Wtfimenraged Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I've been thinking of rolling one but I've heard they are mainly a sneaky rogue like melee class. I got a sniper to level 30 but the cover system bored me to death so i'm just curious if operative is any different? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishaide Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Turn back while you still can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wtfimenraged Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Turn back while you still can! I've heard that operatives suck right now, but I do not choose classes based on how overpowered they are, I choose them based on what I want to play. Thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hulkweazel Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Ops have two abilities that use cover (Three if you count solo only Headshot ability) and its only real use for an Op is either the occasional Explosive Probe or as a pseudo-gap closer. In other words, no, Ops don't really use cover. Despite the issues with a lot of the abilities and talents, I enjoyed playing an Op a lot more than other classes. If you enjoy it and don't care about that, go for it. On the plus side, if the class does get fixed, it makes for easy groups endgame. Edited March 10, 2012 by hulkweazel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wtfimenraged Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Ops have two abilities that use cover (Three if you count solo only Headshot ability) and its only real use for an Op is either the occasional Explosive Probe or as a pseudo-gap closer. In other words, no, Ops don't really use cover. Despite the issues with a lot of the abilities and talents, I enjoyed playing an Op a lot more than other classes. If you enjoy it and don't care about that, go for it. On the plus side, if the class does get fixed, it makes for easy groups endgame. Thank you. I've been getting conflicting answers in game and wasn't really sure how to play the class because of it. The first 10 levels are really deceiving it seems and I can see why many don't like the class. They arn't play it right. But should i act like a Rogue or what? I'm still not really sure how to go about playing the class haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talsev Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 operative is more stealth but has all the cover attacks(lvl 1-10). Sniper is more cover. I have an operative and i prefer it more then the sniper cuz i do not like cover, but that is my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNick Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) I use Cover every 30s for explosive probe because it hits like a truck. You can also use EP with flashbang + orbital strike shenanigans for a decent amount of burst out of stealth. Cover can also be used to mitigate Force Charges, but I've never really bothered since the last thing I need is for something else to pay attention to in combat. Edited March 10, 2012 by SaintNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldin Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I use it on my Scoundrel for the Sabotage Charge. In Operations I use it a little bit for the charge burst and give the healer a chance to catch up health. Other than that, it doesn't have much use. We just don't get enough Cover only abilities, and we don't have the range where staying in one place for long is that useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuixupu Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I don't really use cover myself, though I still have crouch handy for times when throwing an explosive probe on a target is a worthwhile. Certainly not part of my regular rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallyhoe Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 As an operative healer I use it all the time in huttball and pvp.. crouch that is.. cause sith warriors can't leap to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doingtheobvious Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Cover is worth using for the occasional explosive probe. Even without the talents that snipers get to make it Get Equipped With: AWESOME, it's still worth using as an operative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zachloupe Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 It's possible (but very difficult) to exploit the "jump into cover" mechanic as a movement assist during heated PvP. I've seen it done, and it's amazing when used correctly, but seems exceedingly difficult to master. My Operative is currently only in her 20s, and doesn't ever use cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Yes, I use it with explosive probe aswell as the odd snipe here and there. However, never use the actual cover skill, use crouch instead. If you use it while standing at a cover spot (green arrow) you get full cover, if not you just sit down and do your thing without rolling away in a random direction. Same goes for sniper, never use the actual skill called take cover, use crouch, its much more reliable at all times. Make sure to place crouch and explosive probe on the same QB spot i.e 1-12 on the top bar and 1-12 on the cover bar. This lets you just tap that button twice to crouch (no gcd) and EP instantly after. Its alot of extra damage to pass up on. Edited March 10, 2012 by SneakyErvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahebish Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I use Cover every 30s for explosive probe because it hits like a truck. You can also use EP with flashbang + orbital strike shenanigans for a decent amount of burst out of stealth. Cover can also be used to mitigate Force Charges, but I've never really bothered since the last thing I need is for something else to pay attention to in combat. I like fighting against people like you. Let's just say everyone I know who