CurzedMouse Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I remembered i have read something about combat in this game, posted from a developer so i made a quick search and found this: http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20110916 if you don't whant to read all the article i will just share a statement made by Mark How the Principal Lead Animator at BioWare : " A key aspect we learned early in development was that players do not enjoy having character control taken away from them because of an action or animation. " So Bioware you are still developing the promised combat style? because the players are not enjoying it right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Good is what you like, and bad is what you don't like. We get it. Tell that to them. They seem to think they can dictate. Edited December 28, 2011 by Gohlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrmexaw Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I remembered i have read something about combat in this game, posted from a developer so i made a quick search and found this: http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20110916 if you don't whant to read all the article i will just share a statement made by Mark How the Principal Lead Animator at BioWare : " A key aspect we learned early in development was that players do not enjoy having character control taken away from them because of an action or animation. " So Bioware you are still developing the promised combat style? because the players are not enjoying it right now It is still enjoyable just that people would like to have some kind of move from bioware saying they will fix it soon ...because if people end their free month and this isn't fixed it will be warhammer online all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zironic Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) And Halo is the best FPS blah blah blah. Popular != good. Without being popular, you can't have actual competitive PvP as there's just not enough people playing for tournaments to be sponsored, it's that simple. However more importantly, you can't have competitive PvP if your character doesn't even do what you tell it to do until 0.5 seconds later. The entire game becomes this messed up session of Rock Paper Scissors where you'll have to pick your next move blindly and just pray you picked the right one, it's not like you'll be allowed to react. Edited December 28, 2011 by Zironic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirodex Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 And Halo is the best FPS blah blah blah. Popular != good. It isn't an issue of popularity, it's about how viable the combat system is in competitive play. At the moment..not very. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contumelious Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Posting in thread to rate it. Let's make this one hit the cap too, and make sure Bioware has to stumble upon it over and over again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmanfx Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Fix please, k? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It isn't an issue of popularity, it's about how viable the combat system is in competitive play. At the moment..not very. And you think WoW's was? Yikes. Well you're entitled to your opinion I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siem Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Clearly it is. WoW was designed for the lowest common denominator remember. I hope they don't do that here. WoW was designed for the lowest common denominator yet is enjoyed by the highest as well. Smooth combat and responsiveness has universal appeal, regardless of level of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 WoW was designed for the lowest common denominator yet is enjoyed by the highest as well. Smooth combat and responsiveness has universal appeal, regardless of level of ability. It's not responsive, it just tricked you into thinking it is. You guys really don't get it at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarsX Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I'm guessing the reason they would have a lot of trouble fixing this is that the animations that connect (light saber to blaster bolt, saber to saber, etc.) are based on a script initiated by the opening move. Once the ability is selected both the character and the opponent ( either npc or player ) are forced into a script that displays the animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirodex Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 And you think WoW's was? Yikes. Well you're entitled to your opinion I suppose. In terms of MMOs, yes. No other release made it to MLG or a similarly prestigious event. Random WoW bashing is dumb, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethality Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Clearly it is. WoW was designed for the lowest common denominator remember. I hope they don't do that here. If that's what you want, hey cool. Some don't. And Halo is the best FPS blah blah blah. Popular != good. Are you sure you're not Brad McQuaid in disguise? Popularity in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying game is inherently a good thing. It helps the game become better through not only more resources, but more people to make the game world more alive. Gameplay is a big part of keeping those players around for a longer time than other things, so it has to be right. That's what this thread is about... don't dismiss it because you don't think it's important to other players. The WoW subscription numbers don't lie and it's not because it had terrible combat... As the OP said, BioWare has come closer to that feel than any other game. With a few tweaks, if they're possible, it can be the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) In terms of MMOs, yes. No other release made it to MLG or a similarly prestigious event. Random WoW bashing is dumb, sorry. WoW's PvP was really, really bad. If you think otherwise, well, everyone has an opinion lol. Ever try a game with good PvP? I love WoW but the PvP is a joke, always has been. Anyone not enamored with WoW knows this... We actually have someone saying let's try to emulate WoW's PvP....I think it's time to exit the thread. Things are getting ridiculous. Edited December 28, 2011 by Gohlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zironic Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's not responsive, it just tricked you into thinking it is. You guys really don't get it at all... What part of effects taking place 0.1s after i click the button rather then 0.5 is 'trickery'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni_Prime Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 back on subject please fix the delay in COMBAT! this will force people to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siem Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 It's not responsive, it just tricked you into thinking it is. You guys really don't get it at all... So give me an MMO that did it better. Instead of saying NO NO NO NO, look at what we've been saying over this entire thread. I don't know what your agenda is. Mine is to try to make this game better. We don't want to go back to playing WoW, we want SW:TOR to get better. You're just shooting down everything anyone says with no constructive opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackweb Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Still I would rather have a delay and keep the animations, they really do make combat alot more fun to engage in. In wow I would quickly get bored with farming mobs cuz it didn't look appealing at all when killing them. In TOR you can actually sense that your smashing through stuff with a combination of sound, animation and effects. Sure I would love if there was no delay and no I haven't done more than 2-3 bg's so far, I'm sure it would irritate me more if I had pvped more. But honestly even in pvp everyone is at least in the same boat, it's not like anyone gets an advantage over others. Only way I see a solution is getting used to it or find something magical that could remove the delay WITHOUT removing the animations. Removing the animations will screw the entire combat system up completely tbh. Ye it's a tough issue :S Edited December 28, 2011 by Blackweb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongzi Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 "WoW was designed for the lowest common denominator" I've seen that come up a number of times now. Can anyone elaborate on this? I'm curious how you arrive at that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gun_Slinger Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Why couldn't they just have given the directive to their animation designers: " NO animation may be longer than the GCD, period, unless it is channeled, and in that instance it should NOT be longer than the length of time it takes to channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicmanNC Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 So I took my Sentinel out to check something I mentioned in the other thread. I tossed my lightsaber at an enemy (Crippling Throw) and was unable to perform any attacks until I had caught my lightsaber. I think this is incredibly awesome. If this is the line in the sand (as it were) for some people to go back to WoW, then.....have fun? It'll be great to log into the forums and not see thread after thread that all basically say "We want SWTOR to do <XXXXXXXXX> like WoW!!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohlar Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) "WoW was designed for the lowest common denominator" I've seen that come up a number of times now. Can anyone elaborate on this? I'm curious how you arrive at that conclusion. I meant hardware and connection wise, sorry. Should have clarified. WoW is made to be played by people with slow computers and bad connections. I personally think that design philosophy is outdated. I like the more dynamic combat in SWTOR. It looks so much better. Edited December 28, 2011 by Gohlar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirodex Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Anyone not enamored with WoW knows this... Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kongzi Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Only way I see a solution is getting used to it or find something magical that could remove the delay WITHOUT removing the animations. Removing the animations will screw the entire combat system up completely tbh. Ye it's a tough issue :S It would be a start if they'd modify all animations that are too long or too short now so that the animation's duration matches up with the GCD or the ability's cast time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zironic Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Sure I would love if there was no delay and no I haven't done more than 2-3 bg's so far, I'm sure it would irritate me more if I had pvped more. But honestly even in pvp everyone is at least in the same boat, it's not like anyone gets an advantage over others. That's just plain false. 1) The different classes have different lengths on their animations and thus different delay 2) Even the mirror classes have different lengths on the animation of the same bloody ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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