SWTOR is a top notch game!

[theSCARAYone]

I <3 op.

[Koyaanisqat]

I believe there is a bridge missing its troll, and a village desperately looking for its idiot. I suggest you head home before they get worried any further.

 

Oooh, an ad hominem response to fact. Now I can totally take you seriously.

[Eillack]

Wonder if anyone has read the actually OP yet?

 

made me laugh hard OP

[Lung_Tien_Lien]

Brilliant, thanks for the laugh.

[demonolithic]

Post I actually felt worthy enough to log in for to post on.

[fitetheforce]

The original post represents all that is Bioware. They're totally not money-grubbing, lazy and focused entirely too much on **** "content" in the form of the Cartel Network while letting dozens and dozens of bugs and glitches run rampant through their completely, 100% original game.

[ticklefist]

Logged in to be part of the glory.

[Blackholeskipper]

A fun read . And come on guys, enjoying the game doesn't mean you can't offer some criticism. The OP makes valid points. Edited March 14, 2013 by Blackholeskipper

[tekhiun]

Post of the year.

[Alec_Fortescue]

Wonder if anyone has read the actually OP yet?

 

made me laugh hard OP

 

Ikr? It's a rather creative post!

[grombrinda]

Hehehe still some good points made.

[Eyesmindassassin]

This may well be the greatest post ever made on these forums. Ever. No, seriously. I'm disheartened and depressed by the rabid fanboys in this thread. It really is sad and makes me question my subscription when people can follow so blindly and be satisfied with such an underwhelming product as what we are presented. Star Wars: The Old Republic and it's community of white knights might honestly be the worst creation of all time. It is quite the bleak reflection on humanity as a whole and to be frank makes me not even want to live on this planet anymore.

[LukeSaberRattler]

Yes because everyone it the world likes the same things it is a proven fact that is why there is only one kind of cereal in the world. Some people really enjoy the game mechanics in SWTOR. Some really like the look of the armor and the social interactions. Some people like all of that stuff and some don't. Doesn't make any of it right for everyone. I for one enjoy the game and will continue to pay a sub until such a time as I don't simple as that.

[Belacose]

In spite of disagreeing with a good portion of your thoughts, I got a good laugh out of your sarcastic post, OP.

[Mowermanx]

This may well be the greatest post ever made on these forums. Ever. No, seriously. I'm disheartened and depressed by the rabid fanboys in this thread. It really is sad and makes me question my subscription when people can follow so blindly and be satisfied with such an underwhelming product as what we are presented. Star Wars: The Old Republic and it's community of white knights might honestly be the worst creation of all time. It is quite the bleak reflection on humanity as a whole and to be frank makes me not even want to live on this planet anymore.

 

And yet, here you are.

[Sukrull]

Can't tell if serious..Or trolling..

[Koyaanisqat]

This may well be the greatest post ever made on these forums. Ever. No, seriously. I'm disheartened and depressed by the rabid fanboys in this thread. It really is sad and makes me question my subscription when people can follow so blindly and be satisfied with such an underwhelming product as what we are presented. Star Wars: The Old Republic and it's community of white knights might honestly be the worst creation of all time. It is quite the bleak reflection on humanity as a whole and to be frank makes me not even want to live on this planet anymore.

 

Confirmation Bias is a beautiful thing, isn't it?

[TheIrage]

Thumbs up. Fun read.

[MandraMoody]

Rated thread excellent, bravo OP!!

[Blackholeskipper]

Can't tell if serious..Or trolling..

Oh come on, it's called satire. What's so hard to get?

[Koyaanisqat]

Oh come on, it's called satire. What's so hard to get?

 

It's sarcasm, not satire.

[Draekos]

Nice summation of the past years whine's. Some valid and some meh, but decent style.

 

3/10

Edited March 15, 2013 by Draekos

[Allronix]

 

- You don't need macros. But if you really want them, you can buy the officially licensed Star Wars - The Old Republic keyboard for the small fee of 250$.

 

I can easily see why the toolkit is limited. With so much trouble with hacks and exploits in Warzones, it makes good business sense to limit the abuse opportunities until you can get it under control. No, this "keyboard" doesn't exist, but the key binding options are pretty flexible.

 

- Who needs guild management tools? The weak and pathetic, that's who. Your guild should be strong enough to maintain a 3rd party website that covers the severe lack of in game options.

 

I'll admit. guild features need work. Lots of work. As it stands, all we get in-game is green chat text. Most guilds already maintain 3rd party websites and/or Teamspeak/Vent channels. However, some expansion in-game like calendars and something other than one-way only communication with our FtP membership would be appreciated.

