Unperson Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I could also say what you quoted to you, what do you have that shows that premades are a problem? What evidence do you have that warrants a change in the current system. I thought it was pretty obvious. A legion of threads complaining about it that just won't die. Isn't that evidence enough that many people consider it a problem? And i know your just trolling now with Heidegger's philosophy, last time i checked that's not current. OH SNAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Like I said before, premadeing in pug queues is a crutch for bads. I point you to.. I would really like to know premades can ever win if they are always comprised of " bad players." I mean loading four out of eight of your team with bad players seems like it would always lead to losing. This is why I dislike the premade QQ threads, they are almost always built on bad logic, and fallacies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkshadz Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) I thought it was pretty obvious. A legion of threads complaining about it that just won't die. Isn't that evidence enough that many people consider it a problem? OH SNAP A legion of threads? 2 threads in the first 5 pages is a legion of threads for you? Edited September 11, 2014 by Darkshadz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Why would you revive this thread? Jesus.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I came across one premade out of all those matches, and it was a win....sooooo ya. The whining is just you being a terrible player that needs to suck it up and get better or make some damn friends and run a group yourself. Seriously though, the premade "issue" is in your head. I've posted numerous times in this very thread that the premade issue is overblown and not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Way to read, genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 And has the prophets foretold, this thread has returned to wreck vengeance on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unperson Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 A legion of threads? 2 threads in the first 5 pages is a legion of threads for you? This **** has been going on for years, and people keep opening more threads about it on top of periodically reviving what is possibly the single longest thread in this subforum. Googling "premade" site:http://www.swtor.com returns 17,000+ results. But I'm clearly imagining things! Lol internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkshadz Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) This **** has been going on for years, and people keep opening more threads about it on top of periodically reviving what is possibly the single longest thread in this subforum. Googling "premade" site:http://www.swtor.com returns 17,000+ results. But I'm clearly imagining things! Lol internet. I google swtor hacks and I get 118k results. Does that mean that SWTOR is a nest of hackers? Lol internet Edited September 11, 2014 by Darkshadz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I've posted numerous times in this very thread that the premade issue is overblown and not nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Way to read, genius. And yet here you are complaining about them. This **** has been going on for years, and people keep opening more threads about it on top of periodically reviving what is possibly the single longest thread in this subforum. Googling "premade" site:http://www.swtor.com returns 17,000+ results. But I'm clearly imagining things! Lol internet. I searched swtor pvp baddies and got 3,590,000 results! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 And yet here you are complaining about them. Just giving my opinion about bads needing a crutch, don't get so defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Just giving my opinion about bads needing a crutch, don't get so defensive. My solo queue screenshots prove otherwise. You also still haven't answered my question from earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridickilis Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Using the amount of threads/complaints doesn't really show anything. The same handful of 20-100 people can make a non issue look like something it isn't. Out of those 17,000+ hits on SWTOR, how many dev's have responded? I'll save you the trouble, it's zero. That should tell you all you need to know about their position on groups of friends queuing up together for pvp in a "multiplayer" online game in the same queue as those of us who still solo queue. And before any of you complainers start, no I haven't been in a guild since mine disbanded during the first forced server merges and I've been flying solo ever since. You may not want to hear this but sometimes the truth hurts; all these mmo type games are aimed towards people who enjoy grouping up together. BW is NICE enough to make this a solo friendly game and allow us to simply hit a button and they will make a group for me. That saves me the trouble of spamming gen chat in hopes to get a group together so I can pvp. So no, separating solo and group queue's (for regular WZ's) isn't going to happen either. Nor should it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyroman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 This **** has been going on for years, and people keep opening more threads about it on top of periodically reviving what is possibly the single longest thread in this subforum. Googling "premade" site:http://www.swtor.com returns 17,000+ results. But I'm clearly imagining things! Lol internet. I googled "bads" site:http://www.swtor.com and it came up with over 30,000 results, so according to your logic, bads are clearly a much bigger problem thatn premades and they just need to L2P. if you didn't catch my sarcasm that googling a word on a site means anything, i'm telling you now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Using the amount of threads/complaints doesn't really show anything. The same handful of 20-100 people can make a non issue look like something it isn't. Out of those 17,000+ hits on SWTOR, how many dev's have responded? I'll save you the trouble, it's zero. That should tell you all you need to know about their position on groups of friends queuing up together for pvp in a "multiplayer" online game in the same queue as those of us who still solo queue. And before any of you complainers start, no I haven't been in a guild since mine disbanded during the first forced server merges and I've been flying solo ever since. You may not want to hear this but sometimes the truth hurts; all these mmo type games are aimed towards people who enjoy grouping up together. BW is NICE enough to make this a solo friendly game and allow us to simply hit a button and they