DraonaiMimnov Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Lawl @ the guy who said minecraft was hard. I guess he must be the type of person that cries about SWTOR being too hard to play. Edited June 22, 2012 by DraonaiMimnov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlyxDinas Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 It's largely symptomatic of the general down trend in the gaming industry in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vankris Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 i am totally ignorant about stock market, but i did some checking on yahoo finance EA: 30 december: stock value $20.60 now: stock value $12.00 looking at blizzard activision i see 30 december: stock value $12.42 now: stock value $11.44 but i have the feeling one can't compare directly stock value, maybe the number of these actual share does import. Sound to me that EA was much higher in december and there are now about equal. Keep in mind that electronics arts is present on many franchise (battlefield, EA sports, The Sims, mass effect, need for speed, crysis...) while activision is essentially blizard games and call of duty games (and prototype). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anishor Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) The stock market likes the prospect of growth way more than the reality of predictable, stagnant sales. EA's stock ran up a lot on the prospect of 2 - 2.5 million subs netting up to $450 million a year in new, recurring revenue. The margins on those digital subscriptions would have been fantastic. They ran the stock up to $8 billion in market cap on the prospect of that and their other digital initiatives being huge hits, and in reality the performance of both has been, well, boring. So the stock market would rather go speculate on another frenzied growth story until that bursts too. The only reason the speculative frenzy might matter to us is if the EA brass decided to slash and burn SWTOR development and hype something else to please investors and save their own jobs - and unfortunately, the huge ginormous layoffs from last month told me - along with EA CEO's comments about how unimportant SWTOR is compared to EA sports - that maybe that's what they're up to. But I'd love to be wrong. ^ This. It's why in the long run why the world economy is gonna be hurting. Too much short term gain and stock inflation while long term vision/gain has been sacrificed for it.. It seems every investor is looking for the get rich quick then moving gains into safe investments with low returns like bonds. Edited June 22, 2012 by Anishor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaisernick Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 if investors/ EA or however the stock market works beleived that TOR would instantly achive 11 million players like wow then they deserve their loss. wow didnt achive it level untill at least a year after launch and againg my guess is that EA wanted TOR to be a wow killer which we all kept saying it wouldnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishtim Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Until the global economy bounces back full and more people can actually find work 'luxury item' companys that sell video games/DVDs/CDs and so on will find their stock getting lower The only thing that they could do at the moment is to start to target a wider asian audience as they seem to be the only countries that have a greater financial stability when the Euro crisis ends and when more people in the US are getting back to work then companies like EA will start to see significant market improvement Edited June 22, 2012 by irishtim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth_Thorne Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 It would be sad, because we'd lose SWTOR ... but if I live so see the day EA goes down ... Id throw a #@$&ing party! This is how I feel. If we could somehow keep SWTOR and still watch EA burn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picoTBN Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) cmon guys , how can a stock of a whole enourmous company be affected by just one of their games. Edited June 22, 2012 by Parali inappropriate content - politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macumba Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 ea needs to build a positive reputation with us (their customers). superimposing origin on all their titles, selling them on that platform more expensive than in stores even though they save packaging shipping and handling AND what the stores earn. then ontop of that including spyware into origin. yeah that does not contribute towards a positive reputation for a company. and here on the forums everyone believes if something goes wrong with swtor it was the suits @ ea, not bioware nono they can do no wrong. in the end they make money from us buying their stuff and I am so fed up with ea, that I even wont buy games that interest me because I really don't want to give them my money anymore. I dunno what the leadership of ea is thinking, first they threaten the creatives with loss of their job and wonder why they stop being creative (referring to all the companies they destroyed, like westwood, origin systems, bullfrog etc etc) now they state to have learned from their mistakes only to make new ones like all too obvious and greedy customer exploitation (instead of what they did before) and think they get away with it. I am glad that they don't and I seriously hope that ea goes down for good this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shingara Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I dont have enough money to buy enough share to even care, so for me the could do loop de loop for 5 days and then go sky high for all the difference it will make to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoth Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) i am totally ignorant about stock market, but i did some checking on yahoo finance EA: 30 december: stock value $20.60 now: stock value $12.00 looking at blizzard activision i see 30 december: stock value $12.42 now: stock value $11.44 but i have the feeling one can't compare directly stock value, maybe the number of these actual share does import. Sound to me that EA was much higher in december and there are now about equal. Keep in mind that electronics arts is present on many franchise (battlefield, EA sports, The Sims, mass effect, need for speed, crysis...) while activision is essentially blizard games and call of duty games (and prototype). If you go back a few more months the Stock price was almost $25, so EA's stock was going down before SWTOR came out. This has more to do with the world economy then just one game.... BTW, Activison does a LOT of movie tie in with games, such X-Men, Spiderman, MIB, Battleship, Ice Age, Transformers, etc.. and they also have the Nascar franchise and lots of other games, so they don't just make Blizzard and Call of Duty games... Activision is a close 2nd to EA in the amount of games they put out... And they both have similar stock prices.. Edited June 22, 2012 by Monoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muskaan Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) If you go back a few more months the Stock price was almost $25, so EA's stock was going down before SWTOR came out. This has more to do with the world economy then just one game.... World economy has a major impact, yes. Every company is taking a hit thanks to EU mess and Greece. In other news Vivendi is planning to sell part