Thumbs up. Fun read.

I just un-subbed today so: 1. Finished class stories( minus chapter 3 smuggler) , Ops and WZ... Doing daily's bores me... daily's + rep grinding bores me ^2. 2. Game bugs/performance continued play erosion. Character responsiveness ( abilities misfiring) and lag spikes the most prominent. 3. CM. I have been gauging how far you take the CM experiment. This last patch crossed the line for me... specially the part about "thanking customers". Best of luck

The amount of money invested on making the game. Here, i found an old link that cites that number at about $ 200M (quick google though) http://herocomplex.latimes.com/games/star-wars-the-old-republic-the-story-behind-a-galactic-gamble/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=63378#/0

You don't have to. That is not the point. The point was questioning where/how he/she was factually quoting those numbers. I agree with your second sentence as far as say operating income. But I ask you, and it is your opinion, do you think they have payed off their investment?

As a parting customer or Star Wars: The Old republic, I do not approve of the implementation of a reputation system based exclusively on money expenditure.

My text implied I have not seen a strem of.... since TOR went F2P. We had one event since and 2 before? again, aside from what is added onto the CM... nope. So you know for sure we have 700k subs? and you are sure that the 500K subs do not include paying off investments?

You are far reaching thinking that "new non-CM content is paid for with CM cash". There are still subscriptions and that is no drop in a bucket. And RoTHC isn't free either. But really, how much of that money is coming back to to non-CM game? Do you see a substantial amount of content added post CM? Do you see improved CS ? Do you see game engine improvements? Most of what we have seen so far are re-investments into the CM. Still growing the business if you will. And that is fine. That and paying off the investment ( I was under the impression this game was very expensive to make). I feel there is little to no sign of a measurable impact of CM profits on non-CM content. that is a statement from now to the state where RoTHC is at. Other than that, we shall see... So yea, I am not thankful. What I am is bored. Bored of doing daily's. Bored and amused that I am finding arguing with a complete stranger about an insignificant topic more entertaining than ... logging in to do daily's.

Personally, I don't really care for titles or uniqueness. I don't value being one of the few who has an X item or X title. I respect those who do and yes, you have a valid point. However, I would have any event repeat as opposed to getting more/doing more of the same daily's. I'll take rakghouls anyday over a black hole reputation grind ( like voss, space or section X) . If it means new content for many who were not part of the first event, It is good for the game.

I made a post on the other thread and I thought I would repeat more-less what I said there. In essence, I don't think it is profit viable for EA/BW to introduce custom dyes/ coloring kits as consumables. They are enjoying ( and would want to continue to) a good revenue stream from doing the recoloring themselves. Introducing the ability to let us do that would be shooting themselves on the foot. Yes, it could be argued that introducing these system at the cartel market level would be a win-win. I think though the price for such consumable would have to be very high to even match ( let alone offset) what they can do currently by recoloring. Consider also that the cost of pulling mods, augments, and adding augmentation kits is a substantial "credit sink" in endgame. As a player, I would be fine if those credits were reduced to zero. But for EA/BW, that equates to a potential 50 - 80K (low end estimate, assuming augments) of someones game time. And there is inflation of course as well as the impact to crew skills( who really have taken a beating from the cartel market already). There is a balance to attain there and both us players and bio-ware benefit from having a healthy economy . So, for the customization kits to exist, they would have to cost us 1. A high amount of CC to offset the recoloring profits BW could make PLUS 2. An 80K or so credits fee when recoloring to balance the game "sink" economy.

Unfortunately, as much as I would like to see color dyes available in-game, I don't think it is ever going to happen. The simple reason is EA/Bioware is already marketing recolored items quite successfully and extensively through the cartel market. To provide us with the ability to change colors via consumables would go against their bottom line. Now, you could argue they could sell dyes/customization kits through the cartel market but, I just don't think they could net nowhere near the revenue they get from a recolored set vs. a dye. Simply, by making say X number of colors available they loose the opportunity of selling you X * Y recolored items ( Y being the number of outfit items). The only thing I see working would be to make the dyes/customization kits fairly expensive $ ( X colors ) > $ (X*Y) items ! either by direct sale using cartel coins or very low drop chance on packs) so that it would not eclipse sales of BW/EA recolored items. Hope I am wrong though

I am not sure If I am way off ( If so I apologize) but could it have to do with currents server population? I know every time I log in, every US server is running at near full capacity. I imagine that if they implement character transfers there is a risk of overwhelming some servers. If this was the case though, I would think BW could implement a system that caps server capacity and allows only near 1:1 transfers... but it could be messy.

