owenstm Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What would be better to use to start off PVPing? Using my PVE gear, buying a full set of recruit gear, or perhaps a mix between the 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cybridwarform Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What would be better to use to start off PVPing? Using my PVE gear, buying a full set of recruit gear, or perhaps a mix between the 2? the mk2 recruit gear isn't so bad. in PVE gear u will be childmolested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenstm Posted October 3, 2012 Author Share Posted October 3, 2012 But in PVE gear I have 21k health, while PVP recruit gear I have 15k... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criminalheretic Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) But in PVE gear I have 21k health, while PVP recruit gear I have 15k... Those 6k HP go down pretty quick when the person fighting you has a 19% damage buff, and you have nothing to mitigate it. Figure recruit gear is going to give you a 15% damage reduction buff, and roughly 10% damage increase. Which of course get's cancelled out by losing hundreds of points in Main Stat and END, making them about even once you do the math, until you factor in the healing buff of recruit, that gives it an edge. You know, if someone bothers to heal you in either recruit of PVE gear. Edited October 3, 2012 by criminalheretic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 PvP in the BH/campaign gear and please, please document your experience with screenshots or better yet fraps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakoHawk Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Sometimes i forget to switch gear, and i will go a whole match with my pve gear. It is much better than the old recruit, idk how it compares to mk-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthSabreth Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What would be better to use to start off PVPing? Using my PVE gear, buying a full set of recruit gear, or perhaps a mix between the 2? recruit gear = free to get. if you use pve gear you will crash and burn, i was in a match and one person on our team was in full BH gear and he spent more time rezing than in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerReaper Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Pvp gear plz -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mancer Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 What would be better to use to start off PVPing? Using my PVE gear, buying a full set of recruit gear, or perhaps a mix between the 2? If nothing else the new mk2 set has 2 BM relics. Nice start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipstik Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 i have had more ppl tell me its okay to pvp heal in my BH than ppl telling me its okay to dps in BH with my scrapper, but my scrapper just pwns in wzs with BH on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewFromPhilly Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 As much as I dislike the expertise attribute and recruit gear, it only took me about a week to go from a full set of recruit to a full set of augmented battlemaster on my characters. War Hero will take substantially longer, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry_Dallas Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Dunno about the MK2 gear, but the answers you're getting in this thread are wrong for the standard recruit gear, which greatly underperforms Campaign level gear in a warzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueNights Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I’d use a mix if you have top tier PVE gear. You definitely need a certain minimum amount of expertise, or else you’ll take damage so fast that its impossible to heal through. For Wrists, Belt use pve until you can afford to swap the mods to pvp mods, they are already the most optimal pieces for pvp. For Earpiece, Implants, Offhand, I’d use PVE until you can afford wh down the line, this works out especially well if your pve piece is optimal stat heavy (most often power). I’d say many many people use black-hole for these slots(as opposed to battlemaster) while saving up for wh. For everything else you probably want to stick w/ pvp gear and get up to battlemaster asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkkChaos Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 (edited) Samething can be said for people who PvE in PvP gear - really wish people would stop trying to PvE in PvP gear....such a joke! Edited October 3, 2012 by DarkkChaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paratroopc Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 The only pve gear I would use would be your weapon and perhaps your offhand for the higher base damage. Everything else Mk2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimsPicken Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 Samething can be said for people who PvE in PvP gear - really wish people would stop trying to PvE in PvP gear....such a joke! Yeah, but scripted mobs dont take advantage of you like players do. player skill of pvp players more than makes up for some wasted stats in expertise, ill take a full auged WH in pve (anything but nightmare mode) over a full campaign PVE'r in pvp anyday. My only concern in pve is keeping crumbs out of my keyboard while i eat my sandwich with one hand and press 12345 with the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasted_Coconuts Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 My only concern in pve is keeping crumbs out of my keyboard while i eat my sandwich with one hand and press 12345 with the other. LOL, I just pictured Cartman yelling to his mom, "MORE HOT POCKETS!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhaker Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I'll simply state this: as a healer if you dont have either: 800 Expertise OR not AND, but OR 17k health then I cant heal you when you get 2 shotted. I have had guildies in full campaign/dread armor gear and they hit pretty hard and easy to heal when under pressure. What I find interesting is the fact people think you need PvP gear to PvP, but thats not always the case. The only thing I would suggest someone in Campaign Gear should maybe get the PVP relics. They would be a good start. Having 0 expertise doesnt help, but neither is having 14k or less HP. I see tons of PvPers in recruit gear but it isnt effective still that they have to do the long grind, but they're the better ones than the peeps who has 12k HP with green from level 27 like they think they know PvP from a 10-49. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LenrocNewDawn Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Campaign/BH gear is comparable with BM for PvP. Don't believe me? Crunch the numbers yourself. What is better then both? Campaign/BH with PvP implants,relics,bracers and belt. Also be aware that now WH weapon and offhand are easier to get and they will provide a big big boost in expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrekxxx Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 it depends on player skill and class its harder to play melee and be in the middle like play ranged dps wirh 0 expertise.. so when you play mara or juggy or so go with 700k expertise at least, because you are focused often. with sorc dps you can easy do 300k dmg with 0 expertise when you LoS and move ... but anyway i suggest 500 min and 1200 max ... gl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Campaign/BH gear is comparable with BM for PvP. Don't believe me? Crunch the numbers yourself. What is better then both? Campaign/BH with PvP implants,relics,bracers and belt. Also be aware that now WH weapon and offhand are easier to get and they will provide a big big boost in expertise. BH/campaign is on par with BM...now I have heard everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurmez Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 the mk2 recruit gear isn't so bad. in PVE gear u will be childmolested. this is a bit of a fallacy, I sometimes forget to change my pve gear back to pvp after a pop and I have no noticeable fall in performance, ok I retain about 5-600 expertise from the gear I wear in both pve and pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Philar Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 BH gear has significantly more armor rating and endurance on it which will negate the damage reduction you are missing out on by having no expertise (from Recruit). BH gear has significantly more mainstat and secondary stats on it which will negate the damage increase you are missing out on by having no expertise (from Recruit). If you are already in full BH then you are going to outperform every single Recruit gear player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeochins Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 BH gear has significantly more armor rating and endurance on it which will negate the damage reduction you are missing out on by having no expertise (from Recruit). BH gear has significantly more mainstat and secondary stats on it which will negate the damage increase you are missing out on by having no expertise (from Recruit). If you are already in full BH then you are going to outperform every single Recruit gear player. BH gear will not negate the focus fire when: Rage Marauders and Juggernaughts figure they can smash you for 9KCarnage Marauder discover force scream criticals for 5K, along with 4K ticks of ravage.Annihilation Marauders discover you take 1500 per bleed tick and over 4000 damage from annihilateSorcerers who discover force lightning ticks for 1.4K each tick, and a deathfield critical can give them the 5K hit medal.Powertechs discover that an 7K railshot is awesome.Operators who discover shiv hits for 4KAssassins who discover thrash and voltaic slash hit anywhere from 3K-6K a hit.Vengence juggernaughts discover that vicious throw hits for 5K Once you discover the person wearing PvE gear it takes less than 2 GCD's of focus fire to send them back to the spawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LenrocNewDawn Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 BH/campaign is on par with BM...now I have heard everything. It is m8. Do the math. Only thing it is falling a bit short is in sustainability with a healer in PvP but due to the fact that PvP fight tend to be short and intense that tends to not matter much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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