or all of its share in Activision Blizzard. Edited June 22, 2012 by Muskaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LohKey Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) If you go back a few more months the Stock price was almost $25, so EA's stock was going down before SWTOR came out. This has more to do with the world economy then just one game.... $25 was it's peek. The problem with EA stock is SWTOR, as soon as I saw there was no end game I knew it was not going to be a winner for EA and pulled my money out. 6 months in and still no real end game, doesn't matter much now tho the damage is done. Anyone who looks at an investment is going to look at the product and when SWTOR was released it was obvious that the player base was going to rapidly dwindle, and that's not a good thing when investing. SWTOR is a bad investment at this point, and will be until EA get a team who can craft a MMO better than BW has in the door. I also stay away from china stocks because they run their businesses by censoring any negativity, and these forums is why I would never invest in EA again, and company that squashes free speech like this place does is a company that will do anything to look good on the outside while rotting within. Any company that makes something like that a policy will always be a bad buy. Edited June 22, 2012 by LohKey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawiki Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 This is the perfect time to purchase EA stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcorn Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 The world economy comes into play a bit, but there is much more to it. SWTOR was a big hype machine that did not live up to itself. With this came a great deal of animosity directed at EA and Origin. I find that stocks run in emotional waves. $25 was obviously inflated and there was a correction. It will stabilize at some point and begin to grow again. If anyone bought stock at +$18 because of one title in EA's portfolio they deserve to have lost their butts in the market. Just like the people that paid +$30 for facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoth Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 $25 was it's peek. The problem with EA stock is SWTOR, as soon as I saw there was no end game I knew it was not going to be a winner for EA and pulled my money out. 6 months in and still no real end game, doesn't matter much now tho the damage is done. Anyone who looks at an investment is going to look at the product and when SWTOR was released it was obvious that the player base was going to rapidly dwindle, and that's not a good thing when investing. SWTOR is a bad investment at this point, and will be until EA get a team who can craft a MMO better than BW has in the door. If the Peek was the day SWTOR came out and then it started to drop steeply, then I would agree with you, but the fact that stock was already going down well before SWTOR came out tells me there are other factors.... Also, if a MMO with tons of subscribers makes a stock desirable then why is Blizzard stock at around $11? Considering they still have over what 8 million subscribers? by your logic Blizzard stock should be around $100 a share... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcorn Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 If the Peek was the day SWTOR came out and then it started to drop steeply, then I would agree with you, but the fact that stock was already going down well before SWTOR came out tells me there are other factors.... Also, if a MMO with tons of subscribers makes a stock desirable then why is Blizzard stock at around $11? Considering they still have over what 8 million subscribers? by your logic Blizzard stock should be around $100 a share... That depends on many factors. The biggest one is how diluted the pool of shares is. It could be that Bilizzard split 10 times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LohKey Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 If the Peek was the day SWTOR came out and then it started to drop steeply, then I would agree with you, but the fact that stock was already going down well before SWTOR came out tells me there are other factors.... Also, if a MMO with tons of subscribers makes a stock desirable then why is Blizzard stock at around $11? Considering they still have over what 8 million subscribers? by your logic Blizzard stock should be around $100 a share... It peeked right before the free time started, than people really figured out there was no end game etc.. Also you have no idea how stock price relates to company value, it's not the price it's the shares outstanding etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jederix Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 I noticed how those people thought the game would be pvp focused guess they were wrong lol They usually are. If their subset of the community was as large as they think it was, there would be a plethora of successful PvP based MMOs on the market right now. There aren't, because they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonric Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) I don't own any EA stock so i really could care less. Edited June 22, 2012 by Vonric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NasherUK Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) They are still making profit so I doubt SWTOR has effected it that much. There must be something else going on at EA (e.g. like the lay-offs). Plus you have other things, like SOE will be launching Planetside 2 soon. All the hype is directed towards at atm. Edited June 22, 2012 by NasherUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoth Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 That depends on many factors. The biggest one is how diluted the pool of shares is. It could be that Bilizzard split 10 times... And those same factors come into play with EA also..... I just find it funny that people try their hardest to pin EA's stock prices on SWTOR alone.... It's sad people become so bitter / jaded that Bioware didn't make the game THEY wanted that they need to trash the game anyway possible Is SWTOR perfect? not by a long shot, but for a lot of people it's still a fun game, people need to get over themselves and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stovokor Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) there is no implication .... EA and Activision stock have behaved in this under-performing manner for a long time now. Recent developments don't mean much. Also LOL at people thinking "the worst company ever " title really has significance, its just loud segment aka videogamers. The same people will keep going back for more. Edited June 22, 2012 by Stovokor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ealaniel Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Amazing how many people know nothing about how the stock market works. So, class, here's the lesson for today: "Buy the rumor, sell the news." (Ask your classmate Google for the notes if you don't understand.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TapSumBatt Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 This really bores me to tears, I am playing every day and always my server is full, just about always there is a queue on prime time to even get in, up to 40 minutes. This has not changed in the slightest since server transfer so take your doomsday theories and shove them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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