2017 Road Map

[DarthSpuds]

No story for an ENTIRE year? What's the point in story folk hanging around for nothing?

 

I'm primarily a Story player.

 

But, let's be honest here, PvP and Group players have had next to nothing for 2+ years.

 

If it is anyone's turn to have a bit of a content drought it surely must now be the turn of us Story players.

 

All The Best

[DarthSpuds]

The players who stay subscribed year-long are the MMO/group players,

 

Disagree entirely.

 

I'm a Story player, been subbed (for 1 more day) for the last 9 months solid.

 

People stay subbed when they are happy that they are getting a decent return on that investment, and it simply doesn't matter what their chosen play style is, as long as they are happy they stay.

 

24 hours after that last story centric content (KotET) was released I unsubbed. Because I thought the story of KotET was no better than the last half of KotFE (and some of that was so laughable it was cringe worthy) and because of the Galactic Command RNG grind-fest.

 

Even if they were releasing 2 new chapters a month for the whole of the next year I wouldn't be subbed as long as the quality of the story, and the RNG grind fest, is as bad as it currently is.

 

All The Best

[Newyankalt]

We don't know for sure, there'll be a livestream in January with more details.

 

Here's what you can expect, based on what we know:

• January: Master mode for the KotFE/KotET chapters, and five new Uprisings in Story/Veteran mode
  
• February: Master mode for all Uprisings
  
• Summer: Some 4-8 player PvE group content
  
• December (shortly before Episode 8): next expansion with another ~9 story chapters
  

I don't think there will be much in the way of PvP since they just got a new warzone and arena map last year but we'll know more in January.

 

New chapters not coming until December is not confirmed.

 

 

They just said they would be releasing story in packages now rather then monthly chapters. Chapter 1-9 of KOTFE came in October 2015, the last chapter of KOTFE came in July but got pushed back to August. We will likely see more story content in the summer for KOTET. And then more story content in December/ early 2018

Edited December 21, 2016 by Newyankalt

[Newyankalt]

And 4-8 player group content not coming until the summer is a stretch too... Charles said they where aiming for something big in March/ April. Which is spring.

[TheGreatHambino]

New chapters not coming until December is not confirmed.

 

 

They just said they would be releasing story in packages now rather then monthly chapters. Chapter 1-9 of KOTFE came in October 2015, the last chapter of KOTFE came in July but got pushed back to August. We will likely see more story content in the summer for KOTET. And then more story content in December/ early 2018

Say it with as much certainty as you want, but you're still just guessing. Nobody really knows anything about the upcoming releases, and since BW seems to view communication with the community the way I view prostate exams, we probably aren't going to know anything until the last minute.

[Newyankalt]

Say it with as much certainty as you want, but you're still just guessing. Nobody really knows anything about the upcoming releases, and since BW seems to view communication with the community the way I view prostate exams, we probably aren't going to know anything until the last minute.

 

Well it's going to be before December.

[FerkWork]

http://dulfy.net/2016/11/23/swtor-kotet-qa-and-wrap-up-livestream-coverage/]

 

"No more story until the next expansion after KOTET once you finish the 9 chapters." - Notes from Livestream

 

So no more story until next expac so take your pick when that will be.

[JennyFlynn]

http://dulfy.net/2016/11/23/swtor-kotet-qa-and-wrap-up-livestream-coverage/]

 

"No more story until the next expansion after KOTET once you finish the 9 chapters." - Notes from Livestream

 

So no more story until next expac so take your pick when that will be.

 

Yeah that's what I thought to remember as well, which is why others claiming they said we'd get more over the summer or whichever has me a little puzzled. Perhaps they changed their minds in a more recent stream but I don't recall hearing that mentioned.

 

As a Story player I may drop my sub again along the way because paying about 150 bucks to remain subscribed until Nov/Dec 2017 while there's no new content (for me at least) is a bit much.

[RuthSimpson]

http://dulfy.net/2016/11/23/swtor-kotet-qa-and-wrap-up-livestream-coverage/]

 

"No more story until the next expansion after KOTET once you finish the 9 chapters." - Notes from Livestream

 

So no more story until next expac so take your pick when that will be.

 

Actually, they said no more chapters til next expansion. I know cus I was the one that asked the question. They also haven't said when the next expansion will be and since they said they are giving out story in bundles they might not do a whole year between the bundle drops. I think it would be very weird to go from monthly chapter through the year to nothing at all. Even SOR had story drops with the prequel and ziost additions (even if they are technically small).