 

- We don't need cross realm LFG, and we didn't need a more robust LFG. Until we actially did. The tool we had in game was perfectly acceptable, you were all just too lazy to use it. So what if half of the 25 people on your fleet still have you on ignore from months of spamming "LFG 1 MORE BT!" I mean you shouldn't want to play with those people anyway.

 

Honestly, I'm not sure how feasible this is without knowing more about their server setup. It appears as though each server is its own discrete world (probably for safety/stability reasons so that one server crashing will not bring the whole game down with it), and even with the current setup and server merges, they're having trouble keeping the traffic on the servers balanced so we don't end up with 2000 on one server and 20 on the next. Kinda inconvienent from a player POV, but makes a lot of sense from an IT perspective.

 

- Day night cycle? More like menstrual cycle. Grow up, babies.

- Chairs? You have 3 on your ship. Two more then you need.

- Chat bubbles? Yea, dumb.

 

Chat bubbles would ruin the cinematics for me. It's fine in a cartoony game like WoW, but would just ruin immersion for me on this game. What they seem to be aiming for is a cinematic, sci-fi realist look. A bunch of chat bubbles over everyone's head would just look silly.

 

Day/Night cycles? Well, I'm not sure what it would bring to the game unless some quests were added like a monster only attacking at night, or only being able to fetch an item during daylight hours. And I'm not sure what being able to sit down in a chair brings to the game, either. Chairs appear to be more relevant to games like Sims where you sim gets a higher comfort score and the ability to boost social scores by chatting over dinner. I guess I'm not seeing why they're so important to a game like this.

 

Mind you, I do miss a good game of Pazaak or an opportunity for swoop racing. However, I keep hearing legal reasons are throwing spanners in the works there.

 

The Hero engine? its exactly that. Heroic. It does not lag when you open your inventory, it does not lag when you have more then 4 people around, and it sure as hell doesn't lag on fleet.

 

The lag is harder to diagnose and fix because there are WAY too many vaiables involved. What's your Internet connection method? Wifi, as convienent as it is, it horrible about lags and dropped connections because anything from brick walls to refridgerator magents, to rainy weather can foul it up. Ditto with WLAN connections like cellular modems. Is there anything that might be slowing your system down like a browser memory leak? (I've had what I thought was SWTOR lag turn out to be Firefox choking on a script in the background).

 

Even after all of that? There are some lag issues when the Fleet and/or starting planets have high traffic, but it's improved from 6 months ago.

 

How can people say they are bored? There are so many class stories to do. Roll an alt! This is a story based MMO people. And no, the class stories don't "only make up like 10% percent of each planets quests." That is a complete and boldface lie. Its much more then 10%. Much more. I mean, 25% is a lot. Wait, you rolled alts? And you are still bored? Well, I guess you're just burnt out then. Your fault.

 

A year in to playing, and I still have not seen/done everything with my Consular. And I play her almost nightly. I recently rolled my first alt (Bounty Hunter) and got her to level 19. The dirty trick is to do a little of everything. Take all the quests, go hunting for codex easter eggs, make friends and go on flashpoints and ops. Do the space battles and dabble in warzones. Seek out lower-leveled players and teach them. Volunteer to help others with class quests. I'm a Consular and have seen at least 70% of the Jedi Knights' quest line (including getting to kill the emperor twice) and about 50% of the Smuggler's just because I'll volunteer to help anyone in the area.

 

You could be PvPing! What, you don't like getting rolled by premades? Grow up! Losing for 2-4 hours at a time before you can get the daily done just builds character and is in no way frustrating. Its fun!

 

Totally, TOTALLY agree with you there. There are a couple of guilds on Bergen that do nothing but PvP and eat ramen, and while I suppose it's great fun for them to steamroll every damn warzone their premades show up in (with even their new 50's in Elite War Hero from the Guild Bank), those who would like to try warzones or view them as a side dish are completely discouraged from even bothering. They show up in Recruit gear and spend 4 hours as an easy target, then they give up and go to PvE, leaving fewer who want to even bother, and no new blood. Just the same old derpsmashers every time.

 

A more refined matchmaking system and better tiers for PvP would go a long way. The Level 10-49 is pretty fun, as there isn't the Expertise stat weighing in, and the stat boost puts folks on a somewhat level field. But when it gets to L50? Send recruits versus recruits, send Elite WH against other elites. Make the elites work for their victories and give recruits a chance to be something other than easy targets. Maybe even a audio-chat plugin for teams to coordinate.

