kirorx Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 They'll probably run the DvL event again, so that would be an excellent opportunity to give folks a chance to get Master Ranos. It wouldn't help me, specifically, since I already have her, but I see no reason to stick her behind some bizarre exclusivity lockout. While we're at it, I wouldn't mind a chance to get a (second) set of that sweet legacy armor, either. Agreed. Just keep her as an even reward and when the event comes back new people can earn her again. I like having stuff to achieve but having something that is impossible for new players to earn is pretty lame. I have been a subscriber since day zero and I certainly have no issue with people earning rewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshvara Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 But that's what i Must hear Eshvara. I sure wouldn't have the gall to tell others they don't have a right to characters like this. I'm not that much into ego. Well, I personally do not care. If they end up giving her away, big deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrutchCricket Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 You do realize its no one else's fault but yours if you chose not to do the event or commit to the required time for the others right You do realize it's not your business to comment on the blame or lack thereof in the context of this request, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theeko Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 You do realize it's not your business to comment on the blame or lack thereof in the context of this request, right? Everyone's decision matters not just yours almighty one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrutchCricket Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Everyone's decision matters not just yours almighty one Nope, our decisions don't matter in this case one bit. The only decision that matters is whether BioWare decides it is profitable to grant these requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratajack Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Nope, our decisions don't matter in this case one bit. The only decision that matters is whether BioWare decides it is profitable to grant these requests. It would appear that thus far they have felt it is not profitable, then, would it not? Or, is it possible that BW has thus far decided that is more important that they honor their implicit agreements with those that actually met the criteria to receive any of the past subscriber rewards, or other limited time rewards? Yes, I suppose that one day they might change their minds, but is it going to make them change their mind any sooner if those who covet those shinies they KNOW they are NOT entitled to have continue to pester BW like petulant children who's Mommy said they cannot have that cookie they want so desperately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theeko Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I do notice that, yes, same that i do notice rules are rules but they are not necessarily right. We have the prerogative to ask BW to return the DvL event, other events or other promotions, and it's their decision to answer. However, why another player would belittle or argue against it just makes no sense. The only reasons to argue against it, i already stated them in my previous post, they have to do with the personaly quality of each individual, and such people are just disgusting sad shadows of human beings, needing for others to be unhappy in order to feel happy themselves. There are those that simply don't care what they have and don't have, I don't care that I can't get the CE items at all unless I bought the CE, but you don't see me complaining to add them into the game for CM purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratajack Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I do notice that, yes, same that i do notice rules are rules but they are not necessarily right. We have the prerogative to ask BW to return the DvL event, other events or other promotions, and it's their decision to answer. However, why another player would belittle or argue against it just makes no sense. The only reasons to argue against it, i already stated them in my previous post, they have to do with the personaly quality of each individual, and such people are just disgusting sad shadows of human beings, needing for others to be unhappy in order to feel happy themselves. Johnny can play the victim and try to blame others (or paint them as big, bad, mean bullies whop get their jollies from "other's pain") for the results of his actions (or failure to act), but the truth of who is ultimately to blame remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrutchCricket Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) Yes, I suppose that one day they might change their minds, but is it going to make them change their mind any sooner if those who covet those shinies they KNOW they are NOT entitled to have continue to pester BW like petulant children who's Mommy said they cannot have that cookie they want so desperately? Yes, entitled elitistspeak aside, demonstrable demand would be indeed be one factor to encourage them to sell. There are those that simply don't care what they have and don't have, I don't care that I can't get the CE items at all unless I bought the CE, but you don't see me complaining to add them into the game for CM purchases. No, you only complain that other people want them. Which is worse. Edited November 16, 2017 by CrutchCricket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienEyeTX Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 If they ever did make her available to others (they won't), they should charge A LOT of money for her! That was an insane amount of grinding to earn her. I feel bad for anybody who actually slogged through all those requirements. I sure didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajuratus Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) Bioware said that Master Ranos or Darth Hexid would be an exclusive reward to those who attained the Eternal achievement, and that the companion we got would be dependent on whether the dark side or the light side won the Dark vs Light event. Since the light side got more points, Master Ranos was the companion that anyone who managed to achieve the Eternal rank of the DvL event obtained. Now they are making Darth Hexid available as part of the United Forces update, and in order to obtain her, you must either complete 3 flashpoints, or operations, or veteran uprisings through group finder and be eligible for the daily reward, or complete three warzones. Darth Hexid was always a potential reward for the DvL event, as was Master Ranos. Master Ranos BECAME the reward, so Darth Hexid ended up not being the reward. She is now becoming the reward for something unrelated to the DvL event. These rewards are both exclusive to their specific events, so why should there be another way to obtain them? Edited November 16, 2017 by Kajuratus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theeko Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Because I'm not the one trying to shut down people's requests and **** on their potential enjoyment because of "muh exclusives", sorry "muh implicit agreement™" when I have zero personal stake in the outcome. I mean, yes, technically I don't have a personal stake here either since I have most of what I want and thankfully nothing that I'm still gunning for falls under your precious "muh exclusives". But hey, he who fights monsters, right? And for the record, no I'm not calling you guys monsters, I'm just using the expression. Let's not get carried away. Yeah I also don't mean to argue but I also agree with the above poster they did mention they were exclusive rewards so they shouldn't come back, new rewards sure other jedi companions should take part in a part 2 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrutchCricket Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 These rewards are both exclusive to their specific events, so why should there be another way to obtain them? Because events can come back. And people want them. And BioWare is willing to give them. Two of those are a given. The latter of course remains to be seen. If it is false, none of this matters. Yeah I also don't mean to argue but I also agree with the above poster they did mention they were exclusive rewards so they shouldn't come back, new rewards