Roadmap

[MadDutchman]

You seem like a reasonable person, but I feel you missed the whole point of Luke's story arc. Yes, you're correct about his story arc in the OT. But, you have to take a step further back to see his story arc across the entirety of the saga:

 

He was a brash young man. "All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was... what he was doing." I consider this Yoda quote to be the summary of early Luke. So this is what I see as the baseline of his story arc across the Saga and leads to my next point -->

 

He did consider striking Ben in TLJ, "for the briefest moment". Maybe the wisdom he once learned from Yoda finally sank in "“Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.” “Decide you must how to serve them best. If you leave now, help them you could, but you will destroy all for which they have fought and suffered.” In ESB, he did not learn that lesson and went off to save his friends. You can interpret if he made a mistake in doing so or not, but the lesson remained that he couldn't predict the future. In TLJ, you see that lesson sink in when he does spare Ben, both as a Teen and in TLJ itself by not coming and killing him.

 

Luke DID NOT KILL Ben, even when he has an army ready to destroy everyone Luke loves. Instead, he still is giving him a chance at redemption. I happen to be a big believer that Ben is turning to the light in Ep9, but regardless of whether it happens Luke found a way to give Ben another chance. Luke paid the price with his life so that nobody else would have to.

 

Let's compare that to what we saw in ROTJ. Luke was dressed in all black for a reason. He was on the edge of giving in to the dark side himself. He fought with aggression and that was a large part of how he was able to get the better of Vader. But in the end, the lessons he learned brought him back from the brink of darkness and he saw that maybe his father could also be redeemed. However for the balance of ROTJ he was bordering on the dark side himself.

 

Compare that with TLJ where he's portrayed as a paragon of the Light Side with one brief moment of darkness. Heroes aren't different than villians in never having a desire to do the wrong thing. What makes a hero is they turn away from that darkness. By the end of TLJ, I was extremely satisfied with the story arc of Luke's life and he absolutely had a fitting end.

 

Oh I'm not going to discount your view point here. I may not agree with it but I can see where you are coming from.

 

I'm aware that there are other, positive views of TLJ. Nothing is ever "all good" or "all bad." The point I am simply trying to make is that there are other (strong) negative opinions of TLJ that don't involve SJWs.

[AussieAlan]

If we can't get a road map, how about just telling us when we can use the new set bonus with the old one.

[DarthSpuds]

Star Wars will live on for sure, but the brand has been damaged imo. Ep 8 was an utterly terrible story and Solo was only marginally better imo. I never thought I'd yearn for the day that Lucas was writing Star Wars movies again, but I am...

 

^ This.

 

And it shows just how badly Disney got it wrong.

 

I mean it should be almost impossible to ruin Star Wars; but they can damned close.

 

 

All The Best

[DavidAtkinson]

• The entire movie centered around a space chase where ships are capable of FTL travel, yet they couldn't close the 100 yard gap between their lasers and the fleeing rebels...for the entire movie!!!

• Finnn isn't a good character. He's a coward who's been trying to run away for 2 movies now. I have no feelings towards his living or dying either way because he's an unimportant side show

• Rey is perfectly fine - love her character

• Luke was 100% not the Luke we last saw - he was freaking weird

• Kylo Ren isn't a "bad guy"...he's a confused character who I feel sorry for, not hatred for

• The main antagonist, Snoke, turned out to be a fake and died as quickly as he was introduced - that leaves a huge void in the "bad guy" department

• Hux isn't funny...he's just a human Jar Jar

• The entire "bombing run" was ridiculously stupid - it would have made sense in a WW2 movie, not Star Wars

• The entire casino thing was just a waste of time with nothing coming from it

• Captain Phantasma was another huge dud

 

I could literally go on and on about how many parts of the movie sucked...not ONE of my reasons has anything to do with SJW anything...it was just a complete travesty of a movie. Solo was no better - 99% of that is the horrible acting job of the dude playing Han...he was TERRIBLE!!! Everyone could have died at the end of Solo, like they did in Rogue One, and I sincerely wouldn't have cared. Again, nothing about SJW anything...just completely crap movies.

 

I disagree about Solo movie totally... I didn't go to the cinema to watch it because all the hate I saw on the net towards it and I thought it must be bad... I recently gave it a shot and I liked it a lot. For me it was really good.

