Acks Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Let me start by saying I was a huge supporter of this game and have been following it since its announcement back in fall of 08. 1 - 49 had to be some of the most entertaining leveling Ive ever had in an MMO.........then I hit 50.............. I really do not understand how EA didn't learn from Warhammer's failure to not rush an MMO. This game flat out seems rushed by atleast 6 months and now Bioware and the players suffer for it. End game pvp is literally a complete mess in this game........Ilium is suffers from horrible FPS issues and running the same 3 warzones over and over again gets boring fast. The worst thing about this PvP system is the way you attain gear, It is all around a complete mess that needs to be reworked completely. Getting the same piece of gear in a champion's bag over and over again is ridiculous. Having said all that bioware you have my sub for atleast the next couple months and I wish you all the best in fixing these glaring issues because I really want you to succeed. For me this was my last MMO I planned on playing for atleast a couple years but as of right now I highly doubt ill be here in a couple months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garravesh Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Are you telling me that end game is soley PVP? I do not pvp in any game but STO and it is dea there pretty much currently.... Please tell me there is end content that is not PVP.... Oh man...who the heck made this happen, if it is true, I wanna bite em...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acks Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 Are you telling me that end game is soley PVP? I do not pvp in any game but STO and it is dea there pretty much currently.... Please tell me there is end content that is not PVP.... Oh man...who the heck made this happen, if it is true, I wanna bite em...... No sorry I should have said end game pvp..........there is of course end game pve but from what Ive heard from guildies its highly buggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayDay Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Ilum open world pvp was not designed to be zerked, the faction unbalance makes that possible, it's a work in progress, please stop crying!? 3 pvp instances is more then other mmo's had at launch. Flashpoint hardmodes were mostly fixed long ago and are enjoyable, especially if you skipped them during leveling like your supposed to since mission are the best source of credits. Operations are highly enjoyable and pretty much bug free at this point. Farming Datacrons was really enjoyable but took a while. Unlocking and crafting 50 epics for selling is enjoyable. Overall end game content is GREAT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromiie Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Unlocking and crafting 50 epics for selling is enjoyable. ! LOL who buys that? Daily mods really are much better than anything you can craft which can boost your orange gear to 124 quality and its not hard getting 136 gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explosive_Lasers Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 WoW's endgame at launch was MUCH worse. To put it in perspective, WoW didn't have battlegrounds at launch, had two raids at launch, all the content had been cleared for months before a third raid was added, the classes were pigeon-holed into certain roles without any choice from the player (if you had a heal, you were a healer, no exceptions), there were thousands of bugs (they counted), and the replay-value was crap. TOR has hundreds of hours of more content than WoW did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkirus Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) No sorry I should have said end game pvp..........there is of course end game pve but from what Ive heard from guildies its highly buggy. NO it's not. I been playing Ilium for days now after I hit 50 and there is still a lot of story there and the quests have went well. I hav'nt tried the PVP as I donot like PVP. Thus my reason for rolling on a PVE server. But donot assume a lot are experencing what you have there. Edited January 29, 2012 by Valkirus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brzytwa Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 shame on you.. you really dont like grinding bags? that's so innovative and refreshing so I just deleted this crap and burned in fire pot by this happiness like most of my friends did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishums Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 WoW's endgame at launch was MUCH worse. I always love these. Like WoW had anything to compare itself to seven years ago. New games now should be 100x better, not just 5x better. I've never been big on endgame anyway, so although it sounds disappointing, it probably won't affect my game all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brzytwa Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 and who care about *********** WoW. there are many other better MMOs Eve, Rift and others that TOR can't even kiss their shoes with that glitches as now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol_Taril Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Not to mention that every class has a stun and almost every class has a knockback... this is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pursang Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Not to mention that every class has a stun and almost every class has a knockback... this is ridiculous. Meh, I don't really consider the SW's Force Choke a stun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DowntownMalone Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I'm level 20 now. By the time I actually make it to 50, they'll have like, 2 more content patches! I really need to find more time to play. I wish I did. I only get a couple hours a day, if that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchbass Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) WoW's endgame at launch was MUCH worse. TOR has hundreds of hours of more content than WoW did. lol wut? Someone didn't play Vanilla. WoW took me significantly longer to level and I choose what zones to level in to boot. It took me and my guildies months to reach 60, and when we did the content lasted over a year to finally clear and we loved every second of it. This game? lol. Edited January 29, 2012 by Touchbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMento Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 WoW's endgame at launch was MUCH worse. To put it in perspective, WoW didn't have battlegrounds at launch, had two raids at launch, all the content had been cleared for months before a third raid was added, the classes were pigeon-holed into certain roles without any choice from the player (if you had a heal, you were a healer, no exceptions), there were thousands of bugs (they counted), and the replay-value was crap. TOR has hundreds of hours of more content than WoW did. WoW was also released in 2004 when the MMO market was absolutely nothing like it is now, and the genre itself hadn't even close to developed. SWTOR was released in late 2011, with hundreds of other MMOs to look at and learn from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjarista Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 lol wut? Someone didn't play Vanilla. WoW took me significantly longer to level and I choose what zones to level in to boot. It took me and my guildies months to reach 60, and when we did the content lasted over a year to finally clear and we loved every