Beniboybling Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Uhm...? No. Unless you are a follower of the heretic Darth Krayt.And he doesn't want to wipe everything out of existence. The Sith and the Dark Side offers power,for power's sake,among other things,which are not the lack of existence of ... everything. * * * You say i have to disprove all of them,as if they were ever proven in the first place. The only thing he has in common with the sith is that he was born of the sith race.That's all.And this is were the problem lies. Everyone assumes that the Sith Code is a path is just a path to power and it ends their, and therefore see the Sith Emperor as abject to this. But this is the number one failing of why the Code goes unfulfilled. Because they forget that there are three more lines after that, that the Sith Code is about freedom. To quote Yuthura Ban: "One who has freed themselves from all restrictions has reached perfection… their potential fulfilled. Perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny." Perfect strength, perfect power, perfect destiny. How can one achieve perfect strength and power if others exist to hold power in the universe? Perfect power must be absolute. And how can one achieve perfect destiny if one is destined to die, at the hands of old age (the Force) or at the hands or another? Only through absolute immortality. The full potential of the Sith Emperor is total dominance over the universe. I'd argue that no other Sith has ever been truer to the Sith Code than the Emperor, only he actually perceived the perfect goal of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) said to entice Anakin further ,because he wants peace ,and to gloat about the destruction of the jedi. Edited October 6, 2013 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Ok so you are basically saying that i am a socialist even if i destroy Earth and all other socialists?Nevermind the fact that nothing exists anymore,i can be a socialist in peace to all my liking and no1 can disturb me? Heeeey,hey, wait ,wait ,wait ,there is more! I achieved victory for socialism,because every1 on earth is a socialist now.Every1 is equal and there is no social inequality .Ofc every1 on earth is .... me. Superb i say! Apply this to every fantasy or real world teaching or world view that doesn't have explicitly the annihilation of everything in existence in its goals. Seriously i can't wrap my mind around how can you think Vitiate is a proper sith,unless stubbornly wanting to be on that position just for the sake of it. The guy is not a mortal and his goals are not ''mortal''.The goals of the sith concern themselves with things that are mortal and are concerned with how a being views the world,as a mortal.Vitiate doesn't.Explain to me the similarities between socialism and Sith philosophy. To be a Sith is to be free from everything and everyone. It is to be absolute power. Socialism is about sharing power amongst others, they couldn't be more different. And if you think this is an extension of be bashing the Sith Emperor it is not, in fact I admire him for being the only Sith to actually understand the Sith Code and look beyond simple power. Please do not insult my philosophical views based on a non-existent biased. I respect it if you agree to disagree but I won't be laughed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Ok so you are basically saying that i am a socialist even if i destroy Earth and all other socialists?Nevermind the fact that nothing exists anymore,i can be a socialist in peace to all my liking and no1 can disturb me? Heeeey,hey, wait ,wait ,wait ,there is more! I achieved victory for socialism,because every1 on earth is a socialist now.Every1 is equal and there is no social inequality .Ofc every1 on earth is .... me. Superb i say! Apply this to every fantasy or real world teaching or world view that doesn't have explicitly the annihilation of everything in existence in its goals. Seriously i can't wrap my mind around how can you think Vitiate is a proper sith,unless stubbornly wanting to be on that position just for the sake of it. The guy is not a mortal and his goals are not ''mortal''.The goals of the sith concern themselves with things that are mortal and are concerned with how a being views the world,as a mortal.Vitiate doesn't. Vitiate is still mortal he can still be killed that's the whole point of consuming the galaxy. until he does that he isn't immortal yet so he has Mortal goals of becoming immortal. Socialism is against destroying everything because its basic principle is based on everyone being equal in life if you kill everyone you are the only one in life thus not everyone is equal in life and ultimately a economic position has little to nothing to do with a Philisophical one like that of the Jedi or the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) said to entice Anakin further ,because he wants peace ,and to gloat about the destruction of the jedi.So you think that the Sith Emperor wanted war and rebellion? Of course he didn't. He wanted peace. Anakin is a Sith Lord as well remember, and what did he want? He wanted peace, order. So did Darth Caedus is I recall. My point here is that their is a distinction between peace/serenity in relation to the Force and peace/serenity in relation to reality. To draw on the dark side you have to use your passions, you cannot achieve this through inner peace. And the Sith Emperor does not do this, this is what the Jedi Code is trying to say. Its about inner calm not outer calm. But peace in the galaxy is a goal that both Sith and Jedi can share. Edited October 6, 2013 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I won't be laughed at. You assume too much.The above mentioned post was a continuation of what i had to say,without even looking at other posts or responding to them.I didn't even notice what you and the other guy said before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 You assume