 

The last Jedi was a mediocre movie because they brought in a guy who tried to show how good he is as a director and **it on everything we had before in ep7 and made his own version of a star wars movie. It was a huge mistake and Episode nine might be another dud as I don't see how It could fix the damage done by episode 8.

 

Force Awakens had it's flaws but it was still a good base story wise for the next two movies. Sadly TLJ totally failed to create anything meaningful as a SW movie and it was more like a parody film that totally ruined Rey's char, Luke, Kylo, Snoke and everyone that mattered. It was a movie that had too much stupid space fighting and very little story. TLJ was exactly as a AAA shooter game like Anthem. No soul in it.. just another quick cash grab movie by using the star wars name and honestly this game has turned in to the same thing over the years. It's just husk kept around to milk some money using the SW name. Don't believe me ? Look at the quality of the content we are getting.. The vanilla TOR game is a masterpiece compared to what they released recently.

 

Roadmap ? Meh... I am happy that the game is still around and I can play it.

Edited February 4, 2019 by DavidAtkinson

[TUXs]

So it didn't drive you away from the entire franchise, right?

 

IMHO a lot of the things people are claiming "damage" the brand, like more female characters, more ethnic and age diversity, and more acceptance of different orientations, are things that should have been part of the equation before now. If one wants to talk about Disney throwing too much Star Wars on the market in too short a time, letting the GoT people touch the films and not managing its license for video games better it's one thing - Disney should be breathing down EA's neck to properly care for this particular game IMHO- but what people claim is "damage" in most cases doesn't seem to be about that.

It didn't drive ME away, but it ensured that my wife will never watch another Star Wars movie ever again (Solo did that) and my sons and my brother have lost most of their interest in Star Wars as a result of the past 2 movies. In fact, my one son hasn't even seen Solo yet because TLJ was that bad in his mind (and mine).

 

It isn't about "too much Star Wars on the market"...it's about the quality of it.

[TUXs]

I disagree about Solo movie totally... I didn't go to the cinema to watch it because all the hate I saw on the net towards it and I thought it must be bad... I recently gave it a shot and I liked it a lot. For me it was really good.

Alden Ehrenreich was my major issue with Solo. He was a terrible choice and a worse actor. It's too iconic of a role to have gone to a bad actor.

[CaptRogue]

I disagree about Solo movie totally... I didn't go to the cinema to watch it because all the hate I saw on the net towards it and I thought it must be bad... I recently gave it a shot and I liked it a lot. For me it was really good.

 

The last Jedi was a mediocre movie because they brought in a guy who tried to show how good he is as a director and **it on everything we had before in ep7 and made his own version of a star wars movie. It was a huge mistake and Episode nine might be another dud as I don't see how It could fix the damage done by episode 8.

 

Force Awakens had it's flaws but it was still a good base story wise for the next two movies. Sadly TLJ totally failed to create anything meaningful as a SW movie and it was more like a parody film that totally ruined Rey's char, Luke, Kylo, Snoke and everyone that mattered. It was a movie that had too much stupid space fighting and very little story. TLJ was exactly as a AAA shooter game like Anthem. No soul in it.. just another quick cash grab movie by using the star wars name and honestly this game has turned in to the same thing over the years. It's just husk kept around to milk some money using the SW name. Don't believe me ? Look at the quality of the content we are getting.. The vanilla TOR game is a masterpiece compared to what they released recently.

 

Roadmap ? Meh... I am happy that the game is still around and I can play it.

 

Bolded & underlined the important part!!

 

Star Wars growing up vs SW today...hands down growing up.

I can't stand the new Trilogy. The spin offs are junk. (Rogue One, the parts I did watch is NOT as bad. But still, why a movie about then?!) Solo, yuck! Went to bed when hubby watched that after a bit.

 

Disney has ruined the Star Wars name & is just trying to make as much money off it before they throw it to the back never to be seen for years & years.

It's despicable.

Those aren't Star Wars movies, those are cheap knock offs, like Fan fiction. (Granted that might be an insult to Fan fic. lol) Name brand vs store brand at a cheap grocery store...lol

 

As for the road map, I have never seen the reason to have a huge hype over it. Granted I like knowing what to look forward too. But it's not like "OMGOSH I NEED THE ROADMAP NAOOOOO!!!".

[EricMusco]

are we getting anytime soon?