will make a group for me. That saves me the trouble of spamming gen chat in hopes to get a group together so I can pvp. So no, separating solo and group queue's (for regular WZ's) isn't going to happen either. Nor should it. This argument is far too level headed. It must be dismissed as incorrect due to a lack of crazy theories and unsupported facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) My solo queue screenshots prove otherwise. You also still haven't answered my question from earlier. I've answered it several times, not my problem you can't read. The cliff notes on everything I've posted in this thread: A) Premades to me are stacked teams that should be in ranked queues, but are instead farming in the pug queues (Sirullrich or whatever's guild is a prime example of what i'm talking about here). B) The people in Category A are bads C) Category A doesn't happen as often as some make them out to be D) Don't care about people grouping together in queues, but Category A players need to be in ranked, where they belong, not in pug queues. If they refuse to stop being bads, then BW needs to force them out of the reg queues. Now, if you're a bad as I have defined above, then grow a pair, or continue to cry in this thread, whichever you prefer. Edited September 11, 2014 by Vember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I've answered it several times, not my problem you can't read. The cliff notes on everything I've posted in this thread: A) Premades to me are stacked teams that should be in ranked queues, farming in the pug queues. B) The people in Category A are bads C) Category A doesn't happen as often as some make them out to be D) Don't care about people grouping together in queues, but Category A players need to be in ranked, where they belong, not in pug queues. If they refuse to stop being bads, then BW needs to force them out of the reg queues. Now, if you're a bad as I have defined above, then grow a pair, or continue to cry in this thread, whichever you prefer. You should probably find a different word since premade sort of has a meaning already. You also can't expect a team looking to go to ranked to immediately jump into ranked without any practice or expect them to not want to try something different outside of a ranked environment. There are always reasons why people queue where they queue, but your argument is not in line with the majority of those complaining against premades in this thread. TBH, I'm not sure why you are still arguing with people who agree that competitive premades should focus on ranked rather than regs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exly Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Why would you revive this thread? Jesus.... Why not? After all, the problem still exists, so what's wrong with continuing to ask for something to be done to fix it? Edited September 11, 2014 by Exly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyroman Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 I've answered it several times, not my problem you can't read. The cliff notes on everything I've posted in this thread: A) Premades to me are stacked teams that should be in ranked queues, but are instead farming in the pug queues (Sirullrich or whatever's guild is a prime example of what i'm talking about here). B) The people in Category A are bads C) Category A doesn't happen as often as some make them out to be D) Don't care about people grouping together in queues, but Category A players need to be in ranked, where they belong, not in pug queues. If they refuse to stop being bads, then BW needs to force them out of the reg queues. Now, if you're a bad as I have defined above, then grow a pair, or continue to cry in this thread, whichever you prefer. like jade said, premade already has a meaning, it encompasses all groups that are formed before the warzone starts, not just perfect comp, voice comm using premades. I agree with you that unless they need practice to compete with the guilds already in queue, perfect comp voice comm using premades should be in ranked, but you are not using the right word by just saying premade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Why not? After all, the problem still exists, so what's wrong with continuing to ask for something to be done to fix it? Probably because it hadn't been posted in for 4 months and necros are against the forums rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) You should probably find a different word since premade sort of has a meaning already. Fair enough. You also can't expect a team looking to go to ranked to immediately jump into ranked without any practice or expect them to not want to try something different outside of a ranked environment TBH, I'm not sure why you are still arguing with people who agree that competitive premades should focus on ranked rather than regs. I'm not.... Edited September 11, 2014 by Vember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadescythe Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Fair enough. I'm not.... Dat thread consolidation... But ya, last page you said players who want to group with friends from 10-54 should do flashpoints. Sounds like your comments are a little contradictory in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raansu Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Did that other thread just get merged? lol....Moderators must have been bored lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridickilis Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Did that other thread just get merged? lol....Moderators must have been bored lol. Or padding the mod hits for forum conquest. Each post moved counts as a hit so merging a 40+ page thread on day one of the new conquest sets him/her up nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Dat thread consolidation... But ya, last page you said players who want to group with friends from 10-54 should do flashpoints. Sounds like your comments are a little contradictory in places. hahaha was a little sarcasm for jammyjams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmajamma Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Ok, first simple tenant: Don't drive away the majority by catering to the minority. Two things will drive people away from pvp quicker than anything else: imbalanced classes, and premades in pug queues, the two biggest hot topics on every pvp forum of every mmo that's ever had instanced pvp. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Where do I sign up? Also, if you have a recommendation for the Steelers - Ravens game tonight I am all ears. I have a feeling B-more will come together despite all of this Ray Rice nonsense and cover the 2.5 at home. Thoughts? Edited September 11, 2014 by Jimmajamma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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