used that tactic no longer uses it because of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatatan Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Hi, i use cover all the time. At first i was hating it (used just crouch long time) but then i gave it second try when i had mastered other things and now it helps me a lot. Because i'm lethality hybrid, i have to use all the tool i can to be on par with others, so i use cover+snipe a lot and you can also use it as fake 'gap' closer to get in 'shiv' distance etc ... As lethality hybrid, i have to be opportunistic and flexible and cover helps me in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manigma Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 It's possible (but very difficult) to exploit the "jump into cover" mechanic as a movement assist during heated PvP. I've seen it done, and it's amazing when used correctly, but seems exceedingly difficult to master. My Operative is currently only in her 20s, and doesn't ever use cover. Yeah I did this once it was crazy I must have moved 20-30 metres into cover past the firepits in huttball, couldn't figure out how to recreate it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battilea Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 While leveling, I used it mostly just so I could Explosive Probe. At 50, the only time I use it is against the lava island boss in EV, so his knockback only knocks me down and out of cover, rather than back into the lava. But my Op is a healer, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sookster Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) I use it to cast explosive probe, and sometimes while running the ball in huttball, diverolling to a cover area through fire/acid, that stuff is funny. Edited March 11, 2012 by Sookster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangetsu Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 (edited) I'm a lvl 50 scoundrel. I placed Sabotage Charge (Explosive Probe) in my rotation after I saw pvp videos where people made good use of it. But mostly I use "chrouch" to do that because it's faster than "take cover". I occasionally use "take cover" as a gap closer. Those are the only times I use cover. As an operative, you should play like a rogue. Enjoy your new class Edited March 11, 2012 by Mangetsu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joefjr Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 As a PvE Concealment i never use it, i wish i could hide the green body graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutch-master Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) You can use Explosive probe a lot quicker after hitting crouch than the animation lets on. Like, nearly instantly.... I dont use cover though. Edited March 12, 2012 by dutch-master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamanous Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 (edited) Very good operatives fine amazing use for it although not part of any builds primary rotations. I typically pop in and out of it very quickly for many of the reasons listed in this thread (I went back to roll to cover as it opens up really nice options in pvp ... too many use stationary and miss out of fun/effective tactics). Knowing when to use it and against what class can really turn the tide of a fight. I am also a med/conceal hybrid so it has many uses within that build as well when mixed with healing and dps options at 30m and to trick people into rushing into melee with you before they realise you are spec'd melee and not ranged . Some seem to think cover = lack of mobility. As mentioned an op only needs it for very brief moments if ever so that is a very poor excuse. I see many ops (most are concealment ... a spec I am not impressed with from a team oriented game play perspective) and I consider myself more mobile than nearly all of them. I rarely use stealth as every time an op is in stealth they are effectively immobile as it is a self imposed nullification of EVERYTHING minus slow movement. Barring some very few good op players (we're talking less than 1% here) stealth heavy ops remind me of those idiots in Counter Strike or DoD who let you die in order to run up and knife someone instead of shooting their heads off at a distance. The answer to your question though is cover becomes a tool to be used WHEN you want it for operatives and not something you absolutely require which is obviously something you didn't like. That said an operative plays very differently from a sniper and that alone may be a reason why you may or may not like the class. Edited March 12, 2012 by Tamanous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euklidian_Space Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Don't listen to all the ppl who say ops suck right now. They nerfed us yes, but now we just have to be smarter and pvp better. As for cover i use it to launch an explosive probe it helps. I also still snipe occasionally. Learn to use all the tools at ur disposal. Dont be a one trick pony like the other QQers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerikin_Loukbel Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 You don't "need" to use it but its comes in very handy in certain situations. Explosive probe is great for doing some dps, especially in PvP, it is the highest damage for its cast time and its ranged. Snipe is useful once in a while, mostly in Huttball after getting knocked off a platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSafana Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Concealment OP and I only PVP, I never use cover. I have a MM sniper that is basically forced to use it so I avoid it on my Op. I like mobility. The knockback in Huttball would be the only place I would consider it, but I'd rather just stealth and faceplant them into the fire pit instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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