 

Hey folks,

 

Right now I don't believe there are any plans for a formal roadmap in the coming weeks. To calm any concerns, that isn't because there isn't stuff happening this year, but we have been making an effort to give you more visibility into content sooner via PTS. With that in mind, here are some details:

• 5.10.1 is on PTS now, which you already know. That will come out in the next couple of weeks, more details on timing this week.
  
• After 5.10.1 is out the door, look for details on 5.10.2 going to PTS.
  
• We are still locking down details so I can't announce anything just yet, but we fully intend to be at SW Celebration this year. Which seems like a great place to reveal more details on what is coming this year.

 

Thanks all.

 

-eric

[GrimTheGlutt]

Hey folks,

 

Right now I don't believe there are any plans for a formal roadmap in the coming weeks. To calm any concerns, that isn't because there isn't stuff happening this year, but we have been making an effort to give you more visibility into content sooner via PTS. With that in mind, here are some details:

• 5.10.1 is on PTS now, which you already know. That will come out in the next couple of weeks, more details on timing this week.
  
• After 5.10.1 is out the door, look for details on 5.10.2 going to PTS.
  
• We are still locking down details so I can't announce anything just yet, but we fully intend to be at SW Celebration this year. Which seems like a great place to reveal more details on what is coming this year.

 

Thanks all.

 

-eric

 

 

We have to wait until April to hear what *may* come out later in the year... Really!

 

What about bug fixes, and what are you doing about gearing? We do not need to wait til April to hear about this garbage we are suffering with!

Edited February 4, 2019 by GrimTheGlutt

[FlameYOL]

Hey folks,

 

Right now I don't believe there are any plans for a formal roadmap in the coming weeks. To calm any concerns, that isn't because there isn't stuff happening this year, but we have been making an effort to give you more visibility into content sooner via PTS. With that in mind, here are some details:

• 5.10.1 is on PTS now, which you already know. That will come out in the next couple of weeks, more details on timing this week.
  
• After 5.10.1 is out the door, look for details on 5.10.2 going to PTS.
  
• We are still locking down details so I can't announce anything just yet, but we fully intend to be at SW Celebration this year. Which seems like a great place to reveal more details on what is coming this year.

 

Thanks all.

 

-eric

 

Thank you for the update, Musco. It's good to hear you're planning on showing us something at Celebration.

[TUXs]

We have to wait until April to hear what *may* come out later in the year... Really!

 

What about bug fixes, and what are you doing about gearing? We do not need to wait til April to hear about this garbage we are suffering with!

 

In April you'll get a 'taste' of what is to come...nothing big will be released until fall at the earliest.

[omaan]

Hey folks,

 

Right now I don't believe there are any plans for a formal roadmap in the coming weeks. To calm any concerns, that isn't because there isn't stuff happening this year, but we have been making an effort to give you more visibility into content sooner via PTS. With that in mind, here are some details:

• 5.10.1 is on PTS now, which you already know. That will come out in the next couple of weeks, more details on timing this week.
  
• After 5.10.1 is out the door, look for details on 5.10.2 going to PTS.
  
• We are still locking down details so I can't announce anything just yet, but we fully intend to be at SW Celebration this year. Which seems like a great place to reveal more details on what is coming this year.

 

Thanks all.

 

-eric

 

Can we expect 5.10.1 somewhere near 19 of february?

[Paulsutherland]

Hey folks,

 

Right now I don't believe there are any plans for a formal roadmap in the coming weeks. To calm any concerns, that isn't because there isn't stuff happening this year, but we have been making an effort to give you more visibility into content sooner via PTS. With that in mind, here are some details:

• 5.10.1 is on PTS now, which you already know. That will come out in the next couple of weeks, more details on timing this week.
  
• After 5.10.1 is out the door, look for details on 5.10.2 going to PTS.
  
• We are still locking down details so I can't announce anything just yet, but we fully intend to be at SW Celebration this year. Which seems like a great place to reveal more details on what is coming this year.

 

Thanks all.

 

-eric

 

So what is coming with 10.1 & 10.2? Give me a reason to subscribe!

[olagatonjedi]

Hey folks,

 

Right now I don't believe there are any plans for a formal roadmap in the coming weeks. To calm any concerns, that isn't because there isn't stuff happening this year, but we have been making an effort to give you more visibility into content sooner via PTS. With that in mind, here are some details:

• 5.10.1 is on PTS now, which you already know. That will come out in the next couple of weeks, more details on timing this week.
  