 

And don't even think about giving me any sass about rated Warzones taking forever to come out. It was not a bait and switch. It was Bioware taking a stand and saying "we'll release it when its finished"

 

No such thing as bug free software, and I'd image those warzones really do need a lot of work to develop. EA slashing half their staff didn't help.

 

Why aren't you PvEing? No cross realm LFG? Who needs it, Not me. I can log into the game any time outside of prime-time and get groups instantly. You are lying. Why complain about the bugs? The game is new guys, seriously, its only been out for 9 months and its not like the buggy content was reported in the beta. Couldn't have been, because Bioware takes our opinions very seriously. And further, all the recently released content was completely bug free. When is the last time a patch actually broke something? Never, that's when.

 

See above. No such thing as bug-free software, and WoW still has bugs from beta. You will never get a bug-free experience, as a player will always do things the devs never intended (in my case, it's getting stuck in places they never intended sprites to go). And they were pretty fast on the ball when they realized their "fix" of the damaged equipment repair was causing a ridiculous spike in prices that ate up more than the quest rewards. Patch came out the next day for it.

 

Open world PvP is the best I've ever seen. Seriously, Ilum was not a complete, utter and total failure

 

Dear Force, what a fiasco. I'm sure the Free-for-all idea was meant to address issues like Imperials outnumbering Republic (or vice versa) on a server, but in play? It was terrible. I like warzones not because you kill other players, but for the team play, the work to achieve and hold a goal, the coordination and strategy involved. The open world PvP had none of that. No reward for killing other players, no goals for a team to gain and hold, no coordination. In fact, PvP activity in that area was counterproductive. If anything, fighting other players just slowed you down and wasted time better spent on nabbing orbs or fighting droids. PvE players had to cross your fingers and go down there to complete quests unless they were okay with a 30% penalty in reputation and equipment, and much higher difficulty for the heroic. So after realizing that PvP in that area was a sucker's game, it was pretty cool to see orderly lines and cross-faction cooperation so that everyone could get what they wanted.

 

The gear design is top notch. Top. Notch. No, the orange gear was not a complete waste of time and is a much better alternative to having an actual appearance tab. Your consular does not look like a mummer. And grow up anyway, its not like you cant rip out the mods and put them in something you like. It wont cost over a half mil credits and its not like credits are had to make with the vibrant economy we have.

 

Credits are not that hard to make, but the upgrading your gear costs are crazy (seriously? 15K to upgrade a single damn armoring piece?), and many of the costumes are awful, especially for Consulars. War Hero gear for my Consular is a ridiculous toga topped with a Viking helmet. Hooded robes cause massive clipping issues with Miraluka masks. I was able to luck out and find a combination of items (Life Day chest piece, War Hero leggings/globves/boots/bracers) that makes my character look like she has a semsible red jumpsuit, but poor Nadia looks like she raided Queen Amidala's garage sale.

 

The talents and skills? New and never before seen. In fact, WoW went so far as to completely rip off Bioware and steal all of their skills and class abilities. I mean just look at this evidence!

 

Fighter-Mage-Thief (or Tank-Heal-DPS) is pretty much a given in CRPGs, and the tabletops they descended from. What is good is the skill tree that allows a DPS/Balance/Tank or DPS/Balance/Heal, with the means to respec if you foul up.

 

Crafting is revolutionary. You just click and go. All of the stuff you create is useful and is completely worth the time and effort. its not like REing takes more then 2-3 tries anyway.

 

The crafting does need a lot more love, especially at Level 50, where it suddenly becomes useless after being REALLY handy on levels 7-49.

 

The worlds are just so vibrant and alive. I am free to explore everywhere (except for exhaustion zones, but like why would you go there anyway unless you were some kind of land hungry communist)

 

Again, necessary weasel and better than the impassible waist-high fence. The bigger a world, the longer it's going to take to build and load. Alderaan and Voss are great examples. Big and beauiful, with truckloads of pure sceney p*rn, but you might as well go get a beer or hit the bathroom while waiting for them to load.

 

Oh, and a Communist wants the land to be shared with all workers - just FYI.

 

And Legacy! Oh em gee, legacy is the best. There is so much grade A stuff in there, and the best part is its completely reasonably priced. Its not a stupid, overdeveloped and useless feature that slowed down important things like server mergers/transfers. We NEED to be able to make a chart that links our characters into relationships that have zero effect on the actual gameplay.

