FourPawnBenoni Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Great job EA...you continue to kill off the game Will deniers still deny? This is even after mergers Edited June 26, 2018 by FourPawnBenoni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toraak Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) the number of people on fleet doesn't show how many people are actually playing on the server at the time. This number is meaningless. People are in SH's, or out actually on planets playing the game. Not to mention your only looking at the republic. How many people play imperial? Edited June 26, 2018 by Toraak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerileth Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) EDIT: Whatever. Edited May 17, 2021 by Zerileth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourPawnBenoni Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 the number of people on fleet doesn't show how many people are actually playing on the server at the time. This number is meaningless. People are in SH's, or out actually playing the game. Ah yes, the inevitable "fleet numbers are meaningless"...despite the fact that throughout the history of the game it's been observed that its actually a good indicator of population. As fleet numbers go down, so does overall population. Before mergers, there would be only 1 instance...then after mergers all of a sudden for a few months we had 2 or 3 instances. Surprisingly, when we have 2 or 3 instances, wz pops are faster, flashpoint pops are faster, guilds are more full. Then when we have one instance, I wait over an hour for a midbie pop, see the same people in 70 war zones every match and the GTN sales are slow. Yet, according to Toraak and others it's "meaningless". The deniers really crack me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenariusJay Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) the number of people on fleet doesn't show how many people are actually playing on the server at the time. This number is meaningless. People are in SH's, or out actually on planets playing the game. Not to mention your only looking at the republic. How many people play imperial? Been hearing this exact same excuse since game launch. Not valid anymore. The lack of updates and the trickle content has put the nail in the coffin for this game. Just enjoy whats left and have fun. Stop making excuses. Edited June 26, 2018 by DenariusJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Also remember it's the end of June, the low population really should be noticed. There is no significant population increase this month, does it mean that young ppl are no longer interested in this game? Edited June 26, 2018 by Slowpokeking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Been hearing this exact same excuse since game launch. Not valid anymore. The lack of updates and the trickle content has put the nail in the coffin for this game. Just enjoy whats left and have fun. Stop making excuses. Lack of new content Some new content doesn't please current players A lot of the current content require bug fix/revamp Some really bad adjustment they've made I think if they can't make enough new content, at least make a big overhaul patch to fix all the current ones. Edited June 26, 2018 by Slowpokeking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahana Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 the number of people on fleet doesn't show how many people are actually playing on the server at the time. This number is meaningless. People are in SH's, or out actually on planets playing the game. Not to mention your only looking at the republic. How many people play imperial? Sorry that excuse doesn't fly anymore.. After the merger there were three instances on SS fleet.. Each with well over 150 players each. Not to mention that starter planets had 5 or more instances. What new content we have received has been beaten over and over multiple times already.. Yes it is summer and there is always a historic summer abandonment of MMO games.. But seriously it is getting bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Sorry that excuse doesn't fly anymore.. After the merger there were three instances on SS fleet.. Each with well over 150 players each. Not to mention that starter planets had 5 or more instances. What new content we have received has been beaten over and over multiple times already.. Yes it is summer and there is always a historic summer abandonment of MMO games.. But seriously it is getting bad. No, I noticed that the population didn't change much between May and June. Usually in summer there are more players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toraak Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) I don'\t deny the population may be shrinking from lack of content, however people continue to use only Fleet numbers to indicate this. This idea is wrong. Ever since SH's came out into the game less people spend time on Fleet. I've been in many guilds on various characters/servers, and many people spend time in SH's or out on planets instead. They go to fleet only for PvP/GSF dailies/weeklies, picking up dailies, or Operation quests, or last looking for pugs. So all i'm saying is just looking at Fleet numbers is not a good indicator of how low the population is, and as I said the OP only listed Republic fleet in his/her comment which means they are not even considering how many are on imperial side or off of Fleet. Edit: something to consider as well. Satele Shan server is also the less populated of the 2 NA servers. The population there is mainly Harbringer, and a few from BC, the tiny amount from Bastion. SF however got 3 decently populated servers merged into one (TeH, SL, and JC) + the 2 PvP servers which were dead like Bastion. Edited June 26, 2018 by Toraak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keta Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 the number of people on fleet doesn't show how many people are actually playing on the server at the time. This number is meaningless. People are in SH's, or out actually on planets playing the game. Not to mention your only looking at the republic. How many people play imperial? You're correct, the only time I'm on fleet is when I'm passing through .. vendors that can't be found elsewhere (a few), flash points that have to start there or I pressed the wrong button. Otherwise I'm never there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandelynRain Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I also avoid the fleet like the plaque when I am on, and if I find I need to I am in and out as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JattaGin Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 the number of people on fleet doesn't show how many people are actually playing on the server at the time. This number is meaningless. People are in SH's, or out actually on planets playing the game We have to make this our new Swtor Drinking Game! Anytime someone claims this, we have to take a shot. We just had the same discussion for Darth Malgus. Fleet numbers have always been an indicator. 75 at prime time is bad for a merged server. How many servers were merged into Satele Shan? 