• After 5.10.1 is out the door, look for details on 5.10.2 going to PTS.
  
• We are still locking down details so I can't announce anything just yet, but we fully intend to be at SW Celebration this year. Which seems like a great place to reveal more details on what is coming this year.

 

Thanks all.

 

-eric

Thanks for the update. Gonna go back to enjoying the game!

[MikeTheDuke]

Thanks for the minor update Eric, but I do find it odd that we have more visibility of content through the use of the PTS but we haven't heard anything regarding anything coming for releases even tiny morsels that might sate for the moment until the greater release of more information for a significant amount of time. last year, and we are in February.

 

This does get people frustrated especially with talk of great visibility of content. I also believe people would love to know or even have you release a pure bug fix patch, fixing those niggling issues, ones which have been there since 5.10 release and even longer, we do get to see this greater transparency of thing coming content and then like clockwork we see it drop off and slowly fade until there is a realisation the visibility has slipped and it is ramped up again, I speak for myself but the level of content we were getting with live streams and posts heading into 5.10 was really good, many would like to see that rather than browsing the Dev Tracker forum only to see some talk regarding issues being raised or something already on the PTS (that is how I have felt this year so far, a dearth of information does not keep a fan base satiated).

 

We all want content, content free from as many bugs as possible and we all wish there was a great level of communication consistently rather than just when there is disquiet regarding said level of communication.

 

Keep working but understand we fans do want to know what is coming and not get told we won't be telling you things like before (I.E. no formal roadmap, am curious why that is). Also SW Celebration is w while away, hoping this will not be the only thing we hear, is 5.10.1 coming soon and we will tell you more about 5.10.2 soon and wait until April when we reveal all our plans (hopefully live streamed for those who cannot make the trip).

Edited February 4, 2019 by MikeTheDuke

[Ylliarus]

Hey folks,

 

Right now I don't believe there are any plans for a formal roadmap in the coming weeks. To calm any concerns, that isn't because there isn't stuff happening this year, but we have been making an effort to give you more visibility into content sooner via PTS. With that in mind, here are some details:

• 5.10.1 is on PTS now, which you already know. That will come out in the next couple of weeks, more details on timing this week.
  
• After 5.10.1 is out the door, look for details on 5.10.2 going to PTS.
  
• We are still locking down details so I can't announce anything just yet, but we fully intend to be at SW Celebration this year. Which seems like a great place to reveal more details on what is coming this year.

 

Thanks all.

 

-eric

 

Aah... SW Celebration you say? That sounds like an excellent time to reveal a new trailer for the next expansion

[limenutpen]

I just re-subbed since 2 years, and this patch 5.10 has been one of the most healthy the game ever had.

 

There is activity a lot in my server (Darth Malgus EU), and even if the bosses lag (the big bug a bit too much), I have not seen so much community in the game possibly since the Gree event at 1.7, and Illum at 1,1 till 1,2.

Not doing a road map is giving a de-service to us subscribers, if our interest (euro or $) are at your attention.

[Totemdancer]

Hey folks,

 

Right now I don't believe there are any plans for a formal roadmap in the coming weeks. To calm any concerns, that isn't because there isn't stuff happening this year, but we have been making an effort to give you more visibility into content sooner via PTS. With that in mind, here are some details:

• 5.10.1 is on PTS now, which you already know. That will come out in the next couple of weeks, more details on timing this week.
  
• After 5.10.1 is out the door, look for details on 5.10.2 going to PTS.
  
• We are still locking down details so I can't announce anything just yet, but we fully intend to be at SW Celebration this year. Which seems like a great place to reveal more details on what is coming this year.

 

Thanks all.

 

-eric

 

I guess Anthem is taking up too much of everyone’s time?

[annabethchase]

I unsubscribed about a week ago due to the lack of content or even a roadmap. Sounds like I won't be subscribing again until after SW Celebration.

 

I want to give you money, but I can't pay you for not updating the game. That's not a reasonable expectation for customers to pay for nothing.

[olagatonjedi]

I unsubscribed about a week ago due to the lack of content or even a roadmap. Sounds like I won't be subscribing again until after SW Celebration.

 

I want to give you money, but I can't pay you for not updating the game. That's not a reasonable expectation for customers to pay for nothing.