 

I disagree. I really dig Legacy as a form of reward. Your first toon did a lot of grinding, so why not have a feature that makes it so you can avoid some of the tedious garbage on your second and third toons? Plus, a subscriber like me gets a monthly allotment of Cartel coins, so why not spend them on something that's actually useful?

 

I already specified why server transfers, while a lot of people want them, would be a nightmare from a back-end point of view.

 

F2P? More like, Awesome to even more awesome. Best thing that ever happened in the gaming community ever. What do you mean they won't be able to release content at a faster pace? They said it guys. EA said it. It must be true.

 

FtP does not make the company money, so it doesn't contribute to tyhe development of new material, but it does spark interest in the game. Like the aggressive drug dealer from a bad 80's show, the first hit is free. As it stands, I have a few complaints about it, but I appreciate the fact that people can now try the game for free. If they want the full benefit, they're going to have to contribute and defray the cost of new material. Programmers, designers, concept artists, beta testers, and writers do not and should not work for free.

 

Cartel Market? P2W? More like pay to whine. Thats all I hear: whine whine whine. Its not like they're actually selling

items or points that you can buy that can put you at an advantage. Also most of the items are uninspired, dull and ugly and shouldnt never be used as actual quest rewards

 

Not all that impressed with the stuff on the market, but sometimes you find something cool. And it does not give you THAT much of an advantage. Even the XP boosts are only good for an hour, and I've actually had those little things show up as quest rewards after the 1.5 patch.

 

So seriously, this game is great and if you don't like it you are probably a baby killer or some entitled two year old who doesn't understand that this game was developed with few resources on a shoestring budget and yet still manages to revolutionize the genre. You are all too entitled, too impatient, and too shortsighted to see that this game is better then everything else and does not get outclassed by anything older, let alone anything new like TERA or GW2.

 

Your mileage may vary. I have no real interest in other MMOs because none of the ones I see have the degree of lore, story, voice acting, and making sure the quests fit into context that this one does. I have two characters, and I'm still finding new and cool things to do with my L50 main. My main complaint with the game is that there is little to do story-wise at the moment after the class quest and unlocking all of your companion conversations (which is why I'm being very careful to ration companion affection and going through the stoyline as slowly as possible). I'm also aware of the realities of the industry that explain why something that would be really cool just isn't feasible. This game, like others of its kind, is a continual work in progress. There will be growing pains and mistakes and bugs. Those are as inevitable as the sunrise. However, I am seeing the improvements made in the patches and updates, and Makeb is a big step in the right direction.

Edited March 15, 2013 by Allronix

[mithrelkhaar]

This is quite simply the best game ever created. if you don't like it, its YOUR fault. his game has everything one would expect in a 2012 MMO release. It has all the bells and whistles (and why wouldn't it, the devs specifically said it would) that other MMO's have.

 

- You don't need macros. But if you really want them, you can buy the officially licensed Star Wars - The Old Republic keyboard for the small fee of 250$.

- Who needs guild management tools? The weak and pathetic, that's who. Your guild should be strong enough to maintain a 3rd party website that covers the severe lack of in game options.

- We don't need cross realm LFG, and we didn't need a more robust LFG. Until we actially did. The tool we had in game was perfectly acceptable, you were all just too lazy to use it. So what if half of the 25 people on your fleet still have you on ignore from months of spamming "LFG 1 MORE BT!" I mean you shouldn't want to play with those people anyway.

- Day night cycle? More like menstrual cycle. Grow up, babies.

- Chairs? You have 3 on your ship. Two more then you need.

- Chat bubbles? Yea, dumb.

- Any other feature that MMO's dating back to UO and EQ had? Useless. You want those games, go play those games. We already have too many people on the servers as is. I mean, we are 500-1k million strong. EA said so, and they've always been a strong pillar of honesty and integrity in the gaming genre.

 

The Hero engine? its exactly that. Heroic. It does not lag when you open your inventory, it does not lag when you have more then 4 people around, and it sure as hell doesn't lag on fleet. All of these problems are made up by a small subset of the community that has no idea what they are talking about and or wants to see this game fail because they are haters. It does not have optimization problems, it is just your 2500$ computer that has the problem. My Pentium 4 1 gig on-board graphics windows 95 machine computer gets 90 FPS everywhere.

 

How can people say they are bored? There are so many class stories to do. Roll an alt! This is a story based MMO people. And no, the class stories don't "only make up like 10% percent of each planets quests." That is a complete and boldface lie. Its much more then 10%. Much more. I mean, 25% is a lot. Wait, you rolled alts? And you are still bored? Well, I guess you're just burnt out then. Your fault.

