BrandonSM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Since before he truly became Darth Vader it had always been Anakins plan to destroy the emperor and himself rule the galaxy, everything he did as Darth Vader in some way carried with it a plan to lead to sidious' downfall, including his training of Marek and creation of the rebellion. Unfortunately, Sidious was the almighty most powerful Sith Lord ever. He feared Vader because Vader could do damage but if Sid wanted to he could destroy just about every Sith Lord there ever is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girdeux Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Unfortunately, Sidious was the almighty most powerful Sith Lord ever. He feared Vader because Vader could do damage but if Sid wanted to he could destroy just about every Sith Lord there ever is. Pre suit dark side Anakin > Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Pre suit dark side Anakin > Sidious. What? Sidious would destroy Anakin/Vader in any incarnation, if Yoda and Windu couldn't ever truly defeat him, Anakin certainly couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruliya Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Well, it was actually pretty good plan. Vader never thought they would escape and imagine, lets say your the leader of one of the most successful Empire's ever. And you have all of your enemies in one room, and you outnumber and outweapon them. The stupid part was capturing them instead of killing them on sight. But the GE still had political trials and what not and they had stay true to their word. Overconfidence generally leads to ones downfall, if movies and books are the general to go on xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girdeux Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 What? Sidious would destroy Anakin/Vader in any incarnation, if Yoda and Windu couldn't ever truly defeat him, Anakin certainly couldn't. Wrong. Lucas said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruliya Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 What? Sidious would destroy Anakin/Vader in any incarnation, if Yoda and Windu couldn't ever truly defeat him, Anakin certainly couldn't. The movies would contradict you there sweets, as Vader does seem to topple Sidious in RotJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 The movies would contradict you there sweets, as Vader does seem to topple Sidious in RotJ She's talking about in a 1v1 battle. Quite Frankly Sid in his prime would be a huge challenge for Luke nevermind Yoda or Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) The movies would contradict you there sweets, as Vader does seem to topple Sidious in RotJ He picks him up and throws him down a shaft, whilst he is concentrating on destroying Luke, in an outright battle, vader would never win, he had 80% of Sidious' power as Lucas himself said. Edited February 25, 2012 by Rayla_Felana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Pre suit dark side Anakin > Sidious. Not gonna happen senora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Wrong. Lucas said so. Care to give me a link to that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippyman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 If we are talking most powerful sith ever (including EU) that title would have to be held by Darth Vivius (emperor during the time of Revan) who was able to suck the life force from an entire planet leaving a force sucking void powerful enough to kill Jedi. Not to mention by doing so he was able to live that thousand years or more. Although paying attention to some of the lore in TOR it seems to be alluded to that revan eventually found a way to kill the emperor and is actually ruling during the setting of TOR, which would make him I suppose the most powerful given the state he was in at the close of the recent novel SWTOR: Revan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girdeux Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Not gonna happen senora. ahh ok a sidious fanboy "You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor." Pre suit Dark side Anakin > Sidious. FACT. Care to give me a link to that statement? The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204 Edited February 25, 2012 by Girdeux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) ahh ok a sidious fanboy "You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor." The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204 If Anakin reached his full potential he would have. What he would have been is different than what he is. COmprehend? If Anakin reached his full potential he would have become 200% of Sidious. Edited February 25, 2012 by BrandonSM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 ahh ok a sidious fanboy "You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor." The Making Of Revenge Of The Sith; page 204 I believe you are misinterpreting his point, IF he hadn't have been immolated on Mustafar, he would have surpassed Sidious in power eventually, and become 200% of Sidious' power, as that is how much potential he had and is what Luke fulfilled in his place, he in no way meant that Mustafar Vader could defeat Darth Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 If we are talking most powerful sith ever (including EU) that title would have to be held by Darth Vivius (emperor during the time of Revan) who was able to suck the life force from an entire planet leaving a force sucking void powerful enough to kill Jedi. Not to mention by doing so he was able to live that thousand years or more. Although paying attention to some of the lore in TOR it seems to be alluded to that revan eventually found a way to kill the emperor and is actually ruling during the setting of TOR, which would make him I suppose the most powerful given the state he was in at the close of the recent novel SWTOR: Revan Sidious did that and