Thank you for your response. I am glad you decided to revise the changes in a timely fashion. I have to warn you however about your generous offer of reducing the cost by 50% from now until the release of the next expansion. As thankful as I am, depending on when the next expansion hits, it may backfire on you. Relatively thinking, we will see the repair cost increase by 2X. Now, overall the case can be made the total cost would be affordable, but the increase may be enough to set up alarms. May I suggest if possible to adapt this offering in a different scheme? Specifically, something that does not involve a drastic change in a negative direction in a 3 month + future. Perhaps a permanent change ( say 10--20%) or Free repairs for the next maintenance cycle and gradual increases every cycle there after( say 10-20%). Again though, thanks for addressing this issue.

It is not right to increase repair costs at the magnitude it affects many people. Whether it was a bug or not it is irrelevant. It is of further irrelevance since fixing this bug has no positive value towards game-play (unlike countless other bugs that should be addressed) . If you feel it affects game-play or our game economy is in a urgent state of hyperinflation... please elaborate. Furthermore, there is ample evidence that if the bug fix would have been the only alteration, repair costs would have increased in the order or 20% or so. That level of increase would have likely not caused much of a reaction. But for many, ironically including your self, repair costs have increased 2X-3X. That is unacceptable. My gripe? I am loosing raid spots because they don't want to/can not login to do dailys to pay for a nights progressions that now costs them 150K+ per repair bill. We wait for what we believed should have been a simple retroactive step from bioware. As someone said, I(we) cannot blame lost subs on repairs. in our case, it is just another drop on a full bucket and... we are at critical mass. You have a simple question for the OP, I have a simple question for you. Why do you care ? Why should you care? The price increase to repairs affects you quite a bit from I can tell. Do you do any progression at all? I can not understand how someone with a head between his/her shoulders would object to a revision to the current repair costs, especially at the magnitude you have been affected. Seriously, what is your motivation? Are you merely interested on imparting moral judgement on others about the value of spending ingame time amassing credits so you can do the things you like ( pay for with real money) ?

Some people don't understand the value of time.... period. When one is able to grasp the age old concept of "time is money" one understands that there is money to be made.... in time. Do you understand that? Do you see where that fits on the context of doing daily's for ingame currency vs. doing activities which you pay real money for to have fun? Yep Money to be made.

Good for you. I respect your dedication and in-game time spent to both max a profession and obtain all in-game currency and mats required to purchase and build all needed upgrades without making use of the Cartel Market. I also understand and respect those who value their game time differently and thus make full/partial use of the Cartel Market. There are folks out there that can make more real money from one hour of real work as opposed to 1 hr of grinding ingame currencies... usual prerogative to purchase from the cartel market... I understand that. There are folks with limited play time due to work, family etc who instead of grinding dailys would rather do OPs with friends or WZs.... I get that. Do you? And there are plenty who rather spend and few bucks because they have them and don't ever look back.. whatever... The point of all this is your choices and capacities to finance the Grade 7 upgrades are not everyone's nor is the game designed that way (hence cartel market). So yea, good job on not using the Cartel Market... but don't expect everyone to follow the same path. My point of what you had quoted ( or rather what followed what you quoted) was that Bioware knows many don't follow your path... hence, profits to be made.

I agree that the general model of the reputations introduced have some differences. I however make a clear distinction between what is possible and is not possible. On the realm of possible there are prohibitions/limitations/whateveryouwanttocallthemisms ( prohibitions is a bit off/strong but I get what you are trying to say) and that is fine. In some ways it is nice that they are different to both accommodate different play styles and and some flavor to what for many is a boring activity ( dailys). Voss, Section X and Fleet are permanent and Gree is semi-permanent/seasonal for all players. Voss and Section X can be also done entirely on a single level 50... It is possible to reach a weekly cap on this with a single 50. Not with Fleet. I get that due to schedules or time constraints some may not be able to group or put enough time to meet caps... but those are external factors to the game . If the design focused more closely with those demographics in mind, allowing to cap for a single level 50 makes (via increased rep gains for example) would make more sense as opposed to make it impossible to do so.

Yes. They (Bioware) accept an already significant advantage but don't want to create a massive disadvantage for those single character players. Space mission rep, not being weekly cap-able for those without alts, is beyond a being a massive disadvantage... it is an impossibility. So yea, what is your point again?

