xhaiquan Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I gear up as best I can, this includes buying orange type gear with planet commendation models and buying purple gear THAT I CAN AFFORD on the GTH. I do agree there is NO reason foranyone to be running around in greens. Blues are easy enough to ged. You can have a good number of orange pieces from questing and turning in commendations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaffery Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 This post pretty much tells me why you are always pugging. And just because you join a group and bark orders doesn't mean you are being social. Where do you take that? Haven't pugging anywhere, I'm just fine do storyline with my companion. Don't see any point do leveling instances. Because I know what is coming, not worth my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimbotcfg Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just calling it how I see it, you are the one who went into that group with your eyes open, no one to blame but yourself. Get a different healer next time. No pity for you because you don't have a meter telling you who is doing what. NONE at all. Your tears are delicious. So your solution, is that instead of giving me a meter, so that I can defend myself when attacked and help someone improve. Is for me to refuse to group with people based on their gear? Yet I'm the anti-social one? Riiiiiight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaffery Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I gear up as best I can, this includes buying orange type gear with planet commendation models and buying purple gear THAT I CAN AFFORD on the GTH. I do agree there is NO reason foranyone to be running around in greens. Blues are easy enough to ged. You can have a good number of orange pieces from questing and turning in commendations. Only reason, because you want be best. And your attitude is much appropriated buy other peoples. First impression of any one, inspect. Even if player is so good, that he could turn up for instance in greens. He didn't improved he's quality because in blues he would be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironix Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Wow so you actually LEARNED something....it wasn't a failure if you LEARNED something that it was a dps issue. Spend time with people before you take them into a instance. Instead of expecting a insta pug, WoW certainly has spoiled quite a few people with their LFD tools and DPS meters. I mean this game isn't going anywhere so why are you in such a rush to complete things in one setting? I dislike the LFD tool and cross-realm anything as much as any sane individual does. It does create a disconnect in the server's community, as people stop getting to know each other. However, that is not what was being brought up and for you to assume that just because I would appreciate a real-time combat analysis tool, doesn't mean that I am suddenly in favour of every ill-fated decision that other games have chosen to make. In any case, yes, I did learn something. I learned that I can't trust people to know how to play their class. You're all screaming about "DPS METERS OMG EPEEN" when the real issue that most of us want resolved is the inability to objectively do any analysis as to why a group is failing. At the time I simply thought it must have been me. People are dying because I can't manage the heals during high burst. Additionally, without access to these kinds of metrics, group failures to non-obvious issues such as enrage timers, will generally be lumped onto the shoulders of healers everywhere. After all, we don't need any type of meters to see that our health bars are going down and not coming back up. Why are you all so against a simple analysis tool? It really isn't an unreasonable request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross_deutsch Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Really all this, oh people are lazy for not gearing **** is starting. Its a game. Who gives a ****, when you play with me I'll be probably **** geared, so deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roganzar Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 No, no, no on DPS meters. They don't help things and just turn people into a bunch of elitist jerks. "Oh, you don't have the best gear. You can't play with us." be sure to read that with your best, snootiness voice, and pretend your holding a monocle to your eye. Anyways. Meters don't help they in fact tend to grind away the fun, remember that "fun," from games like this. Yes people shouldn't go in to Hard Mode FPs with lower level gear but you don't need DPS meters at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironix Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Poor editing, so I'm not social if don't want deal with peoples who are clueless about class and gear? Have been carrying already enough peoples in WoW during heoics and raids. Enough is enough and this game is not a exception. All ends up in to DPS race because in this game bosses also have timer. I don't want socialize with slackers, I rather socialise with elitists, who know what they doing and have good gear and don't delay others. Despite the fact that I would like to have access to combat numbers and analysis AND despite the fact that I am most definitely not a slacker and do know what I am doing, I highly doubt I'd want to socialize with you either. Unfortunately, you come across as one of the main reasons many people don't want any type of meters in game. You're doing nothing but hurting the cause for those of us who actually make use of tools in a reasonable and objective manner and not simply as an excuse to call someone else bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsunz Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 OMG,...this thread again? Damage meters and metrics are for elitists and never should be allowed in the casual gameplay side fo the house. They need to have separate servers for number crunching elitists to play on because the only thing they concerned about is the mathematics of an mmo...and nothing else It's all about segregation folks....too many people on same server wanting too many different things which makes for an unhappy server. Give us options Bioware....OPTIONS! Make a server called Gearscore or Damage Meter Police or Ventrillo Armadillo....but the elitists probably won't go there because there would be nobody there to look down on and show off their epeen leet mad skillz Bioware what you got is fine,...don't change a thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironix Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 They don't help things and just turn people into a bunch of elitist jerks. "Oh, you don't have the best gear. You can't play with us." be sure to read that with your best, snootiness voice, and pretend your holding a monocle to your eye. Sorry to inform you, but that will happen regardless of any type of combat log or meters. As one previous poster ineloquently stated, bosses have timers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Templeman Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 So your solution, is that instead of giving me a meter, so that I can defend myself when attacked and help someone improve. Is for me to refuse to group with people based on their gear? Yet I'm the anti-social one? Riiiiiight. OK... so this meter is really only good for yelling at people you pug with? You knowing how much damage I put out is not going to make me a better player and the advice I would need is unlikely to be found in a pug. The benefit this offers seams to be mostly just to put other people down. It has some novelty and some competition but over all I think it would just sourer the fun a bit. Besides the skill to just eyeball something and find the problem is much more impressive and more elite imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chessack Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 People are joining heroics wearing greens although lvl 49-50 epic items are cheap and plentiful on AH. They get away with it because there are no DPS meters. It's hard to find good people for PUGs. Please add damage meters to the game to improve the quality of players. Well you know, this is what some people on the forums are telling them to do, my friend. When folks come on here complaining that they have no money, they are told to ONLY use dropped/quest gear, never shop the GTN, never craft their own stuff until post-50, etc, etc, etc. They are told they are broke because they spent too much money paying for high quality mats and so on from the GTN, or leveling their armorsmithing ability or whatever. This is not the right way to play. This is why they are broke. Just use quest gear, and you will have hundreds of thousands of credits by level 3. That is what the advice is every time someone starts a thread about being broke -- use what you find, spend no money on anything but necessities like med packs and training, level up with what you get from quests, etc. So, they follow the advice, which ends them up with mediocre gear by level 49-50, and now when they try to play with other level 50s, they are told their gear is not right. You "holier than thou" players need to make up your minds. Are people supposed to gear up or not? Because the advice on this forum is completely contradictory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rzrknight Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Check their gear , we may dont have gear score , which makes a pain to check every player on your operation a pain , but on a heroic you only need to check the gear of 3 people , if you dont agree with they gear set , explain to them so they KNOW why you are kicking them out , and search for a new player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randytravis Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Join in a guild. Next. This............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wifeaggro Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 has nothing to do with how easy the content is. this right here after BT hard . we figured out everything is just enrage timer or a kill order.move around a bit interupt a heal. I had at least 4 weeks of content breking in rift . it required a couple evenings per zone to get it wired and figure out the fights. here its pretty simple. From my estimate a casual will be done with his first chr in 45 days. hardcores in 2 weeks. not a good sign for longevity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercia Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 A lot of people dont know how good doing dailys is to gear up your toon and also think that its not worth their time. I have a few people with the same attitude in my guild and these are excellent gamers i have played with for years they never did dailys before in an mmo and never had issues gear yet now still dont do dailys and are pretty undergeared Im not going to complain or tell people how to gear and do something they dont want to do. Its just gonna make it an hard choice not picking them even though i know they are an amazing player the differance between greens and modded customs/epics is quite a gulf in hardmodes and i have experienced it first hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealAeiouy Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 People are joining heroics wearing greens although lvl 49-50 epic items are cheap