Wolfninjajedi Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Brute doesn't mean he isn't very dangerous, it just implies his fighting style and lack of intellect. Except his fighting style is hardly lacking if he's able to combat some of the best of the Jedi Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 This is true, if he has to pass through the cornucopia to get to them, grabbing a couple vibroblades would be very smart. And Fisto is very skilled in utilizing Jar'Kai and Shii-Cho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 OK, so I don't think there is much left to discuss here. Make some final points if you wish and then we'll move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 OK, so I don't think there is much left to discuss here. Make some final points if you wish and then we'll move on. You must know what I want to post now, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Except his fighting style is hardly lacking if he's able to combat some of the best of the Jedi Order. again, not implying his lack of fighting prowess, it implies how he fights. Think bar bouncer. Not known for their intellectual capacity, but very few people would want to face off vs one. Of course, someone trained, and intelligent wouldn't find a bar bouncer that dangerous. So think of Savage as a highly trained bar bouncer. Dangerous, but stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) OK, so I don't think there is much left to discuss here. Make some final points if you wish and then we'll move on. You haven't really given people all that much time... That said... None of the Kit Fisto arguments really matter right now. At the very minimum, he would be introduced after the 30 seconds, but what we are discussing right now, he simply isn't a variable. As for the time frame itself, they could very well kill at least Ahsoka in such a time: In exactly 60 seconds, Savage Opress managed to defeat a agile Jedi Master, Adi Galla, who was indeed armed. Heck, we even see just how useless most strikes, even to weak points, are unless they are done repeatedly, as Obi-wan does later in that fight. In comparison: Ahsoka Tano: - Padawan - Unarmed - H2H skill? That said, I am no expert on Adi Galla, so feel free for others to correct me on that part. Edited February 5, 2016 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Ahsoka Tano: - Padawan - Unarmed - H2H skill? That said, I am no expert on Adi Galla, so feel free for others to correct me on that part. Things to keep in mind for her: - Padawan to Anakin Skywalker. Makes a difference - H2H skill is considerable. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ahsoka_Tano#Other_abilities She may not be much of a threat but I think she could survive fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well if people want to keep discussing this that's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well if people want to keep discussing this that's cool. Pretty sure we're starting to run in circles with this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Pretty sure we're starting to run in circles with this one I agree, we all think Kenobi and Tano won't beat the brothers, all we're arguing is how beat up they're going to be. For Kenobi we can assume he'd be OK as he's tanked blows from Grievous, as for Tano, I think she'd have a broken arm but nothing life threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) OK, I've also added an extra mechanic to the game so that it operates more effectively: 2nd Encounter Phase: This phase can occur during the Survival Phase if it is determined that an outside variable e.g. the intervention of an ally, might effect the outcome. The likelihood of this intervention being debated to increase or decrease the odds of such an encounter. If the encounter occurs, the scenario will be updated accordingly. So essentially in this situation, I'd ask that we debate the likelihood of Fisto intervening to save Kenobi and Ahsoka, the likelihood of him acquiring a weapon etc. Things like his senses, ability to manevure the battlefield, evade potential obstacles etc. should be considered, as well as things that could potentially slow him down, or stop him altogether. Edited February 5, 2016 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 OK, I've also added an extra mechanic to the game so that it operates more effectively: 2nd Encounter Phase: This phase can occur during the Survival Phase if it is determined that an outside variable e.g. the intervention of an ally, might effect the outcome. The likelihood of this intervention being debated to increase or decrease the odds of such an encounter. If the encounter occurs, the scenario will be updated accordingly. So essentially in this situation, I'd ask that we debate the likelihood of Fisto intervening to save Kenobi and Ahsoka, the likelihood of him acquiring a weapon etc. Things like his senses, ability to manevure the battlefield, evade potential obstacles etc. should be considered, as well as things that could potentially slow him down, or stop him altogether. Eh... The issue with this is the non-visual representation, not knowing who started where, and who he may encounter on his way to aid them. Or if he even notices that they need help to begin with. I mean... In 'The Hunger Games' the Cornucopia is not exactly... a calm and calculated phase. That said... Who else other than the 5 mentioned thus far, may have gotten weapons and may have noticed the conflict? Who of those might want to participate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 If Fisto started within 90 degrees of Kenobi/Tano: High chance of intervention, low chance of weapon else: Moderate chance of late intervention, high chance of weapon(s) acquired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) I'm not asking you to calculate precise possibilities, only debate what might aid or hinder him outside of pure chance. As for the intervention of others, its possible but I can't think of any takers. Edited February 5, 2016 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 OK, I've also added an extra mechanic to the game so that it operates more effectively: 2nd Encounter Phase: This phase can occur during the Survival Phase if it is determined that an outside variable e.g. the intervention of an ally, might effect the outcome. The likelihood of this intervention being debated to increase or decrease the odds of such an encounter. If the encounter occurs, the scenario will be updated accordingly. So essentially in this situation, I'd ask that we debate the likelihood of Fisto intervening to save Kenobi and Ahsoka, the likelihood of him acquiring a weapon etc. Things like his senses, ability to manevure the battlefield, evade potential obstacles etc. should be considered, as well as things that could potentially slow him down, or stop him altogether. I like it. I have little doubt that Fisto will help Kenobi and Ahsoka, he's worked with both before and knows how skilled Kenobi is, though this all depends where Fisto starts from because depending on that he may not reach them or even know of their battle. As far as him collecting a weapon goes, I think he would have collected at least one weapon, if not two for the added benefit. Fisto does have an excellent sense of smell, so that could help him locate and avoid battles. In