 

You could be PvPing! What, you don't like getting rolled by premades? Grow up! Losing for 2-4 hours at a time before you can get the daily done just builds character and is in no way frustrating. Its fun! And don't even think about giving me any sass about rated Warzones taking forever to come out. It was not a bait and switch. It was Bioware taking a stand and saying "we'll release it when its finished" Because we all know Bioware doesn't release things that are buggy and broken or premature. They have a great track record in this regard. I mean really, you need to get to work grinding that War-Hero gear - its gonna take a while. Like, months.

 

Why aren't you PvEing? No cross realm LFG? Who needs it, Not me. I can log into the game any time outside of prime-time and get groups instantly. You are lying. Why complain about the bugs? The game is new guys, seriously, its only been out for 9 months and its not like the buggy content was reported in the beta. Couldn't have been, because Bioware takes our opinions very seriously. And further, all the recently released content was completely bug free. When is the last time a patch actually broke something? Never, that's when.

 

Open world PvP is the best I've ever seen. Seriously, Ilum was not a complete, utter and total failure. The best PvP team in the world worked on it. And why, just the other day there was world PvP on Tat during the Rakghoul event. It was crazy! I saw 10 or 20 people. Great times! You want open world PvP you should schedule with another guild on the server, get off your lazy entitled asses.

The gear design is top notch. Top. Notch. No, the orange gear was not a complete waste of time and is a much better alternative to having an actual appearance tab. Your consular does not look like a mummer. And grow up anyway, its not like you cant rip out the mods and put them in something you like. It wont cost over a half mil credits and its not like credits are had to make with the vibrant economy we have.

 

The talents and skills? New and never before seen. In fact, WoW went so far as to completely rip off Bioware and steal all of their skills and class abilities. I mean just look at this evidence!

 

Priest vs Sage - http://www.iron.fjmaps.com/pictures/ToRtanic/Tor%20vs%20WoW%20Priest.png

Warrior vs Warrior - http://i.imgur.com/UmcMV.jpg

I smell a lawsuit.

 

Crafting is revolutionary. You just click and go. All of the stuff you create is useful and is completely worth the time and effort. its not like REing takes more then 2-3 tries anyway. I got every schematic in game first try for every profession across all my toons, you just aren't trying hard enough. And yes, I know Biochem needs a little love. They will fix it. In Bioware I trust. You just have to be patient.

 

The worlds are just so vibrant and alive. I am free to explore everywhere (except for exhaustion zones, but like why would you go there anyway unless you were some kind of land hungry communist) and the mob AI is top notch. No, some planets aren't claustrophobic and linear in their design, you are just unimaginative and simple minded. I mean come on people. Mob AI is amazing. They sometimes have a guy patrolling! And that group of guys standing 10 feet away starting off into space? Trust me, they are plotting your demise.

 

And Legacy! Oh em gee, legacy is the best. There is so much grade A stuff in there, and the best part is its completely reasonably priced. Its not a stupid, overdeveloped and useless feature that slowed down important things like server mergers/transfers. We NEED to be able to make a chart that links our characters into relationships that have zero effect on the actual gameplay.

 

A real Combat log? What for? What we have is better. Its not annoying to try and parse your damage, and it does not make you jump through hoops to use it properly. No one can make anyone feel bad about how they play. Its anti bulling for the 21st century. You know, since none of us are grown up enough yet to admit me might not be good at an online video game.

 

F2P? More like, Awesome to even more awesome. Best thing that ever happened in the gaming community ever. What do you mean they won't be able to release content at a faster pace? They said it guys. EA said it. It must be true.

 

Cartel Market? P2W? More like pay to whine. Thats all I hear: whine whine whine. Its not like they're actually selling

items or points that you can buy that can put you at an advantage. Also most of the items are uninspired, dull and ugly and shouldnt never be used as actual quest rewards

 

So seriously, this game is great and if you don't like it you are probably a baby killer or some entitled two year old who doesn't understand that this game was developed with few resources on a shoestring budget and yet still manages to revolutionize the genre. You are all too entitled, too impatient, and too shortsighted to see that this game is better then everything else and does not get outclassed by anything older, let alone anything new like TERA or GW2.

 

-Frostvein

 

WoW(go back there)

 

Obvious wall of troll text is obvious

 

why do people even bother doing this?

[dorpen]

WoW(go back there)

 

Obvious wall of troll text is obvious

 

why do people even bother doing this?

 

 

 

 

 

If hes such a troll, why are you giving him attention?