XiamaraSimi Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Hey folks, Here is the first update on use of the stacked item sale exploit. As of this afternoon we have sent out our initial set of warnings, suspensions, and permanent bans for accounts participating in this exploit. I say initial, because it was important to action the accounts and prevent any further damage to the economy. During their suspension time we will be continuing to investigate any account involved, and taking further action based on the egregious level of the offense. These actions can include: Further suspension time, up to and including permanent banRemoval of all credits Removal of all commendations Resetting of all Influence gained with CompanionsResetting of all influence gained with Base CommandersRemoval of items purchased or gained via exploit Although you may hear that many people participated, it was rather a small group who were very egregious in their actions. In the future, I hope we see even less individuals using exploits, and simply just report them to the team. Thank you to the majority of you who reported it to us and avoided its use. I will continue to provide updates as I have them. Thanks! -eric /5 char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROGERMNF Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 people need to stop comparing things that happen in a video game to real life. it's not the same. not even close. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The arbitrary and clumsy BS behind this *delete all credits/comms/various items* action is astonishing. Saw someone lose almost 1 billion they earned from selling crafted items and a 7 day ban for a first time offence. He's going to resub when hell freezes over. On the other end of the farce scale someone else has about 2 billion stashed from exploiting but only lost 2 million as that was all the credits on the account when it was raided. That plus a 3 day ban was the penalty for a 3rd or 4th time offence. GG Delay fixing exploits for well over a month so it causes massive drama then cackhandedly stomp all over the place as you dish out random punishments. Still, you got the cartel market releases out on time. Priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UberSamoyed Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 well i suppose thats the point of "punishment". if u steal 2000$ from the store u dont just pay 2000$ to the store owner, u pay for court expenses, u serve some time or whatever as well. If it were just court costs and whatever random analogies you can come up with, then that would be fine. That would seem just. But, if someone did the exploit, bought a few event items, gained no real credit advantage (say 10k), and never attempted to turn it to the GTN, would losing almost 100 million rightfully earned credits seem fair? This is a scenario that is playing out right now. Many are losing far more. If you feel that this is just, then so be it. I do not. The bottom line is that a punishment should fit the crime. I'm not an exploiter. I grind my gear, creds, and deco's the hard way. But, this does sit well with me. Hopefully, this is just another step in the process, and a sense of justice will prevail. It will take time and effort. Let's hope they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JourrnoRush Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The arbitrary and clumsy BS behind this *delete all credits/comms/various items* action is astonishing. Saw someone lose almost 1 billion they earned from selling crafted items and a 7 day ban for a first time offence. He's going to resub when hell freezes over. On the other end of the farce scale someone else has about 2 billion stashed from exploiting but only lost 2 million as that was all the credits on the account when it was raided. That plus a 3 day ban was the penalty for a 3rd or 4th time offence. GG Delay fixing exploits for well over a month so it causes massive drama then cackhandedly stomp all over the place as you dish out random punishments. Still, you got the cartel market releases out on time. Priorities. Yeah we don't know if you are lying for effect or telling the truth. Time will tell. People are using horrible RL examples. The best one (best because I said so) is to use entertainment, since we are paying for entertainment. You buy concert tickets and you attend a concert. You decide to try to sneak by to the front row. You can get caught and thrown out, no refund, you could get caught and returned to your seat, or not caught and enjoy being front row. People got caught and thrown out, no refund. Its the venue (BW's) choice. You signed the contract when you bought the ticket and went to the concert. BW warned after the Ravager's exploit. Its not BW's fault people are turds, unaware what an exploit is, etc. People made a choice to do something that was not intended. BW chose based on their ToS to use the harshest punishment. You all signed up for it and if you never read the ToS thats on you. You agreed to it lol I hope BW keeps tracing through accounts and finding those who laundered with friends, guilds, etc. and bans those people also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaxmutal Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I know a cheater from my guild and he got a 3 day ban, lost all comms, lost all credits and learnt an important lesson: don't cheat! One irony is he did get to keep all of his SH decorations so he says every time he looks at his SH all the Rakata stuff reminds him of why his bank balance is 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX_Angel Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 People got caught and thrown out, no refund. Its the venue (BW's) choice. You signed the contract when you bought the ticket and went to the concert. Yes, but to make that example fit better... in the process of throwing you out, event security also rob you and take all the money in your wallet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeKoCZ Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 BW warned after the Ravager's exploit. Its not BW's fault people are turds, unaware what an exploit is, etc. People made a choice to do something that was not intended. BW chose based on their ToS to use the harshest punishment. You all signed up for it and if you never read the ToS thats on you. You agreed to it lol I hope BW keeps tracing through accounts and finding those who laundered with friends, guilds, etc. and bans those people also. They're are doing a terrible job at tracing stuff. Most people who bought stuff on the gtn had no idea those items were exploited and got