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) My observation at 6:30pm AEST (1:30am PST). SS Republic fleet = 19 people. One instance. SS Imperial fleet = 68 people. One instance. SF Republic fleet = 29 people, One instance. SF Imperial fleet = 2 instances, 67 people on one. The other is depopulating so I can find out how many. This is when I switch to DM to get some pvp. (It’s 9:30am GMT) Edited June 26, 2018 by TrixxieTriss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vember Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Ah yes, the inevitable "fleet numbers are meaningless"... I can tell you that for the last week at least, every night there have been two instances on Balmorra Imp side....the last time I saw that was around launch. Edited June 26, 2018 by Vember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Great job EA...you continue to kill off the game Will deniers still deny? This is even after mergers That's cuz everyone is partying on Nar Shaada - the casino was probably packed!!! I've never seen more than 2 other players there myself, but it's likely because there were so many instances of it...right? Or maybe everyone was running KOTET for the first time?! Or...um...other excuses... Let them deny it...the reality is perfectly clear to us, and Bioware. We don't need others to confirm the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 We have to make this our new Swtor Drinking Game! Anytime someone claims this, we have to take a shot. We just had the same discussion for Darth Malgus. Fleet numbers have always been an indicator. 75 at prime time is bad for a merged server. How many servers were merged into Satele Shan? 3? I'll drink to that Jatta!!! It's comical when people pretend Fleet numbers are meaningless...I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediQuaker Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Ah yes, the inevitable "fleet numbers are meaningless"...despite the fact that throughout the history of the game it's been observed that its actually a good indicator of population. . In the early days of the game there were: 1. Fewer other places to be. (Fewer planets, no Strongholds, no guild ships, etc) 2. No Group Finder 3, The Fleet was one of the main places to access the GTN, Storage, mail, etc, etc, Nowadays: 1. There are many more planets, plus your Odessen base, plus Strongholds (private and Guild), etc, etc. 3. Group Finder means less need to hang around the Fleet looking for a group 4. No need to go to Fleet for GTN, Storage, Legacy Hold, etc, etc. So, no, there's is not much need to hang around the Fleet these days and the number of people on the Fleet is NOT an indication of the number of people in the game. Many people on here, like myself, can attest to the fact that they spend very little, if any, time on the Fleet. It's inevitable that someone says "fleet numbers are meaningless" because it's true, in spite of your "feelings" (Btw, the world is not flat either.) Edited June 26, 2018 by JediQuaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUXs Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 In the early days of the game there were: 1. Fewer other places to be. (Fewer planets, no Strongholds, no guild ships, etc) 2. No Group Finder 3, The Fleet was one of the main places to access the GTN, Storage, mail, etc, etc, Nowadays: 1. There are many more planets, plus your Odessen base, plus Strongholds (private and Guild), etc, etc. 3. Group Finder means less need to hang around the Fleet looking for a group 4. No need to go to Fleet for GTN, Storage, Legacy Hold, etc, etc. So, no, there's is not much need to hang around the Fleet these days and the number of people on the Fleet is NOT an indication of the number of people in the game. Many people on here, like myself, can attest to the fact that they spend very little, if any, time on the Fleet. It's inevitable that someone says "fleet numbers are meaningless" because it's true, in spite of your "feelings" Fleet is absolutely an indicator of a servers health. Denying it is just silly. Nothing has been added to the game in 3+ years to reduce Fleet popularity...you're acting like GF is new or SH's are new...they aren't. People like you, who never go to Fleet, don't impact Fleets declining numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrooperRCH Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Come to Star Forge. Always multiple Fleet instances for both Republic and Imperial, 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediQuaker Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 People like you, who never go to Fleet, don't impact Fleets declining numbers. I hope you realize what little sense that makes. Yes, people who don't go to the Fleet don't impact the Fleets numbers - duh. In fact, if there's no one on Fleet, I (and people who don't go to Fleet) are still playing anyway, even though you would declare the game dead. But let me make this a bit clearer. "Declining numbers" on the Fleet can indicate a decline in the number of players, but so can "declining numbers" just about anywhere. Declining numbers on Coruscant can indicate a declining population. The point is that not only does the number of players on Fleet not indicate the absolute number of players (like it once did), but given the number of recent post that say the numbers on Fleet are between 75 and 80 at some particular time, the number of players on the Fleet doesn't appear to be actually "declining" much. But don't worry, I'm sure that at some time in the future the game will actually end (the sun will eventually die) and you can say "see, I told you so" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptRogue Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Great job EA...you continue to kill off the game Will deniers still deny? This is even after mergers Why does it matter? If you don't like the game then quit. If you like the game just play it till either EA kills it or something new comes along. Don't get me wrong they need new content, but constantly having posts about how "fleet is dead = game is dead" does not help the game at all. Nor does it help any new players who might be inclined to spend money on game. I for one was actually in game last night, pub side, but NO I was not on fleet. I was actually on Hoth. When I'm in game I rarely ever am on fleet. I stand on guild ship & pay attention to fleet chat there. Guild ships do NOT count as fleet instances. There is also a good many reasons as to why the game wasn't as "packed" as you wanted it last night. It's summer; people go on vacation. It was Mon night; night before reset (no conquest, no weeklies if you've done them, etc...). How many were doing like I was actually doing, random quests just because? There isn't any denying the game has less players than the past. But to say it's dying when new players or old players are still returning isn't accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master_Morak Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) the number of people on fleet doesn't show how many people are actually playing on the server at the time. This number is meaningless. People are in SH's, or out actually on planets playing the game. Not to mention your only looking at the republic. How many people play imperial? Fanboy - the truth is that after 5.8 the Population declined. Before we have 2 instances with 100+ Players and now one with 80. What should happen that the Players now one other places? Before the patch the Players also made OPs, FPs and battlefields. Edited June 26, 2018 by Master_Morak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrooperRCH Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Not sure where my post went, so I'll post it again. Come to Star Forge. Always multiple Fleet instances for both sides, pretty much 24/7. Even some of the previously dead planets have a whole lot of people on them through out the day, regardless of time zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodrac Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Tython on Star Forge had 107. No idea what it was on fleet and that was at 1 a.m. EST. Just saying. Fleet ain't all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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