more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruliya Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 He picks him up and throws him down a shaft, whilst he is concentrating on destroying Luke, in an outright battle, vader would never win, he had 80% of Sidious' power as Lucas himself said. Ah, 1 vs 1? Maybe. I don't know. Sidious is strong, but pre-Vader Anakin tries to convince Padme he could beat him. 20-odd years later I think Vader might have learnt a trick or 2! But then, his best shot, would have been with Luke, so maybe not. Poor anakin/Vader, always second string Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girdeux Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) I believe you are misinterpreting his point, IF he hadn't have been immolated on Mustafar, he would have surpassed Sidious in power eventually, and become 200% of Sidious' power, as that is how much potential he had and is what Luke fulfilled in his place, he in no way meant that Mustafar Vader could defeat Darth Sidious. If Anakin reached his full potential he would have. What he would have been is different than what he is. COmprehend? If Anakin reached his full potential he would have become 200% of Sidious. Yous are both twisting his words. You need to read the Making of Revenge of the Sith, the quote was in context during the events of ROTS that Anakin wouldve beat Sidious in a fight. Its undebetable. Edited February 25, 2012 by Girdeux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippyman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Sidious was less than 100 when he died (including his several reincarnations in clones etc.) and while he did some incredible things in the many, many EU books I have never read of him doing anything thing to compete with sucking out a planets life force with an incantation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Ah, 1 vs 1? Maybe. I don't know. Sidious is strong, but pre-Vader Anakin tries to convince Padme he could beat him. 20-odd years later I think Vader might have learnt a trick or 2! But then, his best shot, would have been with Luke, so maybe not. Poor anakin/Vader, always second string Yeah. Vader was not the smartest pre-Mustafar. And then well..."he learned his lesson". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Sidious was less than 100 when he died (including his several reincarnations in clones etc.) and while he did some incredible things in the many, many EU books I have never read of him doing anything thing to compete with sucking out a planets life force with an incantation No? Making the Force Storm able to turn planets into Malachor V? Or the fact that at his Retreat he absorbed billions of lives each day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruliya Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I believe you are misinterpreting his point, IF he hadn't have been immolated on Mustafar, he would have surpassed Sidious in power eventually, and become 200% of Sidious' power, as that is how much potential he had and is what Luke fulfilled in his place, he in no way meant that Mustafar Vader could defeat Darth Sidious. Sorry, this might of been my interpretation only. But wasn't Anakin fully unscarred 200% of what Sidious was? and with every subsequent "amputation" a massive reduction on his powers? I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yous are both twisting his words. You need to read the Making of Revenge of the Sith, the quote was in context during the events of ROTS that Anakin wouldve beat Sidious in a fight. Its undebetable. No he would not. Your twisting his words. He's stated and Leland Chee has stated that Anakin at his full potential could be the most powerful Force User Ever. If the quote is from a character, its not canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Sorry, this might of been my interpretation only. But wasn't Anakin fully unscarred 200% of what Sidious was? and with every subsequent "amputation" a massive reduction on his powers? I could be wrong though. If Anakin on Mustafar was 200% stronger then Sidious, he would have floored Obi-Wan in seconds. In short he was not at that time. Edited February 25, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippyman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 maybe I missed some books in the timeline, I do not remeber sidious consuming billions of lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 If we are talking most powerful sith ever (including EU) that title would have to be held by Darth Vivius (emperor during the time of Revan) who was able to suck the life force from an entire planet leaving a force sucking void powerful enough to kill Jedi. Not to mention by doing so he was able to live that thousand years or more. Although paying attention to some of the lore in TOR it seems to be alluded to that revan eventually found a way to kill the emperor and is actually ruling during the setting of TOR, which would make him I suppose the most powerful given the state he was in at the close of the recent novel SWTOR: Revan No, just no. First his name is Vitiate, not Vivius. Darth Sidious achieved this and much much more, difference being, SW:TOR - Revan spoilers:Vitiate needed the power of 200 other Sith Lords and trinkets and rituals to achieve, Sidious did it all by himself, the powers came from himself, never did he need anything else. Big spoilers concerning Revan, the Sith Emperor and TOR as a whole:Revan definitely did not usurp Vitiate, Vitiate kept him in stasis for 300 years after Scourge betrayed Revan, T3 and Meetra Surik, causing the deaths of the former two, in TOR, on the republic side you rescue Revan from an imperial prison, then afterwards as the Empire classes, you defeat Revan who has taken over the Foundry, a factory similar to the Star Forge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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