and plentiful on AH. They get away with it because there are no DPS meters. It's hard to find good people for PUGs. Please add damage meters to the game to improve the quality of players. You don't need dps meters to do content. How about you make some friends since you think everyone else sucks so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaffery Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Despite the fact that I would like to have access to combat numbers and analysis AND despite the fact that I am most definitely not a slacker and do know what I am doing, I highly doubt I'd want to socialize with you either. Unfortunately, you come across as one of the main reasons many people don't want any type of meters in game. You're doing nothing but hurting the cause for those of us who actually make use of tools in a reasonable and objective manner and not simply as an excuse to call someone else bad. No, you are wrong. To get in to high end raiding guild you have do a lot of work buy improving you self. I will accept if some one beat me on meter, means only 1 thing. I'm not good enough and I have do some work to improve my self. I'm not meter spammer, for me it is tool, not a toy. Despite been carring peoples, never been spamming meter in to chat. It is childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironix Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Make a server called Gearscore or Damage Meter Police or Ventrillo Armadillo....but the elitists probably won't go there because there would be nobody there to look down on and show off their epeen leet mad skillz Do you honestly think people like myself want access to these tools simply to belittle other players? If you do, then I am insulted. Additionally, to make a few corrections regarding your assumptions here. Gearscore doesn't exist anymore. Nor has it for quite some time now. In any case, regardless of how the children and jerks made use of that particular tool, it really only amounted to a supplement to actually having to inspect someone before inviting them to a raid. People with unrealistic expectations about gear requirements would have still had those unrealistic expectations with or without the tool (caveat: I never made such silly requests while forming pugs to do reasonably easy content). As for Ventrilo, well... When people like myself want to raid challenging content, split second communication is often necessary. That doesn't mean everyone is required to speak, but it does require people to at least listen. For content that poses little or no challenge, then of course, who needs to bother with any of this stuff, right? I really wish people would stop blaming tools and software as something that magically turns an otherwise normal person into a spectacular jerkwad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaffery Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Buy the way, gear score and achievement mean nothing. I have seen so many pug raids, when after first boss special ability half raid is dead. Peoples been carried and don't know tactics. This has nothing to do with meters, gear score or what ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeborn Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 People are joining heroics wearing greens although lvl 49-50 epic items are cheap and plentiful on AH. They get away with it because there are no DPS meters. It's hard to find good people for PUGs. Please add damage meters to the game to improve the quality of players. You do not know what you're talking about. That is obvious. The items you see on the AH are not the items you get out of hard mode or Ops. Trust me, you're not getting the gear I am getting off the AH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaestmannaeyjar Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Sooner or later it will come, because too many peoples will refuse carrying slackers, who couldn't be bothered gearing up before going to instance. Actually, people are always trying to get people better geared than them so they can get the loot. What annoys them in green geared people is they actually need the drops Sadly, people play for loot, which is why I stopped raiding and grouping. Even guilds are this way most of the time. I quit MMOs some time ago when the demographics started to change and it turned to a whiny bratfest, only playing TOR for the solo content actually. Edited January 16, 2012 by Vaestmannaeyjar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDTC Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 "according to my gadget here, you are ten point oh oh oh five points away from winning the star wars. get out of my group." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarheartZero Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I'm PVE, but I do PVP warzones. Champions bags are so easy to get and the stats blow lvl 50 blues away. No excuse not to be geared. I'm almost full champ gear in less then 7 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaffery Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Actually, people are always trying to get people better geared than them so they can get the loot. What annoys them in green geared people is they actually need the drops Sadly, people play for loot, which is why I stopped raiding and grouping. Even guilds are this way most of the time. I quit MMOs some time ago when the demographics started to change and it turned to a whiny bratfest, only playing TOR for the solo content actually. So do I, not grouping atm, happy with my companion. Till I reach end game, it takes time, have chance learn my classes, find best rotations, check out gear and stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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