What you write would make sense if they would come out and say it. Instead they said this. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5857891#post5857891 They don't want people who don't have alts at a massive disadvantage. It makes sense. This rep cap puts people without alts at a massive disadvantage.

Not sure the point you are trying to make but... on your line of thought, all the reputations introduced can be weekly capped on a single character. The space missions rep cannot. i wouldn't call it "in theory" because it implies it is a lot more difficult to attain than it actually is. Gree rep is insanely easy and, if you have a guild group of like minded players, Voss is likewise cakewalk ( you can 2 man most with 2 50s for what I hear)

If you feel the person you quoted is not telling the truth, go ahead and say so. I think you are the one lying but that is my opinion. Posting against a thread that would increase the number of credits YOU keep when you repair... to me that is trolling for attention.

No. Simply No. Read this official Bioware post regarding Gray Helix. "Gray Helix Components are BoP so that players with only one character at 45+ aren't at a massive disadvantage" (Link: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5857891#post5857891). So you got multiple 50s and still don't want to do space missions on multiple 50s? I don't do space missions and even if did I probably wouldn't. Why? I am not paying for grade 7 upgrades for 2 toons. Ansalem, money talks. I suspect not being able to reach the cap with single a 50 character( as opposed to all other daily's) is motivated by cartel market sales of ship upgrades. Simple as that. Is there any other logical reason (show some evidence) that would indicate the need to have a rep cap that can only be attained via multiple characters? Lets hear it BW PR. Edit. Updated Link

I can not believe this thread still active. Higher repair costs don't help anyone that actually plays the game. It doesn't matter if your cost went up by a single credit. Each credit you loose is a credit you could have used on buying something else. Why on earth would anyone take the opposite stance. Threads like this remind me of the amount of trolling, narrow minded thinking and suspiciously biased (allegedaly non-bioware sponsored) individuals that lurk these forums.

I haven't played since beta but have always had it since I started played. It got worse with 1.4 in my case and been that way ever since. It is worse on my sentinel, BH and trooper. I wrote a post about it long ago at the costummer support forums and was asked to submit a in-game ticket which... went nowhere. Many of the replies to my post suggested ( as many here do) that this has been one of the issues not fixed since beta times. Here is a comprehensive player discussion from an older post dealing with character responsiveness I found pertaining to this topic. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=159300 I have yet to ( as well as many in my guild) find a fix that involves anything on your end. This is one you may have to live with. I don't think it is getting fixed anytime soon.

Or people who are tooooooo narrow minded to not realize that lower repair costs are good everyone actually playing the game. Folks... this is a game. You should be playing to have fun. If you have to allocate any substantial portion of your time within the game to do activities that you hate/dislike ( aka dailys for some)... you are doing it wrong. Now, there are some out there ( many in this forums) who feel the game is also an avenue for personal growth, an expression of a super-self that is helps them deal with/ignore their real self, an unequivocal expression of political and moral values as well as character markings... OMG. Get a life. This repair cost increase, as minute as it maybe for some, doesn't help anyone. Why would you come here and take any other stance.... unless you just like to troll/ argue for the sake of doing so or you are financially benefiting from making such posts in some way...

No. It is more of a penalty than a bonus. So what did bioware say was the reason for not making the Grey Helix bound to legacy? Yep, they did not want to because (quote) "Gray Helix Components are BoP so that players with only one character at 45+ aren't at a massive disadvantage" (Link: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=5857891#post5857891). So you may not call it a penalty... on bioware words it is a disadvantage. So you have multiple 50s and still don't want to use them to reach the cap? Well lets think about that... Why would someone with multiple 50s would still not want to do space missions on multiple characters ? I can do all other dailys with a minimal gear requirement ( Tionese is good enough for most PVE stuff, including Normal Xeno, and it is free) . So... Is there a gear requirement to do the space missions? I have not touched space missions in a long time because they are as boring as other dailys or worse... my opinion. Yet it is my understanding that to do the new heroic space mission most people need the latest ship upgrades which o by the way are conveniently sold in the cartel market or obtained ingame for a hefty price... see the money trail OP? Us having to gear 2+ level 50 ships in order to cap your rep means a chance that we would spend real money on ship upgrades... Money talks. OP, don't expect sympathy from these forums. Your brought a simple question and instead got a massive wave of Bioware independent PR patrol on your case.