sure other jedi companions should take part in a part 2 though. Well, we can agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeneas_Falco Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 You do realize its no one else's fault but yours if you chose not to do the event or commit to the required time for the others right That assumes that everyone who missed the event did so by choice. There are plenty of real world priorities that can cause a person to not have the time or ability to play SWTOR or other online games. The person you were responding to was absolutely correct. The majority of the people against others getting a shot to obtain Ranos hold that opinion because they want to feel special having something other players don't. There is literally no reason to oppose it if players still have to meet the same requirements to obtain her, other than people want to feel like they have something exclusive. It's sad. Like the person you responded to I have plenty of sub rewards that others don't, as well as the rewards from the Casino event last summer, and I have no problem with players who missed out an any or all of them getting another shot at it. My enjoyment of the game isn't rooted in having things other players don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyScruffy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) so does this mean they should unlock vendors and items that came as a preorder bonus for SOR? I would very much like those open, but I'm not going to since I missed out. and what about the anniversary awards? would love those, but missed out on those. oh well, it happens. if you can't be satisfied with the rest of the game open to you because you lost out on a few items, then really the issue is on you. and calling people entitled since they earned said items/content, really just makes you guys sounds entitled. Edited November 17, 2017 by CrazyScruffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienEyeTX Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 That assumes that everyone who missed the event did so by choice. There are plenty of real world priorities that can cause a person to not have the time or ability to play SWTOR or other online games. The person you were responding to was absolutely correct. The majority of the people against others getting a shot to obtain Ranos hold that opinion because they want to feel special having something other players don't. There is literally no reason to oppose it if players still have to meet the same requirements to obtain her, other than people want to feel like they have something exclusive. It's sad. Like the person you responded to I have plenty of sub rewards that others don't, as well as the rewards from the Casino event last summer, and I have no problem with players who missed out an any or all of them getting another shot at it. My enjoyment of the game isn't rooted in having things other players don't. Get off it. They stated what had to be done to earn the companion. Sometimes we miss out on things. That's ok. It'll just provide motivation to get the things you really want when they are available. RL takes priority, of course. But that doesn't change in-game circumstances. Priorities, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theeko Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Get off it. They stated what had to be done to earn the companion. Sometimes we miss out on things. That's ok. It'll just provide motivation to get the things you really want when they are available. RL takes priority, of course. But that doesn't change in-game circumstances. Priorities, right? ^, I want the CE items to be made available on the CM because I don't have them but you don't see me making posts about wanting them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holocron Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 ^, I want the CE items to be made available on the CM because I don't have them but you don't see me making posts about wanting them I personally want the Razer SE crystals, but same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeneas_Falco Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) Get off it. They stated what had to be done to earn the companion. Sometimes we miss out on things. That's ok. It'll just provide motivation to get the things you really want when they are available. RL takes priority, of course. But that doesn't change in-game circumstances. Priorities, right? I fail to see why the DvL event should be different than any other event. The Casino event, Bounty Week, Relics of the Gree, and the Rakghoul event all have rewards associated with them that are exclusive to their respective events. Each can also be obtained at a later date if a person missed out on the event, since those events come around more than once. If the DvL event returns as well, why shouldn't players get a second chance to obtain Ranos? Edited November 17, 2017 by Aeneas_Falco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienEyeTX Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I fail to see why the DvL event should be different than any other event. The Casino event, Bounty Week, Relics of the Gree, and the Rakghoul event all have rewards associated with them that are exclusive to their respective events. Each can also be obtained at a later date if a person missed out on the event, since those events come around more than once. If the DvL event returns as well, why shouldn't players get a second chance to obtain Ranos? Sure if they do DvL again. Why not? For what it's worth, I seriously doubt they will bring it back. It was nearly universally reviled. They should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keta Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 No. /5char This. I don't have Master Ramos because I didn't feel like doing everything it required. In my case I was exactly 1 step from getting it. Guess what? I don't get Master Ramos. Same is true for other things that were given out during various events that I was too busy to do or away at work. You weren't here? You don't get them. Get the ones that come available during the new events. Or wait for BW to sell them on the cartel market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theeko Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I fail to see why the DvL event should be different than any other event. The Casino event, Bounty Week, Relics of the Gree, and the Rakghoul event all have rewards associated with them that are exclusive to their respective events. Each can also be obtained at a later date if a person missed out on the event, since those events come around more than once. If the DvL event returns as well, why shouldn't players get a second chance to obtain Ranos? Because DvL was a summer long time event, it was a substitute for the Nar Shadda night life at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SourOrange Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 It always baffles me how people argue so strongly against giving people content and reward incentives for playing the game. All extreme exclusivity does is alienate new and unfortunate people, while giving others a false sense of superiority. That makes for both resentful customers and a divisive atmosphere between players.. As we're seeing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratajack Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 It always baffles me how people argue so strongly against giving people content and reward incentives for playing the game. All extreme exclusivity does is alienate new and unfortunate people, while giving others a false sense of superiority. That makes for both resentful customers and a divisive atmosphere between players.. As we're seeing now. /sarcasm on You're right. It's all the fault of those big, bad, mean bullies who actually met the criteria to receive those rewards. Those who KNOW that they did NOT meet those criteria and that they are not entitled to have that reward, but feel that they should have it anyway are just victims of those big, bad, mean bullies. The fact that many CHOSE not to do what was necessary to meet the criteria has nothing to do with it, right? /sarcasm off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 If this is where the XP boost armor came from, I would like to see players get a chance to earn that set again. I love having one, and would like to see other players benefit from it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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