Monthly access payment is for access to the world, not necessarily new content, or at least not guaranteed new content.

[Toraak]

I unsubscribed about a week ago due to the lack of content or even a roadmap. Sounds like I won't be subscribing again until after SW Celebration.

 

I want to give you money, but I can't pay you for not updating the game. That's not a reasonable expectation for customers to pay for nothing.

 

You don't pay a subscription for updates. Your subscription pays for you to have full access to every part of the game, with zero limitations like the ones F2P or preferred players have.

[Goreshaga]

About the movies, well i actually enjoyed the prequel trilogy, but not the sequel trilogy so far. TFA was pretty much a copy/paste of ANH, and TLJ, i ended up kinda liking it more because at least it was different, but i did not like it that much.

Rogue One was a nice surprise and while i was not really thrilled with Solo at first, i liked it more than TFA and TLJ in the end.

 

Not the biggest fan of Anakin but he's still a much more interesting character than Rey (and i say that as a woman who mainly play female toons in this game)

Anakin was a Mary Sue (or the male equivalent of a MS), but it was kinda ok as it was pretty much the point of his journey as a character because he was ultimately destined to fail and fall, and we already knew it as we already knew he would become Vador.

Rey is a Mary Sue as well, but worse than that i find her to be a trully bland and uninteresting character. Yeah, she's good at everything, and is super powerfull, but she never really change as she quite doesn't need to, she never looses and i'd be completely unable to say what her personnality trully is

I ended up not caring at all for the main character, which is quite sad

 

I'd take Samantha Carter from Stargate SG1, Brienne of Tarth or Arya Stark from GoT, Kahlan, Cara or Nicci from The Sword of Truth and Ahsoka over Rey everytime. They are good and strong female characters. And none of them is completely OP without any explaination. The most OP of this list would probably be Kahlan and Nicci, but one is a Confessor, descendant from a long line of Confessors who spend her whole life mastering her abilities, and the other one was a gifted magician who gained more powers from absorbing wizzards magic and a pact with The Keeper and who spent at least a century in training.

So far Rey is super powerfull with no explaination and no training that we know of, and that's frustrating.

Maybe Ep 9 will give a good explaination, and i may change my mind though, but i'm not holding my breath too much on this as ep 8 was a good opportunity for that.

 

Then Kylo Ren, well, what's to say besides he trully sucks at being a bad guy ?

Finn, is not much more interesting than Rey

Rose is completely forgettable

I like Poe, but that's pretty much it

And Snoke is a waste of potential, unless he's not dead and tricked Kylo in believing he killed him.

 

None of them can compare to young Obi-Wan, i think he's the main reason i liked the prequels actually. And i was curious to see how Anakin went from a nice kid to Vador too.

 

They wanted to have strong female characters, but IMO, they completely failed at having good and interesting characters to begin with

[digimass]

no need for a roadmap when you're gonna get your ip licensing pulled before xmas….

[phalczen]

You don't pay a subscription for updates. Your subscription pays for you to have full access to every part of the game, with zero limitations like the ones F2P or preferred players have.

 

But that’s not really true, is it? If the business model changes such that there are no more paid expansions and expansion level content is exclusive to subs, as 4.0 and 5.0 have been (was there a pre-order for SoR?), then to that extent, yes subs do pay for more than just access to the world. This has in fact been the business model for more than 3 years now. Subscription is an ongoing investment into the game publisher as much as any steady revenue stream. We as subscribers have very little in terms of legal “rights” as regards content... this is all spelled out in the EULA as you know. But at least since 4.0 subscription pays for new content.

 

I guess we will see if the model changes again with 6.0

[ivanhedgehog]

You don't pay a subscription for updates. Your subscription pays for you to have full access to every part of the game, with zero limitations like the ones F2P or preferred players have.

 

YOU dont pay a subscription for the updates. You dont get to decide for others why they pay. I pay a subscription just for the excellent forum pvp against bioware apologists. Other people do it for their own reasons. You might be a closet brony that uses swtor to hide his my little pony addiction, who knows. People want information on what and when fixes will happen for the myriad bugs left for the dev 2 month vacation. Currently they are choosing to leave a vacuum and nature abhores that. People are filling the deafening silence left by the devs abandonment of the game with whatever explanation looks plausible. The devs could change this, but choose not to. They might still be serving the 60 days sentence from that incident at the christmas party.