Rayla_Felana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 It's in the expanded universe and there is nothing dis-proving her history. Khem Val actually supports her statements where Tulak Hord is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Lucas specifically states in the commentary for Episode three that Windu has really and truly beaten Sidious. Chalk it up to Lucas' poor writing that it played out that way if you want but, canonically, Windu was a better duelist than Sidious Not just that, he is demonstratively the second greatest Lightsaber duellist of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphRhane Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 It's in the expanded universe and there is nothing dis-proving her history. There is nothing proving it either, is there? If a character gives an opinion, it is worth as much as mine. If Luke Skywalker said 'I'm the tallest farmboy from Tatooine!', does that make it a fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) There is nothing proving it either, is there? If a character gives an opinion, it is worth as much as mine. If Luke Skywalker said 'I'm the tallest farmboy from Tatooine!', does that make it a fact? She does have the supporting statements of Khem Val though, Tulak Hord's personal Shadow Assassin. Edited February 24, 2012 by Rayla_Felana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphRhane Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Not just that, he is demonstratively the second greatest Lightsaber duellist of all time. How? and Who is number 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 How? and Who is number 1? Grand Master Skywalker is the greatest ever as far as we can discern, Mace Windu however is the only person to ever out-duel Sidious next to Luke Skywalker, from this information alone we can place him at second greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKMaster Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 It's in the expanded universe and there is nothing dis-proving her history. Other than she a sith attempting to manipulate the exile.....i guess there isnt..... Darth Treya...BEtraya.....betray.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Other than she a sith attempting to manipulate the exile.....i guess there isnt..... Darth Treya...BEtraya.....betray.... Again, some of her statements may be a lie, but Khem Val, Tulak Hord's personal assassin, has repeatedly backed up her statements with his own. Not only that but TOR and the Book of Sith give us information that back up her claims as well. Edited February 24, 2012 by Rayla_Felana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKMaster Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Again, some of her statements may be a lie, but Khem Val, Tulak Hord's personal assassin, has repeatedly backed up her statements with his own. Not only that but TOR and the Book of Sith give us information that back up her claims as well. My personal assassin and #1 fanboy says i have the biggest bulge of any Sith Lord ever...must be true. Kem is a little obssesed with Hord and borderline in love with him, not a reliable source. And tbh i cant remeber seeing Hord even mentioned in 'Book of Sith'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasarith Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Yoda > Anakin > Luke > His offspring, One thing i Find fail with Jedi is not Haveing offspring> as they would get More Powerfull each generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKMaster Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Sith Lords aside, back on topic.... Luke Skywalker. End Thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) My personal assassin and #1 fanboy says i have the biggest bulge of any Sith Lord ever...must be true. Kem is a little obssesed with Hord and borderline in love with him, not a reliable source. And tbh i cant remeber seeing Hord even mentioned in 'Book of Sith'. Considering they are from two completely different backgrounds and timelines, that means there has to be some truth to those statements, especially considering SW:TOR repeatedly drops information, although easily missed, about Hord. There are some small statements about him, but nothing concrete, but considering that we don't have a completely direct and irrefutable source, we must use whatever we can. Edited February 24, 2012 by Rayla_Felana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staleningrad Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Galen Marek, in my opinion, was the most powerful force-user of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Galen Marek, in my opinion, was the most powerful force-user of all time. People must post here without actually reading the rest of the thread... That's the only thing that can explain statements like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staleningrad Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) People must post here without actually reading the rest of the thread... That's the only thing that can explain statements like this. I did read the thread, and I know a lot of people won't agree with me in saying Malek is the most powerful, but I believe he is... in my opinion. Yes, he is insanely overpowered and that's why I believe a lot of people don't like him. That being said, I also believe Vodo-Siosk Baas was powerful. So I don't get bashed for saying Galen Marek. Edited February 24, 2012 by Staleningrad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) in