TUXs Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 But according to you, they should have just ignored it. No sadly management of a MMO does not work that way so in the end I believe that you condone cheating where's i do not. Oh please lol - they've ignored plenty in the past, how do you explain that with your above statement? Bioware has a history of "just ignoring" them...multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateerArris Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Fully support TS and cancel my subscription. As pvp player (Manhunter and 3 characters - operative, mercenary and maradeur with 90+ valor all) I tired playing with lolo faceroll pt's/vanguards and sin/shadows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Except it's not "illogical." It's the only efficient choice (of bad choices). In short, you have to decide to overpunish or underpunish because it's not realistic to perfectly tease out the issue and calibrate an appropriate, case-specific punishment for each and every case. Until someone articulates a more efficient means that still stomps out ALL the bad actors, I think "overpunishment" makes sense in this case. Oh bull. Bioware flat out ignored it. If it was such a big "exploit", they could have acted within minutes and issued a temporary fix. You seem to think it was a big deal, I tend to think it was less than a big deal to them, but it spread far too wide for them to just "fix it" and not mention something...they got caught being negligent and were forced to issue punishment for things they didn't even concern themselves with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joonbeams Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Oh bull. Bioware flat out ignored it. If it was such a big "exploit", they could have acted within minutes and issued a temporary fix. You seem to think it was a big deal, I tend to think it was less than a big deal to them, but it spread far too wide for them to just "fix it" and not mention something...they got caught being negligent and were forced to issue punishment for things they didn't even concern themselves with. These are interesting points, but have nothing to do with the issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainot-keel Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Good grief... you cheated, you exploited and now you're preaching ethics or something like that. Give me a break. You got away with it with a slap in a wrist. You say it should have been the other wrist, but hey... still an awsome deal, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nirlem Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) About cheaters and games mechanic: 1) When we come in new Patch 3.0 we close new OPS fast, but haven't loot from bosses - it's normal to bioware 2) From 3.0 to 3.1 in OPS to 16 players all time drop 1 complect of items - it's normal to bioware 3) In new OPS and FP all bosses have bugged mechanic - it's normal to bioware 4) Bioware know about exploit in Ravagers from test servers, but not fix it - it's normal to bioware But when you dc with error 9000 (thanks bioware again) on last boss of ravagers and logged again you immidiately come in cheats team, because you use exploit, but you only log in and collect your comm from boss - it's innormal to Bioware So problem in player or Bioware? Edited February 17, 2015 by nirlem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swatru Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidelicatessen Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hitler cheated. See where it got him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoverNoFighter Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Can someone give me the TL;DR please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XiamaraSimi Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Can someone give me the TL;DR please? Several "Im leetsauce" paragraphs followed by complaints about how he got punished for using the ravager exploit. Edited February 18, 2015 by XiamaraSimi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Agreed Max. It's not that I advocate the cheating, it's that [...]. You advocate getting away with it because it's all big, bad BWEA's fault. Gotcha. TOR must be your first and only MMO. Edited February 18, 2015 by branmakmuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesixxpack Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 You advocate getting away with it because it's all big, bad BWEA's fault. Gotcha. TOR must be your first and only MMO. You like to use your imagination then pretend it's actually a gotcha moment. Gotcha. This must be your first and only internetz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 You like to use your imagination then pretend it's actually a gotcha moment. Gotcha. This must be your first and only internetz. This must be your first and only exposure to humor. Gotdha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 You advocate getting away with it because it's all big, bad BWEA's fault. Gotcha. TOR must be your first and only MMO. Where have I said that exactly? I haven't. GOTCHA! I do, however, believe that a punishment must fit the 'crime'. Players partaking in the exploit had very little impact on the game and their 'crime' was worthy of no more than a warning, which most got...and obviously Bioware agrees with me or they'd have taken the servers down that Wednesday when Eric posted about it rather than waiting a full week, and the punishments would have been more severe than they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SelinaH Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hitler cheated. See where it got him? It took 9 pages to reach Godwin Status? Posters are slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlon_Nabarlly Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Is it just me that finds it ironic that a guy with the handle moralist is butt hurt about getting caught cheating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlon_Nabarlly Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 It took 9 pages to reach Godwin Status? Posters are slipping. ROFL this made my day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 What I really want to know is why his conclusion is just as long as the rest of his post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suromir Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Can someone give me the TL;DR please? Guy goes on about how "leet" he is. Then talks about getting things taken away from him as per exploiting ravagers. Admits to it. Then complains that ONE of those things taken away was a crafting recipe he supposedly got in a "legit" manner. basically OP (and many sad defenders in this thread) think the cheating was ok to do at the time. But then got (in a manner of words) "cheated" themselves by having BioWare take away a crafting recipe that was obtained without cheating (or so he says.) And now wants to whine about getting "cheated" by BioWare. See the irony and stupidity in this? I hope so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) Where have I said that exactly? I haven't. GOTCHA! I do, however, believe that a punishment must fit the 'crime'. Players partaking in the exploit had very little impact on the game and their 'crime' was worthy of no more than a warning, which most got...and obviously Bioware agrees with me or they'd have taken the servers down that Wednesday when Eric posted about it rather than waiting a full week, and the punishments would have been more severe than they were. Again, the implication "If you can get away with it, it's all good. Because I, TUXs, have decided this exploit is not really that big a deal." As others have stated, cheating is cheating, especially when it comes to something as trivial as a computer game. If a player can't even control himself in a game, if he "runs amok" simply because he thinks he can get away with it and then can cry "Hey, it's not that big a deal!" after getting caught, he doesn't really deserve to play that game. Everyone who got caught is sorry, sorry they got caught. I say again, this must be your first and only MMO. Edited February 18, 2015 by branmakmuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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