suspended for doing nothing wrong and all their legit credits were erased. People who actually exploited lost all their credits and 72 hours of playtime, but managed to keep their stuff because apparently BW erased the gifts and the alliance crates exploited directly from the vendor(s), but they didn't erase the items (Mainly grade 5 and 6 gifts obviously) dropped from those exploited crates. What happened, is that even if they "traced" stuff and deleted all exploited items from exploiters' inventories and cargo holds, the game is doing a terrible job at recognizing the alliance crates drops as exploited items because it thinks they are legit drops obtained from legit alliance crates (Even if they weren't), which means that even if exploiters lost all their credits, with all the stuff they had stocked they have managed to get away with it and re-earn all their credits (Or at least few tenths of millions) with little effort because they still had stacks upon stacks of grade 5 and 6 companion gifts to sell, stacks upon stacks of items the game thinks they are legit. And all the items they bought with money gained from exploited stuff weren't erased either because the game still thinks the transactions were legit. Exploiters won once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxykitten Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 take look at EH server bioware pretty sure no one gets 1-2k Rank6 Follower items....at 40-50k pop...thats deff gotta be exploiting no way you can just mass up like so many so cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxykitten Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yeah we don't know if you are lying for effect or telling the truth. Time will tell. People are using horrible RL examples. The best one (best because I said so) is to use entertainment, since we are paying for entertainment. You buy concert tickets and you attend a concert. You decide to try to sneak by to the front row. You can get caught and thrown out, no refund, you could get caught and returned to your seat, or not caught and enjoy being front row. People got caught and thrown out, no refund. Its the venue (BW's) choice. You signed the contract when you bought the ticket and went to the concert. BW warned after the Ravager's exploit. Its not BW's fault people are turds, unaware what an exploit is, etc. People made a choice to do something that was not intended. BW chose based on their ToS to use the harshest punishment. You all signed up for it and if you never read the ToS thats on you. You agreed to it lol I hope BW keeps tracing through accounts and finding those who laundered with friends, guilds, etc. and bans those people also. check youtube theres couple guys there who showcased billions exploited entire cargo bays full Comp items & there untouched & admited they moved it between multiple accounts so chance of them finding it will be hard when guy uses VPN. thus he becomes untrackable! its not hard sad part is when its all over guess who suffer? the ones who didnt exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neglience Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) The arbitrary and clumsy BS behind this *delete all credits/comms/various items* action is astonishing. Saw someone lose almost 1 billion they earned from selling crafted items and a 7 day ban for a first time offence. He's going to resub when hell freezes over. On the other end of the farce scale someone else has about 2 billion stashed from exploiting but only lost 2 million as that was all the credits on the account when it was raided. That plus a 3 day ban was the penalty for a 3rd or 4th time offence. GG Delay fixing exploits for well over a month so it causes massive drama then cackhandedly stomp all over the place as you dish out random punishments. Still, you got the cartel market releases out on time. Priorities. If this person really had 1 billion credits before the exploit he is either incredibly stupid or lying. Why would someone with that much money exploit to get a couple of millions ? His goal was probably (if true) to get another billion of credits and for that, he deserves what he got. Edited December 15, 2015 by Neglience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaeozz Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yes, but to make that example fit better... in the process of throwing you out, event security also rob you and take all the money in your wallet... I didn't know Bioware could take money out of your bank account without you authorizing it???? They should teach me this magic trick so I can be rich too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sentientomega Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) take look at EH server bioware pretty sure no one gets 1-2k Rank6 Follower items....at 40-50k pop...thats deff gotta be exploiting no way you can just mass up like so many so cheap It certainly looks that way... But then, why would you buy them from the GTN? Save your credits, spend your comms at the Odessen vendor. You can pretty much travel there the instant you get a ship... Edited December 15, 2015 by sentientomega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 If this person really had 1 billion credits before the exploit he is either incredibly stupid or lying. Why would someone with that much money exploit to get a couple of millions ? His goal was probably (if true) to get another billion of credits and for that, he deserves what he got. There was no reason to think all credits would be taken off his account obviously. Money is low on the things people tried to get. Mostly they tried to max the extremely tedious companion affection to 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sxykitten Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Why would you buy them from the GTN? Save your credits, spend your comms at the Odessen vendor. You can pretty much travel there the instant you get a ship... did i say i was buying? lol gtn is pretty bugged atm half items are not where they are at i was searching another item & about x 40 10 stacks of same comp rank6 poped up with my search so i looked at the rest and behold..same person with about 200+ stacks of 10 rank6's thats enuff to say hey i'm sploiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neglience Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) There was no reason to think all credits would be taken off his account obviously. Money is low on the things people tried to get. Mostly they tried to max the extremely tedious companion affection to 50. There was a serious reason for getting a permanent ban for exploiting and with 1 billion