my opinion. You do understand that your opinion doesn't matter? I'm not saying that because I don't agree with you. I'm saying that because it's an objective fact that Luke is the most powerful force user ever. This quite simply isn't an issue that's open to discussion, debate or opinion. Your opinion or mine for that matter means as much as my opinion on what the speed limit should be when I get pulled over by a cop. George Lucas has stated that Luke is the most powerful force user ever. Once he said that, the debate was over. If you consider the various EU sources as well, that further goes to end the debate, because Luke did things that no other Jedi or Sith could even dream of pulling off. Edited February 24, 2012 by VanorDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staleningrad Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 You do understand that your opinion doesn't matter? I'm not saying that because I don't agree with you. I'm saying that because it's an objective fact that Luke is the most powerful force user ever. This quite simply isn't an issue that's open to discussion, debate or opinion. Your opinion or mine for that matter means as much as my opinion on what the speed limit should be when I get pulled over by a cop. George Lucas has stated that Luke is the most powerful force user ever. Once he said that, the debate was over. If you consider the various EU sources as well, that further goes to end the debate, because Luke did things that no other Jedi or Sith could even dream of pulling off. You're really angry, aren't you? You can say Luke was the most powerful all you want, I still won't agree. That's the end of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCyberpunkx Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) In my opinion: Best Lightsaber Duelist: Mace Windu Best Force User: Yoda Best Overall Jedi: Luke Skywalker Best Dark-Side Force Wielder: Palpatine Best Lightsaber Duelist: Exar Kun Best Overall Sith: Darth Vader Marek is just ridiculous, sorry. Edited February 24, 2012 by xCyberpunkx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 You can say Luke was the most powerful all you want, I still won't agree. Do you read what other people post? What you agree to doesn't matter. What I agree to doesn't matter. The only person who's opinion matters is George Lucas, what he says is fact and is not open to debate or subject to other peoples opinion. He said that Luke is the most powerful force user ever. Even if Lucas hadn't said that, the stuff Luke does in the EU like say becoming One with the Force, makes Galen look like a child in terms of Force ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregMD Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Do you read what other people post? What you agree to doesn't matter. What I agree to doesn't matter. The only person who's opinion matters is George Lucas, what he says is fact and is not open to debate or subject to other peoples opinion. He said that Luke is the most powerful force user ever. Even if Lucas hadn't said that, the stuff Luke does in the EU like say becoming One with the Force, makes Galen look like a child in terms of Force ability.Obv luke fanboy right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCyberpunkx Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Do you read what other people post? What you agree to doesn't matter. What I agree to doesn't matter. The only person who's opinion matters is George Lucas, what he says is fact and is not open to debate or subject to other peoples opinion. He said that Luke is the most powerful force user ever. Even if Lucas hadn't said that, the stuff Luke does in the EU like say becoming One with the Force, makes Galen look like a child in terms of Force ability. Well, if Lucas claims that "The Force Unleashed" and Starkiller and his ridiculous ability to destroy Vader and the Emperor are cannon, I've lost all respect for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Obv luke fanboy right here More like someone who can actually quote the lore without obvious bias being splattered all over their statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staleningrad Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 In my opinion: Best Lightsaber Duelist: Mace Windu I agree with you 100% on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayla_Felana Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well, if Lucas claims that "The Force Unleashed" and Starkiller and his ridiculous ability to destroy Vader and the Emperor are cannon, I've lost all respect for him. When did he destroy either of them? he barely defeated Vader twice and was toyed with by the Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanorDM Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Obv luke fanboy right here Obvious that someone hasn't bothered to read up on the subject first... According to George Lucas, Luke is the most powerful Jedi of all times. According to the EU Luke is the most powerful Jedi of all times. Quite simply fail to see how these two facts can be so hard for some people to understand. This is once more, not a matter open for debate or opinion, no more then the speed limit is open for debate when you're pulled over, or gravity is a matter of opinion. Personally I thought the most interesting Jedi was Qui-Gon, but I know enough about SW and EU lore to know he wasn't the most powerful one to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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