bluehufsa Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Always wondered why can we redeem Arcann but not Revan, and please don't yell SPOILERS !!!, because there's at least one other thread in this section that contains spoilers, talking about the one about Torian/Vette choice. Let's see..on topic now. Revan does the foloowing ( or maybe not?) : - makes you fight him on THe Foundry - makes you fight his adepts on Rishi - tortures Theron Shan - makes you fight him on Yavin - releases the Emperor - well thats a tricky one, since the Emperor states that he was on Zakuul enough time to have children and watch them grow up Arcann does the following: - keeps you frozen in carbonite five years - hunts you down like an animal on various ocasions - makes you fight him on Asylum then flees - destroys HK-55 , the reconstructed HK has no memories of you at all - manipulates and kills Heskal So, in your opinion, which one is the bad guy? Which one deserves to be redeemed? I honestly pick Revan, even if i don't side with the Republic and i never will. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Foundry is a bad example for Revan since it's the Empire that fights him, and they're the bad guys. Also SOR Revan isn't really himself to be fair. As for Arcann, lets not forget the 5 planets he glassed just to try and draw out the Outlander. So ya, Arcann is WAY worse than Revan. I don't think Revan did anything that bad even as Darth Revan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithKoriandr Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Revan didn't do anything as bad as Arcann, but he wanted to. That whole, wipe out 98% of the Empire, for having sith dna. Of course, Revan at least was taking on the evil Empire. Arcann was destroying innocents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandelynRain Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Wiping out everyone with "sith" DNA would murder children and other innocents plus any who have defected to the republic, mass genocide. He just happened to be stopped before he carried out his plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I'd also suggest that the end of the Yavin story does indeed show Revan being redeemed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Both are bad. One is a lunatic with daddy issues at the helm of a powerful empire whose redemption is only achieved through Voss shenanigans. The other is a genocidal lunatic with a messia complex who has been acting like he's the only one who can do anything about it since the mandalorian wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehufsa Posted April 15, 2017 Author Share Posted April 15, 2017 I'd also suggest that the end of the Yavin story does indeed show Revan being redeemed. Yes in a way you redeem Revan, but is different from Arcann's story, where you get to recruit the dude. A sort of "keep your friends close and enemies even closer" kind of thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gelious Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Seriously? Seriously? Is this what we came to? Someone actually compares Revan and Arcann? I can't even.... Leave Revan alone. He was perfectly fine until the book and then SWTOR ruined him. Edited April 15, 2017 by Gelious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithKoriandr Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Wiping out everyone with "sith" DNA would murder children and other innocents plus any who have defected to the republic, mass genocide. He just happened to be stopped before he carried out his plan. Yes bad, but Arcann wasn't doing much better. Revan was also trying to stop the great evil. Arcann was trying to be the greatest evil...his daddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCobalt Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 I'd think that would depend on which *Phase Reven is in. He was quite Conflicted between Dark and Light noticing the benefits and downsides of both. Arcann did have the Eternal Fleet and hordes of soldiers at his command But Reven himself is incredibly gifted (and Dangerous) in the Force. If Arcann's lost all those tools and Keeps on about how he must repay for all his evil then he's now just a normal force user. However, Reven is unstable and could swing Dark or Light at seemingly any time. I think Reven is the greater threat; he doesn't need tools, much more gifted in the force and unpredictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celise Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 At this point Revan is Thexan and later the "outlander" and Malak is Arcann and later on Vaylin. it mostly mirrors each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcaleb Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 In fairness to Revan, he only did that stuff after centuries of torture. I am pretty sure it is literally impossible for a human to comprehend exactly how much that kind of thing would suck. Arcann had it bad to but only on a level that someone might be able to comprehend in real life. But in terms of damage attempted to cause? Revan wins by a land slide. He tried to commit interstellar genocide, that makes Arcann's 'mere' five planets pale in comparison despite the fact its worse then anything real evils have ever committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefla Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) I was just disappointed that I couldn't painfully kill "Revan" that boring, generic, angsty, Focus Test Guy is NOT the Revan I played and him like finding peace and fading into the force was not satisfying at all. Edited May 17, 2017 by Nefla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakRoanin Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Seriously? Seriously? Is this what we came to? Someone actually compares Revan and Arcann? I can't even.... Leave Revan alone. He was perfectly fine until the book and then SWTOR ruined him. Or HER!😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopicus Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Seriously? Seriously? Is this what we came to? Someone actually compares Revan and Arcann? I can't even.... Leave Revan alone. He was perfectly fine until the book and then SWTOR ruined him. Yeah, you know, gotta agree with this. And don't get me started on the missed opportunity with Meetra Surik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakRoanin Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 I get a little peeved (OK A LOT) because the Revanites on DK say Regan's gender is ambiguous! They just threw us original Kotorians under the bus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefla Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I get a little peeved (OK A LOT) because the Revanites on DK say Regan's gender is ambiguous! They just threw us original Kotorians under the bus! What do you mean? I liked that original part on DK, I was like "oh, they're respecting the characters we played in KotOR by keeping it vague and not throwing in the stupid default from the spinoff book/comic" sucks that it was just a tease and they did toss in that crappy impostor after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakRoanin Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 You answered your own question my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdharaKyleth Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Yeah, it's really a shame how Meetra Surik was treated. It's almost like Bioware is saying since we didn't make it, it happened, but no one really remembers or cares. (Apathy is death) Sorry to get off topic, Revan was kept in a cage for 300 years, so his sanity is in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakRoanin Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 What about people who played male Exile. Like I said all of us original Kotorians under the bus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdharaKyleth Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 What about people who played male Exile. Like I said all of us original Kotorians under the bus! Yeah! Also did you know that the default for Revan in KOTOR 2 is female? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakRoanin Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Are u kidding? I memorized both games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediAkemi Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) Yeah! Also did you know that the default for Revan in KOTOR 2 is female? At least that's what Atton thinks I always played Revan as female. None of the male Revans ever looked right enough for me to play them. I played male and female Exiles... much prefer female though. The "pronoun game" got a bit interesting when describing what Revan, Kreia, and the Exile had been up to "Wait, which 'she' did I mean that time?" Edited May 18, 2017 by JediAkemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoopicus Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I played Revan both genders but preferred male. Meetra - always female. Revan just makes more sense to me as male in 1. Plus, the Bastila story arc is a lot more poignant if she is a LI, and that's clearly the canon choice. Meetra - there is no canonical reason she had to be female. But for some reason her bond with Kreia just felt more "right" to me that way. Kind of an Aunt/Niece thing. Shaddap, pervs, you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshlaBoga Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Yeah! Also did you know that the default for Revan in KOTOR 2 is female? I think that was Atton pretending to not know anything about the Sith and Jedi, he was playing dumb. He also implies that the Female Revan became a Sith Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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