[LudhaninRolgge]

If all that's happening all year is group content, us solo players / story players are pretty screwed.

 

Last time I checked, SWTOR was still an MMO and MMOs are kinda primarily centered around group content. Story players just got 2 freaking expansions all for them while PVPers had 1 map and 1 arena for 3 years and raiders had nothing for 2 years. Story players have story every expansion where PVPers/raiders aren't even sure to have some.Be happy you had that much story.

 

[Edit Add] The whole idea of story mode - was supposed to be for the story players too. You know, so they could play through group content for the story. Now even story mode isn't soloable any more. Uprising's story mode requires a group. Veteran level chapters - are impossible to do on dps characters, which most of mine are. Story mode chapters gives crap all CXP so, other then when I feel like repeating the story for story purposes even they aren't worth doing.

 

I solo story mode uprisings and I did all veteran chapters as an Infiltration Shadow. Not that impossible.

[FerkWork]

Actually, they said no more chapters til next expansion. I know cus I was the one that asked the question. They also haven't said when the next expansion will be and since they said they are giving out story in bundles they might not do a whole year between the bundle drops. I think it would be very weird to go from monthly chapter through the year to nothing at all. Even SOR had story drops with the prequel and ziost additions (even if they are technically small).

 

Well considering Solo Story content since 4.0 has been delivered via Chapters since 4.0 they could add story through other means I guess but I doubt it. As for weird these are the same people who went from new Ops every expac to zero in last 2 expacs so no new story as in solo story till next year expac isn't out of the realm of possibility. We might get a SoR Forged Alliance style story via FPs again who knows lol. Then Again we have the RNG Thrill of the Hunt to keep us busy /(Kappa)

Edited December 21, 2016 by FerkWork

[americanaussie]

Agreed. Better be more story before December! That's insane. Won't be staying subbed much longer if that's the case.

 

Yeah same . Not gonna play rng until Dec. I'll resub before the story stuff.

[Neshira]

If all that's happening all year is group content, us solo players / story players are pretty screwed.

 

That's true but imagine how the pvp/ops players have been feeling. It's been a really long time since they got any content. I'm a solo/story gamer but I feel really bad for those people.

[americanaussie]

Eh no, they haven't even started developing the group content. There's no way it will be ready by March, even if they skip PTS for it. You probably confuse it with the Master Mode for the existing content.

 

Actually they said that they are releasing group content in jan Feb and March. Next livestream in Jan they said that they will announce what that group content will be. So far 5 uprisings coming in Jan. So they did say that. Watch last livestream.

[americanaussie]

That's true but imagine how the pvp/ops players have been feeling. It's been a really long time since they got any content. I'm a solo/story gamer but I feel really bad for those people.

 

I do too.

[Neshira]

I do too.

I wish they were better at releasing content for everyone at once. I only care about the story myself but the game would be more successful if everyone got something to do. I will never understand anyone who played a BIOWARE game and doesn't care about the story but some people like both.

[Toraak]

No story for an ENTIRE year? What's the point in story folk hanging around for nothing?

 

So I ask this. Other MMO's are story based, WoW has one hell of a story in it the last expansion, and yet they make content for everyone for each expansion. So when does a Story driven MMO, stop being an MMO? The answer is when the have content for all group content come out so slowly a snail could bypass it on the way by. Story is nice and a unique addition compared to the old sandbox MMO MMO, however, without the Operations, Flashpoints, Ground (and space PvP), this game is just another RPG that you pay more $ then any other RPG on the market, since you have to pay $15 a month for (cheaper if you get multi month subs).

[TUXs]

I wish they were better at releasing content for everyone at once. I only care about the story myself but the game would be more successful if everyone got something to do. I will never understand anyone who played a BIOWARE game and doesn't care about the story but some people like both.

What don't you understand exactly? Some people like MMOs. Bioware was hired to build an MMO. I didn't play this game because it was a Bioware game, I played it because it was a Star Wars MMO. What don't you get about that? Hell, they even created a "Bioware" office for this game...it's not like this was a Bioware Canada game.

[Galahard]

I am a story/solo player, but I would have gladly changed KotFE and KotET for some normal MMO content, they could have saved themselves the trouble, wait two more years and release class stories again.

At least the game would be alive as an MMO (and I don't really care about MMO content, tbh), which could finance some GOOD story content, like class stories, later on.