addition he is also one of the fastest and most agile of combatants here, only matched by a couple of the others, so he shouldn't have any problems going across terrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) I like it. I have little doubt that Fisto will help Kenobi and Ahsoka, he's worked with both before and knows how skilled Kenobi is, though this all depends where Fisto starts from because depending on that he may not reach them or even know of their battle. As far as him collecting a weapon goes, I think he would have collected at least one weapon, if not two for the added benefit. Fisto does have an excellent sense of smell, so that could help him locate and avoid battles. In addition he is also one of the fastest and most agile of combatants here, only matched by a couple of the others, so he shouldn't have any problems going across terrain. Interesting thoughts, I'd also add that half of said combatants who can keep up with him are busy fighting. Edited February 5, 2016 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Interesting thoughts, I'd also add that half of said combatants who can keep up with him are busy fighting. If only Fisto were the opportunistic type... *sigh* But he's not and that's why he's my Senpai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) If only Fisto were the opportunistic type... *sigh* But he's not and that's why he's my Senpai. Opportunist: A person who practices opportunism, or the policy of adapting actions, decisions, etc., to effectiveness regardless of the sacrifice of ethical principles. Opportunism: the policy or practice, as in politics, business, or one's personal affairs, of adapting actions, decisions, etc., to expediency or effectiveness regardless of the sacrifice of ethical principles. He... seems like he does so to me. Side Note: Not the morally lacking part, but then... He knows that there can only be one and that Kenobi needs his help. Edited February 5, 2016 by Silenceo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Opportunist: A person who practices opportunism, or the policy of adapting actions, decisions, etc., to effectiveness regardless of the sacrifice of ethical principles. Opportunism: the policy or practice, as in politics, business, or one's personal affairs, of adapting actions, decisions, etc., to expediency or effectiveness regardless of the sacrifice of ethical principles. He... seems like he does so to me. Side Note: Not the morally lacking part, but then... He knows that there can only be one and that Kenobi needs his help. I phrased that badly, I meant more "he isn't the type to be a **** and let his friend die". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Yes he is outclassed, Obi-Wan has done nothing that Maul couldn't replicate or do better and Maul knows far more martial art combat compared to Obi-Wan. Also that 1st quote says that Obi-Wan is trained in 1 form of unarmed fighting and says nothing about mastery in unarmed combat. By age 13 Maul had mastered numerous martial arts. Hahahahahaha *cough* Excuse the blood. I don't think you know what outclassed means. Cute try tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 You haven't really given people all that much time... That said... None of the Kit Fisto arguments really matter right now. At the very minimum, he would be introduced after the 30 seconds, but what we are discussing right now, he simply isn't a variable. As for the time frame itself, they could very well kill at least Ahsoka in such a time: In exactly 60 seconds, Savage Opress managed to defeat a agile Jedi Master, Adi Galla, who was indeed armed. Heck, we even see just how useless most strikes, even to weak points, are unless they are done repeatedly, as Obi-wan does later in that fight. In comparison: Ahsoka Tano: - Padawan - Unarmed - H2H skill? That said, I am no expert on Adi Galla, so feel free for others to correct me on that part. I actually have to agree with Sil on this one.one. Fisto will not make it under 30 seconds 45 seconds is where I see him coming in.Maybe with weapons but if he arrives 60 seconds in then he will more than likely come armed to help the others out.He is the second fastest tribute in the game in my opinion and his arrival will make a big difference. What I disagree with Sil is that he believe that Ahsoka will not be able to survive long enough for Fisto to arrive.Ashoka is stronger than you are letting on SIl and she will be able to stay away from Savage.In that fight the master didn't really know what he was up against and how powerful Savage really was.He gave Kenobi trouble so its more than safe to assume that Kenobi told Ashoki about Savage and his abilities Kenobi still believing he is alive would give Ashoka a warning to be careful.Now the reason why I say she will be able to hold her on long enough to wait for fisto is that she is fast enough and more than capable to keep her distance from Savage to stay alive.She will not fight she knows she can't win the only thing she can do is run and keep him off balanced.Which I believe she can do easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I actually have to agree with Sil on this one.one. Fisto will not make it under 30 seconds 45 seconds is where I see him coming in.Maybe with weapons but if he arrives 60 seconds in then he will more than likely come armed to help the others out.He is the second fastest tribute in the game in my opinion and his arrival will make a big difference. What I disagree with Sil is that he believe that Ahsoka will not be able to survive long enough for Fisto to arrive.Ashoka is stronger than you are letting on SIl and she will be able to stay away from Savage.In that fight the master didn't really know what he was up against and how powerful Savage really was.He gave Kenobi trouble so its more than safe to assume that Kenobi told Ashoki about Savage and his abilities Kenobi still believing he is alive would give Ashoka a warning to be careful.Now the reason why I say she will be able to hold her on long enough to wait for fisto is that she is fast enough and more than capable to keep her distance from Savage to stay alive.She will not fight she knows she can't win the only thing she can do is run and keep him off balanced.Which I believe she can do easy. http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dstfp.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/dstfp.gif Yea meant to post this earlier but been working on possible counters for you Fisto arguments if you every post your opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadsterPwns Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Yea meant to post this earlier but been working on possible counters for you Fisto arguments if you every post your opening. It will be posted soon, I'm trying to do the green bad@** justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarons Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 It will be posted soon, I'm trying to do the green bad@** justice. Yea Yea Yea Yea you always say that your worst than me.Its fine I'll help you with this,am going to tell you who am routing for later but for right now Fisto need to shine. Side note: Imagine if Plo Koon was in this as well Ultimate team up time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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