too much.The above mentioned post was a continuation of what i had to say,without even looking at other posts or responding to them.I didn't even notice what you and the other guy said before that.Well it would help if you quoted in this hailstorm of posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 The "Sith Emperor" is a "Sith" not a....... what ever it is they are saying he is. Why? /5char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 So you think that the Sith Emperor wanted war and rebellion? Of course he didn't. He wanted peace. Anakin is a Sith Lord as well remember, and what did he want? He wanted peace, order. No no, he most certainly wanted War and Rebellion.... That was the entire point of the Cold War, the Sith would have won easily if the Emperor had wished it, he just wanted a long drawn out conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 So exactly what is the point of this argument that is going on now?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 So exactly what is the point of this argument that is going on now?? I don't think anyone's quite sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Why? /5char Not really sure any more. I think the whole thing was some one acknowledge Sidious as the greatest sith but doesn't think the "Sith emperor" is actually a sith but by his title and by the tenants of the sith code he is a sith. Its just I said one line about how the Sith emperor was technically a sith by title and got dragged into a debate because of it lol. I usually stay out of the threads labeled as Emperor vs Sidious because I find them to be ridiculous most of the time and here I am...... argueing ...... what have I done...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) So exactly what is the point of this argument that is going on now?? It's part of the Vitiate> Sidious shenanigans.Vitiate not being a mortal and Sith,still makes Sidious the most powerful Sith Lord ever.Hell even the Son isn't as evil as Vitiate. It's beating a dead horse ,but it needed to be done,no1 was posting here for too long. Edited October 6, 2013 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xakthul Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 I don't even..... what happened here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 It's part of the Vitiate> Sidious shenanigans.Vitiate not being a mortal and Sith,still makes Sidious the most powerful Sith Lord ever.Hell even the Son isn't as evil as Vitiate. It's beating a dead horse ,but something had to be done,no1 was posting here for too long. he got it pretty much straight out..... the whole Vitiate is not a sith and Vitiate is more powerful then Sidious shenanigans and reason I normally stay out of these is how I got pulled in..... what was I thinking trying to actually argue something that I swear has 10 threads built on this same topic with the same conclusions always being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 No no, he most certainly wanted War and Rebellion.... That was the entire point of the Cold War, the Sith would have won easily if the Emperor had wished it, he just wanted a long drawn out conflict.Sorry I mean Sidious. Sidious did not want war and Rebellion, he certainly wasn't happy when the Galactic Civil War started and wanted nothing more but to end it. But regardless all your proving here is that the Sith Emperor isn't devoted to peace. Though my main point is Sith can aspire for peace and still follow the Sith Code. Anyway the Cold War was Revan's doing. Revan manipulated the Emperor, nah nah nah nah nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Sorry I mean Sidious. Sidious did not want war and Rebellion, he certainly wasn't happy when the Galactic Civil War started and wanted nothing more but to end it. But regardless all your proving here is that the Sith Emperor isn't devoted to peace. Though my main point is Sith can aspire for peace and still follow the Sith Code. Anyway the Cold War was Revan's doing. Revan manipulated the Emperor, nah nah nah nah nah. *Tries to figure out what tune to sing Nah nah nah nah nah to* Ok then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 *Tries to figure out what tune to sing Nah nah nah nah nah to* Ok then! Sing it in that mocky, childish, sing-songy way. Long syllable followed by two short syllables, followed by what the hell I am doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) I usually stay out of the threads labeled as Emperor vs Sidious because I find them to be ridiculous most of the time and here I am...... argueing ...... what have I done...... What's not to like?The entertainment value is too great to miss.Especially when Purple,Orange(or is it Yellow) and Dark Green gets thrown in the mix. Edited October 6, 2013 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 What's not to like?The entertainment value is too great to miss.Especially when Purple,Orange(or is it Yellow) and Dark Green gets thrown in the mix. Yeah I know, it adds a whole knew meaning to color mixing. Purple + Gold + Dark Green = bad@ss butt kicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) Yeah I know, it adds a whole knew meaning to color mixing. Purple + Gold + Dark Green = bad@ss butt kicking. if you say so and ... among other things Gold damn it! Edited October 6, 2013 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Yeah I know, it adds a whole knew meaning to color mixing. Purple + Gold + Dark Green = bad@ss butt kicking. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 damn it! Not sure how you missed that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 damn it!Orange is for the rabble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 So let me get this straight: the current argument is that if Vitiate isn't a Sith, then he is more powerful than Sidious? Or that he can be? /le sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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