In this instance, it's a non-MMO, bad story driven online game.

[Toraak]

I am a story/solo player, but I would have gladly changed KotFE and KotET for some normal MMO content, they could have saved themselves the trouble, wait two more years and release class stories again.

At least the game would be alive as an MMO (and I don't really care about MMO content, tbh), which could finance some GOOD story content, like class stories, later on.

In this instance, it's a non-MMO, bad story driven online game.

 

Nicely said.

[Galahard]

What don't you understand exactly? Some people like MMOs. Bioware was hired to build an MMO. I didn't play this game because it was a Bioware game, I played it because it was a Star Wars MMO. What don't you get about that? Hell, they even created a "Bioware" office for this game...it's not like this was a Bioware Canada game.

Because they wanted Wow's warchest, just forgot that, then they will get their players too, who spacebar through story and look for as much MMO content in a new game as in a (at the time) 7 year old veteran (Wow).

Edited December 21, 2016 by Galahard

[Jamtas]

Welcome to the BW dev strategy story people. "It was your turn last year, now we focus on only this type of content for the next year". I hope those that didn't join the cause for developing towards all types of content arguement now join up the cause. It isn't enough to only be angry when your style is being ignored.

We need them to cater to each pillar, not just one at a time.

[RuthSimpson]

I am a story/solo player, but I would have gladly changed KotFE and KotET for some normal MMO content, they could have saved themselves the trouble, wait two more years and release class stories again.

At least the game would be alive as an MMO (and I don't really care about MMO content, tbh), which could finance some GOOD story content, like class stories, later on.

In this instance, it's a non-MMO, bad story driven online game.

 

One: we are never getting class story again. It costs way too much for very little return they would get.

Two: if they don't release story for two years this MMO would die. High-quality storytelling is the only thing this game has that differentiates it from other games and story has ALWAYS been the primary focus. You could focus two years on OPs and it wouldn't matter because Bioware can produce decent Ops but can't compete with other MMOs like WOW which have always had that as their focus. The same applies to PVP.

 

People who are raiders and pvpers already have MMOs on the market that cater to them well. SWTOR just can't compete with that as that is not what they specialise in. I'm not saying that they don't need PVE and PVP content, just that the traditional type of content isn't necessary going to work well in this MMO nor can it take away from story. And personally, I LOVED the story in KOTET!

[Jamtas]

I am a story/solo player, but I would have gladly changed KotFE and KotET for some normal MMO content, they could have saved themselves the trouble, wait two more years and release class stories again.

At least the game would be alive as an MMO (and I don't really care about MMO content, tbh), which could finance some GOOD story content, like class stories, later on.

In this instance, it's a non-MMO, bad story driven online game.

 

Therein lies their problem. Poor quailty on the MMO anf Story front. Sure it's good story for an MMO, but not in the story game genre world. And since they ignored the MMO aspect to focus on the story, that part fell by the wayside. Now we are left with the "jack of all trades master of none" label which is hard to rally behind for any of those groups.

Star Wars IP is what is keeping a lot of people here. But to paraphrase Patty Smyth and Don Henley, "Sometimes Star Wars just ain't enough"

[Jamtas]

One: we are never getting class story again. It costs way too much for very little return they would get.

Two: if they don't release story for two years this MMO would die. High-quality storytelling is the only thing this game has that differentiates it from other games and story has ALWAYS been the primary focus. You could focus two years on OPs and it wouldn't matter because Bioware can produce decent Ops but can't compete with other MMOs like WOW which have always had that as their focus. The same applies to PVP.

 

People who are raiders and pvpers already have MMOs on the market that cater to them well. SWTOR just can't compete with that as that is not what they specialise in. I'm not saying that they don't need PVE and PVP content, just that the traditional type of content isn't necessary going to work well in this MMO nor can it take away from story. And personally, I LOVED the story in KOTET!

 

But here's the deal. You won't keep a subscription based game built of an MMO with that direction.

And the name Star Wars is what keeps this going. If your call for lack of riads and pvp is becasue there are others that do those better, there are other games that do story better. This is one story for 8 different classes. Only in 2 (maybe four if you count all force classes) does this story feel like it fits. It felt very forced for non force users.

 

What this game has that nothing else does is Star Wars. People who like raids and pvp will settle for a game that doesn't do them as well as other titles if they get to do it in a star wars setting. I know because myself and many of my in game friends are those types of people. You're proving that with your story love.