First off they never sold 6 million copies. it was a little over 3 million. If EA is staing 6 million its 3 million more downloads from F2p. Secondly the future of this game is its cartel market it simply wont get quality content updates unless they nickel and dime you to death at the CC market with DLC. Im disappointed in this very bleak big buisness devolpment of MMO's the new thing is kick starter some of these uber talented devs that were the actuall brains behind the MMO genre have broken away from big publishers and are making their own games .

your not gonna get anywhere with these folk. Premium use to mean premium, and subscription meant if you dont have one you dont play. Right now EA is grinding every last penny of their customers, its the reason they were awarded the prestigous worst company in america two times over. Though i dont agree they are the worst their are several other comapnies that are border line Satan whorshipers EA is still pretty slimmy.

Sony is not where near as bad in the misleading department. but they are far stupider in the direction they took SOE for the last 5 years.

Hopefully the New CEO will have more of a connection to his customers. Obviously Ritchtello had zero understanding of his customers wants and needs. He severly underestimated the MMO player base and their expectation for online gaming products. I don hold much hope for TOR being any more then what it is nor do i expect a full blown expansion that enriches and expands the game. But i do think EA will think very deeply if they venture into another AAA MMO and realize you cant make a pure theme park MMO with limiting linear game play. As for a cash grab thats exactly what game companies are doing . Neverwinter is a perfect example of F2P models going way to far ,the price point for that games cash shop is absloute robbery. I dont hold much hope for MMOs now, they are no longer a premium service they are carnival that charge you for admission then fleece you for every last cent you brought with you. I do have high hopes for all the Kick starter projects moving the Genre forward in terms of game play and hope to see more independent studios blossom like trion did.

SOE can make a better MMO then BW EA, with out a doubt. Problem is they tried to corner the market by buying everyone elses Bullcrap niche MMO's to try and corner the market on the niche lol. the MMO community is ready for sand box elements .

Ya im odne with EA .boycotted every releases since Dragon age 2,aside from TOR . wont buy anymore of their products i odnt appreciate the buisness practices. Customer service is horrendous , and the managment has zero intrest in pleasing them. ************ on the forums does nothing, if your unhappy dont support them bottom line.

there is a massive difference between EQ 2 housing and ships in TOR they are not even remotely close

I dont think it was a good deal at all . Look at what Rift provided with their expansion its absloutely ridiculous amount of content. it was easily 60 hours of content minus the gear progression

Absloutely this was supposed to be a free content upgrade according to james Phlen 9 months ago its was their promis to customers actually. He made this statement to try to appease the massive end game exodus after launch. Probably why EA fired him.

Though his delivery was lacking. He is absloutely correct i am a casual player and TOR being driected at the casual market i do remeber the previous genrations of MMO's being able to keep hardcore players striving and still accessible to the casual. Personally i dont even think its about casual VS hardcore anymore. its painfully obvious that Corperation have got their greedy friggin hands in game devolpment .Now consumer is victimzed to gimmicky content, misinformation about content devolpment, outdated concepts like food stamp gear instead unigue items, when they do produce something unique its availble in a gambling system designed to make you pay hundreds of dollars to obtainn it. No offense to anyone disagreeing with this guy but the longer as consumers we allow corperations to take our money with sub par products and stifle talent and innovation, the longer we will playing WOW, 1,2,3,4,5 and so on. This game is nothing like it was in closed beta , making Free 2 play players pay 20 dollars for 10 hours of content ? and then milk the living lights out of sub player with the cartel shop making unique items that are not obtainable in game shows no intrest in their customer instrests. It's no wonder EA is doing so poorly

Point is you shouldnt be forced to grind repetive dailies that suck horribly when the main part of anything good in this game is HM FP or OPS. the content should be harder not make it harder to actually do the content. This game is azzbackwards in devolpment its a chees way to extend the life of avery shallow end game.

First off how do we know your not the retarded player. As a tank i am always blown away how fast the group automaticaly blames the tank while the break CC , dont use CC and fail to focus fire any targets. half the time people dont follow you when your leading them through short cuts and expecting tanks to control 8 to 10 mobs on 2 gold 4 silvers and 4 minions. there are several pulls in HM FP's that require CC and just general paying attention to the mobs. Jugg tanks have very little aggro management for multiple mobs and horrible DPS to hold multiple mobs so CC'ing is a must. and if your in an un expierenced group take charge mark targets explain mechanics . Behaving like a Douche and taking peoples loot who need it makes you the newb . though repair costs are a ridiculous money sink thats not the players fault its EAoware and the azz backwards devolpment of this game. you would have never survived in a game like early EQ 2, you would have been run off the server.

Its not the fact of making you do something for the credits or the repair costs its the ridiculously stupid content they make you do to grind it. make FP and SM ops drop more money. id prefer a corpse run to the current situation of running dailies over and over to fund raiding . the content on the planets absloutely sucks aside from the class quests and the lvling expierence. its not whine and cheese its the fact your forced to work at K mart every day so you can raid once a week and if your doing SM ops for comms and FP from the group finder your guaranteed exorbident expenses to gear progress. Make the content harder and the repair cost less , the cart is Before the horse here in devolpment .