credits he has more than enough credits to max out a lot of companions. Edited December 15, 2015 by Neglience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 There was a serious reason for getting a permanent ban for exploiting and with 1 billion credits he has more than enough credits to max out a lot of companions. You need to stop acting as if this is a discussion over the minutiae of how someone chooses to save and spend. Or whether a billion credits is an unimaginable amount for you. Not to mention you are using the word permanent out of nowhere. Read my two genuine scenarios again and try and get the point which is that the system of punishment is a farce that punishes the naive far more than repeat offenders who know how to cover up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neglience Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) You need to stop acting as if this is a discussion over the minutiae of how someone chooses to save and spend. Or whether a billion credits is an unimaginable amount for you. Not to mention you are using the word permanent out of nowhere. Read my two genuine scenarios again and try and get the point which is that the system of punishment is a farce that punishes the naive far more than repeat offenders who know how to cover up. Risking an account that has one billion credits to save a couple of millions is stupid. So if that person did exploit, he probably did use the exploit excessive and for that, he deserves the punishment. That cheating in online games can result in permanent account suspension is broad knowledge, this is not coming out of nowhere. So far both of your storys are unreliable. Edited December 15, 2015 by Neglience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makillda Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yes, but to make that example fit better... in the process of throwing you out, event security also rob you and take all the money in your wallet... Surprise, another terrible analogy. Your problem is that you can't seem to stop injecting things outside the scope of the argument to try and make a point. You go to a movie theater to watch the new Star Wars movie but it is sold out. You buy tickets to another movie with the intention of theater hopping. You stop and drop $35 on some popcorn and drinks and head off to mingle with the crowd and sneak in. You find a seat and settle in. Well, you end up getting caught and escorted out. During the encounter, you spill your drinks and drop your popcorn. On the way to the exit, the manager takes your picture and states you are barred from seeing any movies at that theater for a year. You do not get a refund for your tickets. You do not get a refund for your refreshments. You do not get to see the Deadpool movie there in February. You broke the rules and lost not only your ticket money but the money legitimately spent at the snack bar. You earned a ban from the theater. These are consequences related to the offense. They won't take your wallet. They won't impound your '98 Civic. They won't take your Bieber t-shirt. None of those things are related to your theater hopping escapade. Quit injecting hyperbole into your analogies and your argument might make sense. As they are, your flights of fancy about jackbooted thugs killing your firstborn because you dropped a Snickers wrapper on the sidewalk make you look foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalelrojin Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Its a game. Not real life. If you pay to play then you have the right to exploit. Its the dev's fault for poor coding. Again, its a game, not real life therefore real life rules do not apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neglience Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Its a game. Not real life. If you pay to play then you have the right to exploit. Its the dev's fault for poor coding. Again, its a game, not real life therefore real life rules do not apply Yea, BWs rules apply, not your: there are no rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoofa Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Its a game. Not real life. If you pay to play then you have the right to exploit. Its the dev's fault for poor coding. Again, its a game, not real life therefore real life rules do not apply Ah - the first post containing complete and utter rubbish of the day! Sure - you've got the "right" (you should maybe fully define right, as you really do't have a right for many things) and BW have the "right" to remove all your stuffs and/or remove you from the game. With actions come consequences - more consequences from exploiting than there are from making the wrong in-game decision on some companion dialogue. Edited December 15, 2015 by Stoofa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makillda Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Its a game. Not real life. If you pay to play then you have the right to exploit. Its the dev's fault for poor coding. Again, its a game, not real life therefore real life rules do not apply 0/10 Too obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quraswren Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Its a game. Not real life. If you pay to play then you have the right to exploit. Its the dev's fault for poor coding. Again, its a game, not real life therefore real life rules do not apply Sadly this seems to be what holds true. BW has done their best to down play this and that was to be expected but following the rules in SWTOR just doesn't seem to pan out when breaking the rules pays off more and apparently, if done right, BW doesn't seem to be able to track you down. Sure they got a few cuplrits but it doesn't look like they got the smarter ones. Break some BW game rules and profit. Get slapped on the wrist. Be a little cleaver about it and get to keep your spoils. The BW rules don't really mean jack at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TarkaBear Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Its a game. Not real life. If you pay to play then you have the right to exploit. Its the dev's fault for poor coding. Again, its a game, not real life therefore real life rules do not apply So how long was your ban for? I find the strongest voices for 'don't do anything to exploiters' seems to come from..... *drumroll* the exploiters themselves. I knew of the exploit. I did NOT use it. Those who did, deserve whatever fate they get. (it's a gamble, you made off with your loot, congrats, you got burnt for it, suck it up cupcake.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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