second of it. This game? lol. I'm not anywhere near end game, being an alt-aholic. But the big issue I see in terms of content is, as you mentioned, a clear lack of leveling areas. The starting planets might be different, but the rest is all the same. It's not a good situation for someone like me, who tends to create many characters. EQ II, and even WoW had multiple areas per level band, and it took quite some time to experience all of it. Here, it's always the same string of planets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Touchbass Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I'm not anywhere near end game, being an alt-aholic. But the big issue I see in terms of content is, as you mentioned, a clear lack of leveling areas. The starting planets might be different, but the rest is all the same. It's not a good situation for someone like me, who tends to create many characters. EQ II, and even WoW had multiple areas per level band, and it took quite some time to experience all of it. Here, it's always the same string of planets. Think that's bad? I want to make the other AC of the BH. Problem is I refuse to do the exact same story linear all the way to lvl 33. What was Bioware thinking??? Also, there are hardly any quests per zone at all compared to a traditional MMORPG so you really can't "skip" chunks like you can in other MMORPG's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DowntownMalone Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'm not anywhere near end game, being an alt-aholic. But the big issue I see in terms of content is, as you mentioned, a clear lack of leveling areas. The starting planets might be different, but the rest is all the same. It's not a good situation for someone like me, who tends to create many characters. EQ II, and even WoW had multiple areas per level band, and it took quite some time to experience all of it. Here, it's always the same string of planets. I think they tried to combat that with a special storyline for each class. It worked for me. I never cared about the story in WoW so the only variety to the game was different areas. In this game, I am very interested in the story. It kind of offers variety in story rather than areas. Nice change of pace. I remember about a year or 2 ago when I quit WoW I would start a new alt and basically just try to rush through the content to hit top level. Who cared about the story when I had raids to do or something! Now it's just a different (and refreshing) focus. I had lost all hope for MMOs and vowed to never play one again. Now here I am, play SWTOR and enjoying the story instead of expecting someone to reinvent the same old tired MMO formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenrik Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Think that's bad? I want to make the other AC of the BH. Problem is I refuse to do the exact same story linear all the way to lvl 33. What was Bioware thinking??? Also, there are hardly any quests per zone at all compared to a traditional MMORPG so you really can't "skip" chunks like you can in other MMORPG's In one way you're right, as in we can't really skip whole zones completely. But I find if I do all the missions in a zone (plus some space minigame and pvp), I'm too high leveled to do the next zone, so I can skip it. That means that if I make an alt, I can spend my time on those zones I skipped and skip over the ones I fully completed on the first character. Still sucks that you have to go through your same class quest but maybe you can make your new character have a different alignment/personality and all different answers in dialogues so it's at least shaken up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PjPablo Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Operations are highly enjoyable and pretty much bug free at this point. Really? We are talking about SWTOR right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explosive_Lasers Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I always love these. Like WoW had anything to compare itself to seven years ago. New games now should be 100x better, not just 5x better. I've never been big on endgame anyway, so although it sounds disappointing, it probably won't affect my game all that much. My point was that TOR has a far better launch than the titan known as WoW. TOR actually has one of the best launches in MMO history, with more content than any other game besides Rift, but I'm pretty sure Trion is on crack 60% of the time. [citation needed] So my post was relevant to the fact that TOR has better end-game content at launch than most games. It also has a much higher replay value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWTOR-GR Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) WoW's endgame at launch was MUCH worse. To put it in perspective, WoW didn't have battlegrounds at launch, had two raids at launch, all the content had been cleared for months before a third raid was added, the classes were pigeon-holed into certain roles without any choice from the player (if you had a heal, you were a healer, no exceptions), there were thousands of bugs (they counted), and the replay-value was crap. TOR has hundreds of hours of more content than WoW did. i dont care if some other mmos had worst game design , i care about swtor that seems day by day less mmo that it is designed to be. i am trying to not hit 50 lvl and face the BIG WARZONE ( illum ) because it will be my last day ingame.... so many empty planets and not any real open pvp competition ... swtor's open pvp content sucks bad Bioware you have two options ... leave the game as it is now or fix it . Edited January 30, 2012 by SWTOR-GR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mormack Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 PvPers complaining about RNG in their gear makes me smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MashTactics Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 SWTOR has the RPG portion nailed down perfectly. Now they need to flesh out the MMO parts of the game. Personally, I think they made the right choice. They could have added tons of endgame content, but made leveling stale and miserable. Then nobody would be having fun until 50. Wouldn't that be fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmeat_one Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Let me start by saying I was a huge supporter of this game and have been following it since its announcement back in fall of 08. 1 - 49 had to be some of the most entertaining leveling Ive ever had in an MMO.........then I hit 50.............. I really do not understand how EA didn't learn from Warhammer's failure to not rush an MMO. This game flat out seems rushed by atleast 6 months and now Bioware and the players suffer for it. End game pvp is literally a complete mess in this game........Ilium is suffers from horrible FPS issues and running the same 3 warzones over and over again gets boring fast. The worst thing about this PvP system is the way you attain gear, It is all around a complete mess that needs to be reworked completely. Getting the same piece of gear in a champion's bag over and over again is ridiculous. Having said all that bioware you have my sub for atleast the next couple months and I wish you all the best in fixing these glaring issues because I really want you to succeed. For me this was my last MMO I planned on playing for atleast a couple years but as of right now I highly doubt ill be here in a couple months. This will probably surprise you, but there is other endgame content. Not only Ilum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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