freedom to rebuild themselves to what they were. There's not much of a reason for anyone to lose hope at this point in the story.

 

And FYI, Scourge is not a Knight exclusive character. He's mentioned indirectly by Revan in the Malestrom Prison flashpoint, and he's referenced by the Emperor's Hand in the Warrior storyline. Even ignoring those, the Knight wouldn't feel betrayed either. Scrouge doesn't like Jedi, he's only helping you because he saw you in a vision. Now that Valk is dead, he has no reason to help you anymore.

[Shepardess]

That's a good point about Tyth just trying to rile you up. But I don't see the story going forward without getting rid of the alliance. They did what they set out to do, and the fact that the devs made it clear that imps and pubs are gonna be at each other's throats again. Seems like betrayal is a good way to tear it all down.

[Nefla]

Could be a droid. But it also could be male and they just used a screen to look like a female. Remember Hunter from Agent story?

Ugh don't remind me! That whole reveal at the end smacked of "we wanted to do it a certain way and almost got away with it but we had to tack this on at the last minute because Lucasarts said nohomo."