1).From day one this game was devolped with azz backwards approach. From enrage timer with very little actual engaging mechanics. making the content easily done in all tiers.until you hit the final tier of HM ops. Completeing HM FP's should pay much more then they do to give an alternative at least FP's are only half as boring as those ridiculous dailies. At this point it is very clear EAoware will just continue its regurgatation process of its devolpment process, Yay recolored vanity items for the win! 2). Money sink was the primary reason i unsubbed back in febuary 2012 and did not return until recently. the only reason i have any money at all is because i had to do dailies to grind for the new relics. For those of the player base that are comfortable in their gear progression and working on the final HM ops you are forced to do those lame dailies to continue in raid progression. 3). there is very very little end game as it is. it would have been more pudent to remove purchasable set gear and make the Drops rare in HM FP's and OPS with a tier between Blue and purple. i dont consider orange a tier as it is used primarily for looks. forcing our repetive grind on easy mode daily quests over and over is the most horrid concept of MMO devolpment ive ever expierenced. at least Rift hid this much better and forced the content into its instances with amuch broader gear progression.

I agree with both of you, that said you cant always control or communicate the proper tactics with people in the GF. We should have some comparable abilitiy or abilities to PT and assassin for large spread out mob placement. I am not suggesting Juggs are broken but we know full well what happens with new content coming up here. When its no longer in exercise in how fast but how good people will always go with what ever makes their job easier. People will automatically want Assassin tank or PT for new content and that will be rough on the Jugg mains that raid and do HM FP's.

I am curious as to what the break down of the actuall Dev dollars were minus the VO's and Marketing and cutscenes. The hero Engine was realtively cheap for them. I suspect that BW just had completely flawed focus groups on how to structure the game and what features to include. I do agree they could not do any worse as far as devolpment but it makes zero sense because Ohlen is for all intents and purposes a phenomanaly talented game designer. And so was most of the leads in this game. It's quite possible EA gave them the recipe and they just added ingredients .

Unfortunately there is a lot of truth in what you say. From pre launch and opening of the forums in 2008 many community members posted with there concern in the linearity of completely driven by story world design. and the lack of any actuall MMO feature set being talked about , all we heard is were not stupid of course we know how to make a MMO. The only company thats even remotely talking bout Sandbox features and hybrinding the theme park content is EQ next , sony seems to be the only company willing to put millions and millions into a game with sand box features which is odd as that was what really made MMO's so popular. The facts are anyone who had talent from the BW left a long time ago same with the war hammer franchise. The largest of the talent pool right now is at Trion and Zenimax studios , though in all honesty TOR is thriving even with its lack of content and path of cookie cutter item drops into the cartel market. If EA were smart they would of held onto those people and threw another 50 60 mil at this game to expand it and put some cool features in it to keep even the unsubbers interested in coming back. I suspect though they just now broke even on thier initial investment of 300 mil. I dont know why they would spend 500 million on bioware and then fire everyone . EA has the reverse effect of midas touch lol, they esstinaly have some of the coolest IP's to date and no ability to do anything with them. Im suprised they have not tried to by Lord of the rings and D&D.

Any plans to re vamp juggs aggro managment its a little wonky on multiple targets not as fluid as the other two classes.

this is true there has been more itmes added to that market then bugs fixed in last year, now they are gonna deploy a content patch with out it being on PTS. For all the failings of rift generic game play and clone wow and EQ 2 game play the dev team over there is solid gold, not one MMO devolper can claim the content rift has added for free let alone a massive expansion that Dwarfs most games intial release. I seriously fear for the MMO genre corperate americas saw WOW's success and now every MMO has become a new fast food franchinse its absloutely discouraging same damn menu with different names and no nutritional value. tastes good the first time but you cant digest it in the long run. Truth is if if TOR would have spent less money on Advertising and voice overs we would actually be playing a full fledged MMO instead of a single player CO op with bolt on MMO features

Hahahaha ohlen does not even work for EAoware anymore. he is at zenimax , they should remove all posts from Devs that were fired

This i do not doubt. but a year into the game the direction and content quanity of patches is severly underwhelming when you compare it to games like Rift that just pump quality content out and have a very open door policy about what they are doing with upcoming patches. That said TOR is a fun game but BW was very slow in adding to game and now the game being under EA control i am sure it will become even less consitent and very generic. i doubt we will ever see a qrtr of the features BW promised as the soon catagory like Guild ships, Dual specs , customisation on ships and such. I d put a years sub on this game we will likely never see those features in this game if they do it will be years and years out. TOR was a very stripped down game in the MMO feature set pre launch their were some very vocal community members that were warning BW about the lack of actuall MMO features in game in closed beta. Its a fun game but at the last anaylsis its a Co op single player with bolt on MMO features. i dont expect much of anything from this game in the coming years, its a decent default game to fall back on as it requires no commitment to it our its community .

They are just milking people now at this point. i played at launch for six weeks and am not a huge alt guys so when i capped with my main there was very little to do but grind HM 8 mans for rakata so i quit for a year.. i am a resubscriber for the time being now, the F2P is really to limiting. if they have any hope of reinvigorating this game they need to devolp a full blown expansion with 3 new end game planets 7 new FP and 3 new raids plus a plethora of new features. id pay 40 bucks for it if they did a traditional expansion like rift just did. Sadly though EA is involved youll see TOR got the way of Warhammer i am pretty sure.

This game has been mismanged start to finish . i wish the original pre release forums were still here so we could necro some community concerns. But that said there are really good aspects of the game that are invetive and original i still like tha gme it just holds very little end game longevity

Whats the activty lvl of guild lookinfg for end game really Adult life style wife and kidss. playtimes are after 7 mon thru firday sporadic on weekends

This is not the answer. Elimanating roles completey waters down team play. Look at gw2 everyone is a dps class dungeons are zerg fests on bosses. If is the worst group.play expierence ive ever had in an mmo what we need is more roles not jus tank heal and dps. We need to return to 6 roles adding true cc and true buffing and debuffing. We have totaly lost what mmos really are.